Why the fascination with Kimmer? - Page 62

cqueen · 07-09-2007, 12:48 PM

What I found on e-bay is different individuals posting in the classifications w/links to go to her site.

Now at least 2 of the listers haven't listed since 2006. One is a power seller. So these are just individuals. They can be reported for link violation. but you would have to keep doing it over and over because e-bay doesn't monitor things. They rely on people to turn other people in.

controlledcarb · 07-09-2007, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by controlledcarb

I have a copy of the TOS as of June 9th, and looking it over, there was no "annoy" or "harass" garbage in it. They may have changed it in the update last night, which if they did and didn't notify members - that's just wrong!

Why the fascination with Kimmer?

Thank you - I appreciate that.

cqueen · 07-09-2007, 12:51 PM

Well, maybe being a classified they can have links. I'm not sure on that policy. I have sold things before but never used a classified ad.........

RunForYourLife · 07-09-2007, 12:51 PM

You guys might not want the ebay links pulled yet, though, as they are sort of "proof" of what was advertised vs. what you feel you've received.

Kathryn

Pleiades · 07-09-2007, 12:55 PM

Craigslist has Kimkins ads too. It used to, anyway. I haven't looked in a while.

cqueen · 07-09-2007, 12:55 PM

But she can claim w/ebay that she was not affiliated with these people since it is different individuals. I don't think you can report the classifieds on e-bay as anything wrong.

cqueen · 07-09-2007, 12:57 PM

Thanks everyone for your help today. I am done with work today. Will catch up with you all later.

HevinMonkey · 07-09-2007, 12:59 PM

I don't understand how Jimmy Moore can say he is on Kimkins and promote it based on his own success when he has said this...

“As for feeling the need to be “on plan,” actually I’m not perfectly on the Kimkins plan. But I use it as a basic template for my diet with a few Jimmyfications that I’ve learned along the way will work for me.
This includes eating sugar-free pickles, mayo for my salmon salad, ChocoPerfection chocolate, low-carb bread, low-carb wraps, sugar-free Jello, cinnamon and Splenda, yogurt–pretty much WHATEVER low-carb foods I want to supplement my diet.
In other words, it’s MY diet since I’ve customized it for ME. I long ago removed the grains, starchy carbs, and sugars from my diet and I’m better because of it.”

I have never done the Kimkins plan, but I guarantee if I had know it looked like this I would have jumped on the bandwagon long ago! I would think it says alot that her must public supporter doesn't even stay on plan. I thought he had a really good reputation among low carbers, so maybe it would be best for him to cut his losses (or gains!) and run before he loses face too.

Tooter · 07-09-2007, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HevinMonkey

I don't understand how Jimmy Moore can say he is on Kimkins and promote it based on his own success when he has said this...

“As for feeling the need to be “on plan,” actually I’m not perfectly on the Kimkins plan. But I use it as a basic template for my diet with a few Jimmyfications that I’ve learned along the way will work for me.
This includes eating sugar-free pickles, mayo for my salmon salad, ChocoPerfection chocolate, low-carb bread, low-carb wraps, sugar-free Jello, cinnamon and Splenda, yogurt–pretty much WHATEVER low-carb foods I want to supplement my diet.
In other words, it’s MY diet since I’ve customized it for ME. I long ago removed the grains, starchy carbs, and sugars from my diet and I’m better because of it.”

I have never done the Kimkins plan, but I guarantee if I had know it looked like this I would have jumped on the bandwagon long ago! I would think it says alot that her must public supporter doesn't even stay on plan. I thought he had a really good reputation among low carbers, so maybe it would be best for him to cut his losses (or gains!) and run before he loses face too.

Definately. No doubt he lost alot of weight. I think his biggest downfall for gaining some back (I think it was 50lbs) is all the Frankenfoods he eats. He's always talking about the latest New Low Carb/sugar free foods.

You can't eat franken foods all the time and maintain. You just can't do it.
Now, he combines some of kimkins with his franken foods? It's the Jimkins plan now. lol

Hey, I have a great recipe for Mini pecan pies I invented. Do you know how many times I have made it? Twice. 2 times. Why? Because you can't eat that kind of stuff all the time and maintain.

rightnow · 07-09-2007, 01:06 PM

Atkins "costs more"?

