Why the fascination with Kimmer?

[RockyMtnAngelEyes]

Originally Posted by AllieCat0817

Seriously.. why did Cheryl get a refund, and I think some others too.. but not this member? Is it because Cheryl was an affiliate or something? sigh.

Amy and I were banned and were told we would get a refund, months ago..

Then Cheryl was banned and got her refund...

[mythreechildren2001]

I don't really see how you can be banned and not get a refund. Is that legal?

[AllieCat0817]

Originally Posted by RockyMtnAngelEyes

Amy and I were banned and were told we would get a refund, months ago..

Then Cheryl was banned and got her refund...

Did you actually GET the refund?

[RockyMtnAngelEyes]

Originally Posted by mythreechildren2001

I don't really see how you can be banned and not get a refund. Is that legal?

Sorry if how I put that came out wrong.. We DID get our refunds..

[AllieCat0817]

Good. I thought you said that before, which is why I thought it wouldn't be an issue for other people requesting refunds.

OK the game plan is, get banned, then you can get a refund. Till she reads these latest posts, which she probably has already done, and decided no more refunds.

[mythreechildren2001]

The Kimkins Program is provided in electronic media and as such cannot be returned for refund once purchased and accessed. Members may not harass, annoy, badger, bully or act in an offensive manner to other members or administration. Violators will have their accounts canceled and no refund given.

I guess this answers that, but it won't be the last they hear from me

[RockyMtnAngelEyes]

Originally Posted by AllieCat0817

Did you actually GET the refund?

Yes, sorry.. I guess in my tired mind, I had already posted that pages ago, and doesn't everyone hang onto my every word and remember it?

Seriously, sorry I wasn't clear this time...

[Nigel]

Originally Posted by RockyMtnAngelEyes

As I posted before, that was taken off the site a while back... Even before the WW article...

I just gotta say, you look great for a 96 year old woman!! (love it)

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by RockyMtnAngelEyes

As I posted before, that was taken off the site a while back... Even before the WW article...

HOLD ON. BEFORE the WW article? (Sorry for yelling) lol Ummm... That's still false advertisment. I just went to her site and it says as a Member you would get "Direct access to Kimmer" with being a member.

Holy Cow. Anyone who read the article and went to the site would see that and think that they were getting the personal coaching for membership. They don't find out until AFTER they pay for the site that it's not true. When you ask for a refund, nope?

Talk about Bait and Switch.

[RockyMtnAngelEyes]

Originally Posted by Nigel

I just gotta say, you look great for a 96 year old woman!! (love it)

Why thank you! No one believes me...

[JadeRosie]

Originally Posted by mythreechildren2001

I guess this answers that, but it won't be the last they hear from me

what exactly what offensive about what you posted?

[AllisonB]

Originally Posted by Tooter

HOLD ON. BEFORE the WW article? (Sorry for yelling) lol Ummm... That's still false advertisment. I just went to her site and it says as a Member you would get "Direct access to Kimmer" with being a member.

Holy Cow. Anyone who read the article and went to the site would see that and think that they were getting the personal coaching for membership. They don't find out until AFTER they pay for the site that it's not true. When you ask for a refund, nope?

Talk about Bait and Switch.

Kimmer actively participates in the forums, and answers questions there.

[Acutepenguin]

"The Kimkins Program is provided in electronic media and as such cannot be returned for refund once purchased and accessed. Members may not harass, annoy, badger, bully or act in an offensive manner to other members or administration. Violators will have their accounts canceled and no refund given."

The definition of "annoy" is probably pretty broad....

[RockyMtnAngelEyes]

Originally Posted by Tooter

HOLD ON. BEFORE the WW article? (Sorry for yelling) lol Ummm... That's still false advertisment. I just went to her site and it says as a Member you would get "Direct access to Kimmer" with being a member.

Holy Cow. Anyone who read the article and went to the site would see that and think that they were getting the personal coaching for membership. They don't find out until AFTER they pay for the site that it's not true. When you ask for a refund, nope?

