Why the fascination with Kimmer?

[Carolina Rose]

Originally Posted by RockyMtnAngelEyes

Heidi has always said, if you ignore something long enough, it will go away...

Darn it ... wish the Bursar at my DD's college felt that way about the tuition due in August!

Another great post, Kiki. Thanks!

[KarenG]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

You know the sad thing about all of this is trusting people joined her site because her WOE really worked for her and we all believe that it can work for us. There is no question that the altered plan works and it works quickly. Whether she gained some weight back was not important to me because we all know how that happens - a person goes off plan. I would not have thought that was "unheard of" if Kimmer had gained some back. That would not have discouraged me because she was honest about it and in the process of trying to get it off following what plan was successful for her in the beginning.

I, too, joined the site when it was $19.95 - which I didn't think was outrageous. What I am saddened about is her keeping the truth from all of us paying members. What I find troubling is that now if you ask questions about the diet to her directly - I don't get answers from her. However I do get answers from the other members. I was paying to hear from her directly

Until I read all of these posts I never questioned her truthfulness. Like I mentioned I wouldn't have found it surprising if she had gained weight back - it's human nature and that wouldn't have discouraged me from following the quick weight loss plan. Hopefully when this is all out in the open - we will find out we were wrong. I guess I am an eternal optimist.

I am truly disappointed in thinking that all these comments might be true.

I am sorry this happened to you.

I would like to say though, that for me the problem is not if she gained weight back. That is fine and understandable and has happened to most of us.
But she is representing herself as that girl in the red dress, she is saying that is what she looks like NOW. If that is not her (and I seriously doubt it is) then she is being incredibly dishonest to try to drum up business for her site.

I spent some time looking at before and afters on her main page last night and some were laughably not the same person! Some were clearly models. Some appeared to be photoshopped. On many, they were just face shots, talking about a big loss, but you can't tell anything from those face shots. WHY do this??? And if she is being dishonest about THOSE, I don't see how I could trust her on anything else.

[Chrissykin]

Originally Posted by Carolina Rose

Darn it ... wish the Bursar at my DD's college felt that way about the tuition due in August!

[LoveMyLowCarb]

Originally Posted by KarenG

I spent some time looking at before and afters on her main page last night and some were laughably not the same person! Some were clearly models. Some appeared to be photoshopped. On many, they were just face shots, talking about a big loss, but you can't tell anything from those face shots. WHY do this??? And if she is being dishonest about THOSE, I don't see how I could trust her on anything else.

She's gotten a lot better at picking photos of people who look more closely alike. In some cases it looks like she's either using their OLD young photos as their "afters", or photos of their parents as their "befores". She removed a lot of them, but I'd say there's still at least half of the fakes still there.

It was so stupidly obvious before because she had people of different races up there as B/As. And even now, a pic will say they lost 200 pounds and clearly there's no more than a 10-20 difference in the pics, if that. I'm surprised she didn't throw a pic of a male and female up and say that was the Before and After, lol!

Like I said, its insulting that she thinks we can't see. And its amazing that even SHE can't see what a poor job she's doing at faking it.

[Sharis]

Originally Posted by RockyMtnAngelEyes

I agree.. I'm not debating 'her' plan... {with the BIG exception of daily use of laxitives} She took Stillmans, re-worded a few things, and voila... I've done Stillmans forever {I'm old} and love it...

What I take issue with is the things that seem to be unethical.. I'm BIG on honesty, and do have a hard time of forgiving that.. I also take issue with accusing people of things they didn't do.. This is fact, as I was one she accused of things I didn't do or say, along with my friend {who some of you may remember from here, Amy/Cutie} and sent me a hateful email, full of nastyness, and banned us, all because she didn't know the full story, and decided what she was reading in our private PM's, was something other than what it really was... Or were we getting to close to something? I don't know the answer to that one. What I do know as fact, is she says one thing and does another, as long as it seems to benefit.. Does she do this on everything? Again, I don't know...


We did try to get answers to the original B&A success stories/pictures, before it came anywhere near being a controversy, and were basically told, so what if they are fake...

There are other things that I'm not at liberty to share, and won't because they involve other people.. If they want to come forward, that would be great... If not, that's up to them...

I was thrilled when I found the site, as I wanted to be around people who thought like I did.. Nothing against anyone who chooses another plan at all! We all know, what works for one, may not work for another... I'll never put down another plan, just for that reason... I forget what set my radar off there, and at this point it really doesn't matter.. But it did go off, and I started questioning several things, to myself...

Now other people are questioning some of those things..

Who knows if we'll ever get answers.. Heidi has always said, if you ignore something long enough, it will go away...

I'm sorry to hear this. And Amy! She was Kimmer's biggest fan way back in the day. Wow. That's so sad.

I just hope this all gets resolved and soon. All the time and energy that is going into "solving" this big mystery is crazy. I'll admit I still hope to see Kimmer rise from the ashes to prove the doubters wrong. I guess time will tell.