I believe my Atkins book cost me 99 cents at a garage sale. But ok, if new, might cost $5 or something in paperback.

Exactly what part of Atkins is supposed to cost more? I've been basically on that plan, have lost a lot of weight, and so far the only expense (aside from food at the grocery, which is the case on ALL plans) is buying clothes in a smaller size.

There must be something I'm missing. Is it referring to the Atkins website forum? I joined that eons ago but it was free.

I don't see any reason to have to join some place with personal email with some expert though. This forum and others have zillions of members who support each other, some very educated and/or with many years experience. These forums are the greatest.

I lost nearly 100lbs in less than 4 months on Atkins. But even if it were slow, isn't that kinda the least important part of losing weight? Doesn't health come into things somewhere? I guess not.

HevinMonkey · 07-09-2007, 01:08 PM

I also find it most interesting that regardless of all the controversy surrounding the probability of fraud and deception his entry today is a Kimkins recipe. I felt sorry for him at first becasue I thought maybe he too has been fooled by someone he respected and believed in, but it looks like he is still choosing to rather publicly support her. It sure seems to appear that this really is coming down to money and everyone's willingness to take advantage of even negative publicity.

CarolinaRocker · 07-09-2007, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HevinMonkey

I don't understand how Jimmy Moore can say he is on Kimkins and promote it based on his own success when he has said this...

“As for feeling the need to be “on plan,” actually I’m not perfectly on the Kimkins plan. But I use it as a basic template for my diet with a few Jimmyfications that I’ve learned along the way will work for me.
This includes eating sugar-free pickles, mayo for my salmon salad, ChocoPerfection chocolate, low-carb bread, low-carb wraps, sugar-free Jello, cinnamon and Splenda, yogurt–pretty much WHATEVER low-carb foods I want to supplement my diet.
In other words, it’s MY diet since I’ve customized it for ME. I long ago removed the grains, starchy carbs, and sugars from my diet and I’m better because of it.”

I have never done the Kimkins plan, but I guarantee if I had know it looked like this I would have jumped on the bandwagon long ago! I would think it says alot that her must public supporter doesn't even stay on plan. I thought he had a really good reputation among low carbers, so maybe it would be best for him to cut his losses (or gains!) and run before he loses face too.

In other words he is following Atkins because he cant stick with low carb, low calorie and low fat for the long term.

Carolina Rose · 07-09-2007, 01:09 PM

FYI, this is the Better Business Bureau office that would handle any claims against Corona, California based weight-loss websites:

BBB of the Southland
(Colton, CA)
315 N. La Cadena
Colton, CA 92324-2927
Phone: (909)825-7280
Fax: (909)825-6246
Email: info@labbb.org
Web: http://www.labbb.org

rightnow · 07-09-2007, 01:10 PM

So really.... he is losing weight on a plan that isn't Kimkins. It has some vague resemblance to it... hard to say what, given that food list. Has resemblance to the LC he was already allegedly eating before that point. I do think I sort of lost the whole point of the big hype for her plan, unless the commission he gets sponsored that. You don't have to 'quit' eating lowcarb to reduce your calories or fat after all!

HevinMonkey · 07-09-2007, 01:11 PM

Tooter - I am glad you said that about the Frankenfoods. I am back to trying to lose a size again and did not really consider things I made from scratch Frankenfoods, but I guess if I use manufactured low carb ingredients to make something it is still a Frankenfood! Thanks for the reality check!

Carolina Rose · 07-09-2007, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HevinMonkey

it looks like he is still choosing to rather publicly support her. It sure seems to appear that this really is coming down to money and everyone's willingness to take advantage of even negative publicity.

Yep, from estimates on another site (and his own admission), Jimmy has at least 15,000 reasons to choose to publicly support her.

DivaHerself · 07-09-2007, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rightnow

Exactly what part of Atkins is supposed to cost more?

Well, for one thing, you'd have to actually buy FOOD.

I know, I know, but there it was and if you leave a straight line out like that, SOMEbody's going to pick it up!!

