Why the fascination with Kimmer?

[tiggerr]

Originally Posted by Just4Me

tiggerr, where did you get that quote? I missed it. TIA

It's from one of the links someone provided a little up this page:

http://www.maloneymedical.com/id58.html

[SMP]

Aw Sweetie, we understand that not one size fits all, and that a small person can get away with fewer calories than a larger person. One thing about European dietary needs is that they haven't, till now, gone to the excesses that N.Am.'s did/do. Yes, they ate leaner, but the fats they chose, between seafoods, olive oil and not frying everything to death, plus more and greater variety of veggies, keeps them more slender. Kimkins sounds quite reasonable, in fact, if you stick to the main plan. But when a fit person with a bit to lose tries this reasonable plan at fewer than 1000 daily calories, what happens is what happened to you. Suddenly you binge - and it's all YOUR FAULT, NOT THE DIET'S FAULT. Until you find this is a common result of going so low so fast and so long. Then it becomes more sinister, since bingeing is an ED. Regain is not only expected, but if done on healthy foods and nutrient-laden supplements, is probably a good thing. All this means is that now you have to look to your health before losing weight again. But you can do it. You can still watch fats w/o being terrified of them.

[missis36]

Originally Posted by Lisa46

Missi, I think I love you... Thanks for posting the Osuzana information! It is so helpful to get a glimpse into what she has gone thru over there.

KimATC is obviously respected and loved by many... to KimATC.

yeah Kim is awesome and needs to be supported in this. She DID NOT have any idea about the scammer. So big hug to Kimatc

[tiggerr]

Originally Posted by Locarb4me

It's me, too

I may have had some issues brewing before but Kimkins capped it for me. Now I can't lose weight on 1000-1300 cals a day at all. Even with exercise. And frankly I'm scared to drop calories. I'm opting for better medical tx with my thyroid meds and can only hope and pray that works.

I lost so well on Atkins, you can see it in my gallery.
Then my FIL passed away and I tried KK and the 'experiment' on and off for awhile and went back to low carb.
The weight came slowly but today 2 years later despite marathon training and weight training I'm at 162. 3 pounds lighter than I started with in 2003.
I had lost almost 12 pounds on Atkins.

I walk an average of 2.5-3 miles a day and although I'm not fat, I look dumpy.
I'm doing the fitday thing again and am making good choices.
I need to get my bloodwork done next week to see where I stand.
And up my meds without a doubt.

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by missis36

Hey bella respond with this


Um Heidi it's not that I don't want to take advantage of the support YOU BANNED ME. Now I will ask again nicely, please return my money.

Sounds like a "blanket form letter" that is being sent out to everyone.

[missis36]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

Sounds like a "blanket form letter" that is being sent out to everyone.

Yupper but it seems our dear Heidi has been informed by some type of attorney that she CAN'T ban a life time member. Hence her inviting everyone back. However, the ban happened and so if you got banned simply send her an email explaining that she is going to be sued big time if she doesn't refund your money. A ban is NOT a life time membership. Shesh.

[Nady]

Originally Posted by wifezilla

I am talking about the TOS KIMMER had to agree to in order to get hosting for the KIMKINS site. She has to abide by the TOS of the hosting company or she could get booted from their servers.

So, has she? I don't know enough about this stuff to even know~

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[tiggerr]

Originally Posted by HBGal

And despite my efforts, my hair is STILL falling out in clumps and has changed texture (kinda fuzzy, but not frizzy).

That was my hair before I found out I was hypothriod.
Go get a blood test, Free T3, Free T3 and TSH.

Once my meds kicked in it took a year before my hair was 'nice' again.

[dlslds]

Its interesting how osuz jumps from one opinion to another---and she is very intense and passionate in every post, no matter which side she is taking that particular day.... I am just waiting for her to post on the Kimkins Survivors thread now, telling us all about the time she did KE and ended up in the hospital last year.

[wifezilla]

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That covers it

[AllieCat0817]

Originally Posted by missis36

yeah Kim is awesome and needs to be supported in this. She DID NOT have any idea about the scammer. So big hug to Kimatc

KimATC I am sorry for all your drama. I went at it with you earlier in this thread..... just sorry for everything that went down with your name sucked in. Seriously. You obviously have a good name here and have lots of respect. Keep on keepin on girlfriend!!

[Doodle_in_MA]

Originally Posted by dlslds

Its interesting how osuz jumps from one opinion to another---and she is very intense and passionate in every post, no matter which side she is taking that particular day.... I am just waiting for her to post on the Kimkins Survivors thread now, telling us all about the time she did KE and ended up in the hospital last year.

I agree! She posted on another board that she went back to get emails and get more people to leave. If that was what she went back for, how does she explain the nasty posts she made PRO KIMKINS/Kimmer while she was back there?