[JRo]

Originally Posted by KarenG

I would like to say though, that for me the problem is not if she gained weight back. That is fine and understandable and has happened to most of us.

I disagree. I think that would be a huge problem because she is selling the diet as a lifestyle that is sustainable.

I have personally found very, very few diets that are sustainable. The only thing that works for me, personally, is to stay very active.

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by HevinMonkey

....comes out of lurking for a brief moment....
If "Kimmer" has severe enough anxiety attacks that she cannot leave her home for a lunch date to clear her good name, and potentially save her business from failing if it were to be proven that she is in fact a fraud then I am not sure I understand how she is able to perform her parental duties as a foster parent? Parenting requires leaving the house - ALOT! There is grocery shopping, parent-teacher meetings, trips to the mall, dentist and doctor appointments, school functions, social activities, sports and hobbies...on and on. I am not sure that someone who is too severely impaired to leave the house for an interview that could potentially save the "family business" would be considered by the state to be healthy enough to take on the great responsibilites of parenting. I am not in any way knocking anyone that has anxiety attacks either - I personally suffered from them for about 2 years and it was absolutely awful - but I also did not use them as an excuse for deceptive behaviour.
I do have to add my two cents in at this point and whole heartedly disagree with everyone that says it does not matter who "Kimmer" really is and what she looks like. So many people are out there searching for the "miracle cure" and when we hear that something worked awesomely for someone and see that they got the results that we want for ourselves our natural tendency is to rush in and try it for ourselves. "Kimmer" is not selling an original diet, she is selling her results, and using what is almost certainly false pictures to depict those results. Just based on those pictures -those results- many people will flock to try that diet - believing that their "leader" attained the incredible transformation of going from the "before" picture to the "after" picture by doing exactly what she is telling them to do. If that is not really her in the after pictures- and frankly its almost laughable to consider - then these people have been deceived. By making these claims and going public with it "Kimmer" herself has put herself into a position that she owes people the truth. Thru the image she has created for herself and the promise that image carries with it she IS responsible for giving people the whole story. She put herself in a position of responsibility by choosing to become front and center in the public eye and she really is obligated to prove to her followers that based on her own success she has lost the weight and kept it off. Why? Because that personal success is what she is selling to innocent hopeful people that are looking for a way out of the internal anguish that being overweight causes some of us. She is selling her own success and if she is NOT that success story her pictures claim, then we have a right to know.
...returning to the safety of my hidey-hole so I can continue lurking...

OUTSTANDING Post!!!!!!!!

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by CARLINI

maybe jimmy or catherine's husband can give us that info, INSTEAD of us giving them something else to write about

[KarenG]

Originally Posted by JadeRosie

I disagree. I think that would be a huge problem because she is selling the diet as a lifestyle that is sustainable.

I have personally found very, very few diets that are sustainable. The only thing that works for me, personally, is to stay very active.

I meant if she had gained weight back and been honest about it. AND not started a website showing herself as that girl in the red dress.

Sorry I wasn't clear.

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

You know the sad thing about all of this is trusting people joined her site because her WOE really worked for her and we all believe that it can work for us. There is no question that the altered plan works and it works quickly. Whether she gained some weight back was not important to me because we all know how that happens - a person goes off plan. I would not have thought that was "unheard of" if Kimmer had gained some back. That would not have discouraged me because she was honest about it and in the process of trying to get it off following what plan was successful for her in the beginning.

I, too, joined the site when it was $19.95 - which I didn't think was outrageous. What I am saddened about is her keeping the truth from all of us paying members. What I find troubling is that now if you ask questions about the diet to her directly - I don't get answers from her. However I do get answers from the other members. I was paying to hear from her directly

Until I read all of these posts I never questioned her truthfulness. Like I mentioned I wouldn't have found it surprising if she had gained weight back - it's human nature and that wouldn't have discouraged me from following the quick weight loss plan. Hopefully when this is all out in the open - we will find out we were wrong. I guess I am an eternal optimist.

I am truly disappointed in thinking that all these comments might be true.

Thank you so much for this post. Everyone ,Supporters and Red Flaggers NEED to get to the truth of this matter.

I really appreciate your honesty.

My problem is with the Fraud. Everyone who went to her web site and became a memeber from the WW Cover....Did it because they believed kimmer was real...That she had lost 177 lbs in 11 months and that she had kept if off for years.

We are finding out that this isn't true (evidence is really showing it's a scam).

Does the diet work? I'm sure it does to a point. It's part of stillmans and part atkin's 72. Those work (and have been proven to work) Then you have some added crazy advice from Kimmer who we dont think is real, is not a doctor, don't know if she in fact lost the weight nor if she kept it off (all the basis of her site and the WW article) and none of the pictures add up.

That's what I have a problem with. It's called "Fraud".

[abbynormal]

I haven't read all 45 pages so excuse me if someone else has already said:
Where's Oprah and her book club army when you need them?