Tooter · 07-09-2007, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HevinMonkey

I also find it most interesting that regardless of all the controversy surrounding the probability of fraud and deception his entry today is a Kimkins recipe. I felt sorry for him at first becasue I thought maybe he too has been fooled by someone he respected and believed in, but it looks like he is still choosing to rather publicly support her. It sure seems to appear that this really is coming down to money and everyone's willingness to take advantage of even negative publicity.

Don't forget that in his interview with "Kimmer" he had said something like "Don't you look lovely today". Umm...He has admitted that it was an email interview.
He helped to deceive everyone into thinking he had actually MET the woman.

They did the same thing in the WW article (saying that Kim Drake Smiled as she said something). That interview wasn't in person either.

Let's not forget, Kimmer couldn't have gotten this far unless she has ALOT of people helping her in her deception. And they all did for their own reasons.

Greed makes people do nasty, dishonest things.

Tooter · 07-09-2007, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DivaHerself

Well, for one thing, you'd have to actually buy FOOD.

I know, I know, but there it was and if you leave a straight line out like that, SOMEbody's going to pick it up!!

Jake · 07-09-2007, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tooter

Don't forget that in his interview with "Kimmer" he had said something like "Don't you look lovely today". Umm...He has admitted that it was an email interview.
He helped to deceive everyone into thinking he had actually MET the woman.

He says "You look fantastic today" and she thanks him for the compliment....

Tooter · 07-09-2007, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HevinMonkey

Tooter - I am glad you said that about the Frankenfoods. I am back to trying to lose a size again and did not really consider things I made from scratch Frankenfoods, but I guess if I use manufactured low carb ingredients to make something it is still a Frankenfood! Thanks for the reality check!

Yep. I had to learn it the hard way.

HevinMonkey · 07-09-2007, 01:17 PM

Greed makes people do nasty, dishonest things.

I know you are right - much too old too be that naive but what I think is really sad here is that as low carbers we get enough hits from the outside world, and its hard too swallow being intentionally "hurt" by the people we (or at least "I") looked up to and depended upon to be a positive spokesperson for my chosen way of life. Think of all the many people that could SO benefit from a true low-carb WOE and may not based on the negative association this scandal causes! Makes me sad!

(or mad, depends on what smilies are available!)

KarenG · 07-09-2007, 01:18 PM

Another thing that puzzles me....why isn't the Atkins company after her for "borrowing" the Atkins name? It is a rip-off of their name....and now she is selling it. Why aren't they doing anything, do you all think?

rightnow · 07-09-2007, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DivaHerself
Well, for one thing, you'd have to actually buy FOOD.

Oh!

Well, have patience with me. You see, I was misled by the term "eating plan." I thought that somewhere, that would actually involve, well... EATING.

My mistake.

I could live on diet coke and laxatives, but oddly enough, the diet often recommended by her apparently, isn't what's on her website. Frankly that combo sounds a lot like Alli. That explains the price increase for membership. Now it's priced competitively with it.

HevinMonkey · 07-09-2007, 01:21 PM

Maybe they are hoping this will just go away as another fad diet and that the general public won't notice? The Atkins diet has suffered so much negative publicity they probably don't want to be associated with something like this and risk more. JMHO.

Sun_Luvin · 07-09-2007, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tooter

Don't forget that in his interview with "Kimmer" he had said something like "Don't you look lovely today". Umm...He has admitted that it was an email interview.He helped to deceive everyone into thinking he had actually MET the woman.

They did the same thing in the WW article (saying that Kim Drake Smiled as she said something). That interview wasn't in person either.

Let's not forget, Kimmer couldn't have gotten this far unless she has ALOT of people helping her in her deception. And they all did for their own reasons.

Greed makes people do nasty, dishonest things.

I'm not a Kimkins or Jimmy advocate or supporter. I've been reading this thread with great interest, but I needed to pop in here and amend this that keeps getting misquoted.

Here is the quote from Kimkins website:

Quote:

5. By the way, you look absolutely fantastic today and you seem to be so much happier now as well. How has your life changed for the better since your amazing weight loss success?