Talk about Bait and Switch.

It was reworded then... {I haven't been back to look, as I refuse to give her a hit}

It USED to say, 'personal coaching' by {or from, I forget} Kimmer... Now of course you say it says 'Direct access to Kimmer'...

Small change, but a change...

[mythreechildren2001]

I questioned the authenticity of the pictures there and now my password doesn't work. I haven't heard anything from anyone there however. I've requested a new password twice but it hasn't worked, so who knows??

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by RockyMtnAngelEyes

It was reworded then... {I haven't been back to look, as I refuse to give her a hit}

It USED to say, 'personal coaching' by {or from, I forget} Kimmer... Now of course you say it says 'Direct access to Kimmer'...

Small change, but a change...

ahhhhhh

[mythreechildren2001]

Originally Posted by Acutepenguin

"The Kimkins Program is provided in electronic media and as such cannot be returned for refund once purchased and accessed. Members may not harass, annoy, badger, bully or act in an offensive manner to other members or administration. Violators will have their accounts canceled and no refund given."

The definition of "annoy" is probably pretty broad....

the whole thing is completely subjective

[cqueen]

Originally Posted by mythreechildren2001

I guess this answers that, but it won't be the last they hear from me

So in other words we are not allowed to ask questions over there or we will be banned and no refund given........Holy cow this just keeps getting worse.

[Carolina Rose]

From Dictionary.com:

fraud – noun
1. deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage.
2. a particular instance of such deceit or trickery: mail fraud; election frauds.
3. any deception, trickery, or humbug: That diet book is a fraud and a waste of time.
4. a person who makes deceitful pretenses; sham; poseur.


The "breach of confidence" is what hits home to me.

[AllieCat0817]

Originally Posted by cqueen

So in other words we are not allowed to ask questions over there or we will be banned and no refund given........Holy cow this just keeps getting worse.

I was thinking that too! (although I'm not 'we- over there' but still!)

[Lilgrnize]

The Kimkins Program is provided in electronic media and as such cannot be returned for refund once purchased and accessed. Members may not harass, annoy, badger, bully or act in an offensive manner to other members or administration. Violators will have their accounts canceled and no refund given.

Was this in the original TOS, or is this something they just added?

[mythreechildren2001]

Originally Posted by Carolina Rose

From Dictionary.com:

fraud – noun
1. deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage.
2. a particular instance of such deceit or trickery: mail fraud; election frauds.
3. any deception, trickery, or humbug: That diet book is a fraud and a waste of time.
4. a person who makes deceitful pretenses; sham; poseur.


The "breach of confidence" is what hits home to me.

#3 and 4 seem to apply as well

[mythreechildren2001]

Originally Posted by Lilgrnize

The Kimkins Program is provided in electronic media and as such cannot be returned for refund once purchased and accessed. Members may not harass, annoy, badger, bully or act in an offensive manner to other members or administration. Violators will have their accounts canceled and no refund given.

Was this in the original TOS, or is this something they just added?

I'm not sure?? I just checked their site to see what it said.

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by Lilgrnize

The Kimkins Program is provided in electronic media and as such cannot be returned for refund once purchased and accessed. Members may not harass, annoy, badger, bully or act in an offensive manner to other members or administration. Violators will have their accounts canceled and no refund given.

Was this in the original TOS, or is this something they just added?

I was wondering the same thing. Considering she has banned and refunded people in the past. As of last night.

[controlledcarb]

Originally Posted by cqueen

I'm assuming I am still a memeber.

Reading the magazine article I should have known better because it sounded too good to be true.......I know when sounds like that I should have stepped away. I was desparate and was going off of seeing her in here when I first joined in 2003. I was like, OMG I have spoke to her before, then this must be good.

I just read through the PayPal User Agreement, and you may want to dispute it still with PayPal. The User Agreement ( https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/websc...plaint-outside ) says:

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[mythreechildren2001]

Just got this:

We do not offer refunds for members who violate the Terms of Service.
Feel free to dispute through your credit card company.

Kimmer