[Potaty]

Originally Posted by abbynormal

I haven't read all 45 pages so excuse me if someone else has already said:
Where's Oprah and her book club army when you need them?

Or Dateline NBC?

[Peskie]

We have 1657 guests and 663 members online

Still think the controversy DOESN'T help the hits there.....over twice as many guests as members there right now.

It is even more than how many are logged in here and this is much more established.

[Carolina Rose]

Peskie ~ it has numbers like that ALL THE TIME. No matter what time of the day or night. Even holidays, like the 4th. I don't put any stock in those numbers at all. Supposedly there was a "glitch" in the system, but doesn't look like anyone is bothering to fix it.

ETA: By the way, you've got GREAT stats!

[Peskie]

Thanks!

I didn't do Kimkins though....does it count?

[Carolina Rose]

Originally Posted by Peskie

Thanks!

I didn't do Kimkins though....does it count?

Ha! Give me 60 bucks and I'll let ya know.

Seriously, I admire anyone who can keep 100+ pounds off for over 2 years. Did you do "straight" Atkins? Whatever the plan, it's a great accomplishment!

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by KarenG

I am sorry this happened to you.

I would like to say though, that for me the problem is not if she gained weight back. That is fine and understandable and has happened to most of us.
But she is representing herself as that girl in the red dress, she is saying that is what she looks like NOW. If that is not her (and I seriously doubt it is) then she is being incredibly dishonest to try to drum up business for her site.

I spent some time looking at before and afters on her main page last night and some were laughably not the same person! Some were clearly models. Some appeared to be photoshopped. On many, they were just face shots, talking about a big loss, but you can't tell anything from those face shots. WHY do this??? And if she is being dishonest about THOSE, I don't see how I could trust her on anything else.

Do we know for sure that she HAS gained the weight back? Do you think that is what she is being dishonest about? I too don't see the resemblance ... I looked again at the gal in the red dress. At first I thought it might just be someone else that was a success story. Hey I gained some weight back - but I still look basically the same except the space between my thighs are not as wide as they use to be I just don't know what to make of all this. I think I've been duped.

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by Lynda99

Bulllllll. Good lucking taking action against someone for what they say on an Internet message board. First, pay a lawyer $5000+ for EACH suit. Then, be able to prove that person caused you business harm. Then get slapped with court costs by a pissed off judge for wasting the courts time.

(Unless you have a business relationship with the person, of course)

Hey my DH is an attorney and he said that if she is misrepresenting herself and collecting money - she can't try to claim damages from people just asking questions. Plus if she started a lawsuit - she would have to appear in court..... hmmmm. I'd like to get my money back - so I could have my DH file some papers for me - and I'd ask for damages..... I've been hood-winked and lost sleep trying to unravel this mystery - not to mention the distress. I've also overeaten because I'm so upset!

[Peskie]

Originally Posted by Carolina Rose

Ha! Give me 60 bucks and I'll let ya know.

Seriously, I admire anyone who can keep 100+ pounds off for over 2 years. Did you do "straight" Atkins? Whatever the plan, it's a great accomplishment!

I didn't do the $14.95, much less the $60 when it increased and yes, I had an original invitation. I thought $14.95 was too much.....if I'd only known what a bargain I was offered

I figured no point in paying for what I knew without paying.

Yes, I was pretty much straight Atkins.....strayed a little here and there, but went up the carb ladder a little at a time (although not always "choice" foods). Atkins principles, peskie style.

[JaneJane]

I lost 67 pounds in 43 days and felt wonderful ... my first "euphoria" experience. I stopped when my fiance invited me to go camping with his family for the weekend. They were Hispanic and his mom was NOT going to understand fasting. (I was 19 then, now I wouldn't care, LOL!)

She says she was 19 when she lost a lot of weight. The avatar picture could easily be her when she was 19. I like pictures of myself at 19 better, too.

[woe]

Originally Posted by Peskie

I didn't do the $14.95, much less the $60 when it increased and yes, I had an original invitation. I thought $14.95 was too much.....if I'd only known what a bargain I was offered

I figured no point in paying for what I knew without paying.
.

I am just too cheap to pay when there are free sites like LCF!!

[ixtapacheryl]

I also remember one of her success stories was that of a woman Judge. The Judge said that she had decided to join when her "clerk" introduced her to the site. Very attractive woman with what looked like gray or very light blonde hair. I wonder if she is still a member and what she thinks.

Come to think of it - I think I only paid $14.95.

[Nigel]

Originally Posted by Mavis

I will be and they won't be fake pics either.

Christin has a blog..let me see if I can find it......

here ya go...

http://mytotaltransformation.blogspot.com/

This gal still looks the same in her before and after pictures (kudos to her). (good to know also) She is also the one selling kimkins on Ebay. Just my .02 cents worth. I knew I had seen that picture somewhere. Thanks for the blog info.