I took that to mean "today" as currently. Opposed to a year ago, or several hundred pounds ago. I guess it is open for interpretation, but I c

07-09-2007, 12:59 PM	#1838
HevinMonkey Senior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: ~ Heart's in Texas ~ Posts: 473 Gallery: HevinMonkey Stats: SZ 16/SZ 8/SZ 6, 5'8 WOE: Atkins Start Date: Re-Induct and Quit Aspartame March 2008	I don't understand how Jimmy Moore can say he is on Kimkins and promote it based on his own success when he has said this... “As for feeling the need to be “on plan,” actually I’m not perfectly on the Kimkins plan. But I use it as a basic template for my diet with a few Jimmyfications that I’ve learned along the way will work for me. This includes eating sugar-free pickles, mayo for my salmon salad, ChocoPerfection chocolate, low-carb bread, low-carb wraps, sugar-free Jello, cinnamon and Splenda, yogurt–pretty much WHATEVER low-carb foods I want to supplement my diet. In other words, it’s MY diet since I’ve customized it for ME. I long ago removed the grains, starchy carbs, and sugars from my diet and I’m better because of it.” I have never done the Kimkins plan, but I guarantee if I had know it looked like this I would have jumped on the bandwagon long ago! I would think it says alot that her must public supporter doesn't even stay on plan. I thought he had a really good reputation among low carbers, so maybe it would be best for him to cut his losses (or gains!) and run before he loses face too. __________________ Kimber "My Grace is sufficient for you for my power is made perfect in weakness." 2 Corinthians 12:9-10 Be Blessed. Be a Blessing.

07-09-2007, 01:06 PM	#1840
rightnow Senior LCF Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Midwest Posts: 192 Gallery: rightnow Stats: 482/368/350 WOE: My own	Atkins "costs more"? I believe my Atkins book cost me 99 cents at a garage sale. But ok, if new, might cost $5 or something in paperback. Exactly what part of Atkins is supposed to cost more? I've been basically on that plan, have lost a lot of weight, and so far the only expense (aside from food at the grocery, which is the case on ALL plans) is buying clothes in a smaller size. There must be something I'm missing. Is it referring to the Atkins website forum? I joined that eons ago but it was free. I don't see any reason to have to join some place with personal email with some expert though. This forum and others have zillions of members who support each other, some very educated and/or with many years experience. These forums are the greatest. I lost nearly 100lbs in less than 4 months on Atkins. But even if it were slow, isn't that kinda the least important part of losing weight? Doesn't health come into things somewhere? I guess not. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It's not a race to get thin; it's a journey to good health. My blogs: The Divine Low Carb \| Tomboy Tough \| LowCarb Mania!

07-09-2007, 12:48 PM	#1831
cqueen Senior LCF Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: S. Illinois Posts: 500 Gallery: cqueen Stats: 182/169/140 WOE: Low carb Start Date: Do over....feb 25, 2008	What I found on e-bay is different individuals posting in the classifications w/links to go to her site. Now at least 2 of the listers haven't listed since 2006. One is a power seller. So these are just individuals. They can be reported for link violation. but you would have to keep doing it over and over because e-bay doesn't monitor things. They rely on people to turn other people in.

07-09-2007, 12:51 PM	#1833
cqueen Senior LCF Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: S. Illinois Posts: 500 Gallery: cqueen Stats: 182/169/140 WOE: Low carb Start Date: Do over....feb 25, 2008	Well, maybe being a classified they can have links. I'm not sure on that policy. I have sold things before but never used a classified ad.........

07-09-2007, 12:51 PM	#1834
RunForYourLife MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Trinity, FL Posts: 2,331 Gallery: RunForYourLife Stats: 195.6/152/145 5'7.5" 35YO WOE: Atkins Start Date: Original start:2002 Re-inducted at 157 on 01/02/07	You guys might not want the ebay links pulled yet, though, as they are sort of "proof" of what was advertised vs. what you feel you've received. Kathryn

07-09-2007, 12:55 PM	#1835
Pleiades MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: OBX Posts: 1,677 Gallery: Pleiades Stats: 191/143.5/115 (5'2") WOE: BFFM/NROL Start Date: January 1, 2007	Craigslist has Kimkins ads too. It used to, anyway. I haven't looked in a while.

07-09-2007, 12:55 PM	#1836
cqueen Senior LCF Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: S. Illinois Posts: 500 Gallery: cqueen Stats: 182/169/140 WOE: Low carb Start Date: Do over....feb 25, 2008	But she can claim w/ebay that she was not affiliated with these people since it is different individuals. I don't think you can report the classifieds on e-bay as anything wrong.

07-09-2007, 12:57 PM	#1837
cqueen Senior LCF Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: S. Illinois Posts: 500 Gallery: cqueen Stats: 182/169/140 WOE: Low carb Start Date: Do over....feb 25, 2008	Thanks everyone for your help today. I am done with work today. Will catch up with you all later.

07-09-2007, 01:08 PM	#1841
HevinMonkey Senior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: ~ Heart's in Texas ~ Posts: 473 Gallery: HevinMonkey Stats: SZ 16/SZ 8/SZ 6, 5'8 WOE: Atkins Start Date: Re-Induct and Quit Aspartame March 2008	I also find it most interesting that regardless of all the controversy surrounding the probability of fraud and deception his entry today is a Kimkins recipe. I felt sorry for him at first becasue I thought maybe he too has been fooled by someone he respected and believed in, but it looks like he is still choosing to rather publicly support her. It sure seems to appear that this really is coming down to money and everyone's willingness to take advantage of even negative publicity.

07-09-2007, 01:09 PM	#1843
Carolina Rose MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,568 Gallery: Carolina Rose	FYI, this is the Better Business Bureau office that would handle any claims against Corona, California based weight-loss websites: BBB of the Southland (Colton, CA) 315 N. La Cadena Colton, CA 92324-2927 Phone: (909)825-7280 Fax: (909)825-6246 Email: info@labbb.org Web: http://www.labbb.org

07-09-2007, 01:10 PM	#1844
rightnow Senior LCF Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Midwest Posts: 192 Gallery: rightnow Stats: 482/368/350 WOE: My own	So really.... he is losing weight on a plan that isn't Kimkins. It has some vague resemblance to it... hard to say what, given that food list. Has resemblance to the LC he was already allegedly eating before that point. I do think I sort of lost the whole point of the big hype for her plan, unless the commission he gets sponsored that. You don't have to 'quit' eating lowcarb to reduce your calories or fat after all!

07-09-2007, 01:11 PM	#1845
HevinMonkey Senior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: ~ Heart's in Texas ~ Posts: 473 Gallery: HevinMonkey Stats: SZ 16/SZ 8/SZ 6, 5'8 WOE: Atkins Start Date: Re-Induct and Quit Aspartame March 2008	Tooter - I am glad you said that about the Frankenfoods. I am back to trying to lose a size again and did not really consider things I made from scratch Frankenfoods, but I guess if I use manufactured low carb ingredients to make something it is still a Frankenfood! Thanks for the reality check!

07-09-2007, 01:17 PM	#1852
HevinMonkey Senior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: ~ Heart's in Texas ~ Posts: 473 Gallery: HevinMonkey Stats: SZ 16/SZ 8/SZ 6, 5'8 WOE: Atkins Start Date: Re-Induct and Quit Aspartame March 2008	Greed makes people do nasty, dishonest things. I know you are right - much too old too be that naive but what I think is really sad here is that as low carbers we get enough hits from the outside world, and its hard too swallow being intentionally "hurt" by the people we (or at least "I") looked up to and depended upon to be a positive spokesperson for my chosen way of life. Think of all the many people that could SO benefit from a true low-carb WOE and may not based on the negative association this scandal causes! Makes me sad! (or mad, depends on what smilies are available!)

07-09-2007, 01:18 PM	#1853
KarenG Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Maine Posts: 6,939 Gallery: KarenG Stats: EEEK/Getting there/Yay! WOE: Eat Fat, Get Thin, Dr. Groves Start Date: 9/24/07	Another thing that puzzles me....why isn't the Atkins company after her for "borrowing" the Atkins name? It is a rip-off of their name....and now she is selling it. Why aren't they doing anything, do you all think?

07-09-2007, 01:21 PM	#1855
HevinMonkey Senior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: ~ Heart's in Texas ~ Posts: 473 Gallery: HevinMonkey Stats: SZ 16/SZ 8/SZ 6, 5'8 WOE: Atkins Start Date: Re-Induct and Quit Aspartame March 2008	Maybe they are hoping this will just go away as another fad diet and that the general public won't notice? The Atkins diet has suffered so much negative publicity they probably don't want to be associated with something like this and risk more. JMHO.