[HBGal]

Originally Posted by tiggerr

That was my hair before I found out I was hypothriod.
Go get a blood test, Free T3, Free T3 and TSH.

Once my meds kicked in it took a year before my hair was 'nice' again.

*sigh*

[dlslds]

Originally Posted by Doodle_in_MA

I agree! She posted on another board that she went back to get emails and get more people to leave. If that was what she went back for, how does she explain the nasty posts she made PRO KIMKINS/Kimmer while she was back there?

yeppers

like I said, she is very intense and passionate in each and every one of her different views---even when they are doin a 180

[emmyjane]

According to a different forum, LiquidWeb has been contacted, and said that they won't take the site down unless told to do so by the authorities.

[tiggerr]

Originally Posted by HBGal

*sigh*

Is fine, I'm getting used to it now.

[JustKim]

Originally Posted by AllieCat0817

KimATC I am sorry for all your drama. I went at it with you earlier in this thread..... just sorry for everything that went down with your name sucked in. Seriously. You obviously have a good name here and have lots of respect. Keep on keepin on girlfriend!!

[someonelikeyou]

Originally Posted by GinaC

Anyone who has contacted an attorney and is concerned, your attorney needs to find out which hosting company Kimmer is using and do whatever legal mumbojumbo necessary to protect those backups NOW!!!!!!

Kimkins.com -- Godaddy.com

Registrant:
Brandon Diaz
Suite 104-309
529 N. McKinley Street
Corona, California 92879
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: KIMKINS.COM
Created on: 22-Apr-06
Expires on: 22-Apr-11
Last Updated on:

Administrative Contact:
Diaz, Brandon rezeyu@gmail.com
Suite 104-309
529 N. McKinley Street
Corona, California 92879
United States
9512583976 Fax --

Technical Contact:
Diaz, Brandon rezeyu@gmail.com
Suite 104-309
529 N. McKinley Street
Corona, California 92879
United States
9512583976 Fax --

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.KIMKINS.NET
NS2.KIMKINS.NET

Current Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
IP Address: 205.234.98.99 (ARIN & RIPE IP search)
IP Location: US(UNITED STATES)-VIRGINIA-ASHBURN
Record Type: Domain Name
Server Type: Apache 1
Lock Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Web Site Status: Active
DMOZ no listings
Y! Directory: see listings
Web Site Title: Kimkins.com - Kimmer's Low Carb Weight Loss Program - Home
Meta Description: Kimkins.com
Meta Keywords: Kimkins
Secure: No
E-commerce: Yes
Traffic Ranking: 4
Data as of: 23-Sep-2006

[tiggerr]

Public Service Announcement to anyone thinking the diet is sane.
Thyroid disease does not get cured, ever.

1. You will have to have blood drawn on a regular schedule to determine if your meds work. Just because you are on one dose now doesn't mean much. You might need to go up over time.
2. You'll have to be careful around certain food for EVER, no more tofu, broccoli, cauliflower etc as they mess with your meds
3. YOU WILL BE ON MEDICATION FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE
   
4. your hormones might have gotten messed up enough that you hit menopause early (I did at 43)
5. I found that when you are hypothriod (I have Hashimoto's) your heart doesn't function as well as a healthy person.
   It's harder to do things.
6. losing weight is a struggle and sometimes doesn't even happen
   
   So is it worth losing 7 pounds a week like this 'diet' promises you if in the end you are at a potential risk of thyroid disease?
   
   Think about it,
   Medication for the rest of your life.

[AllieCat0817]

I had my thyroid removed in Nov 2002 before low carbing and I thank GOD I never had any weight loss issues despite my surgery. That is NOTHING to play with though. I'll be on meds for the rest of my life because of my surgery (I had to have the surg though). Do NOT mess with your thyroid.

[dlslds]

Originally Posted by tiggerr

Public Service Announcement to anyone thinking the diet is sane.
Thyroid disease does not get cured, ever.

1. You will have to have blood drawn on a regular schedule to determine if your meds work. Just because you are on one dose now doesn't mean much. You might need to go up over time.
2. You'll have to be careful around certain food for EVER, no more tofu, broccoli, cauliflower etc as they mess with your meds
3. YOU WILL BE ON MEDICATION FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE
   
4. your hormones might have gotten messed up enough that you hit menopause early (I did at 43)
5. I found that when you are hypothriod (I have Hashimoto's) your heart doesn't function as well as a healthy person.
   It's harder to do things.
6. losing weight is a struggle and sometimes doesn't even happen
   
   So is it worth losing 7 pounds a week like this 'diet' promises you if in the end you are at a potential risk of thyroid disease?
   
   Think about it,
   Medication for the rest of your life.

true true true...the thing about broccoli and cauli and cabbage is sometimes you can eat them if they are cooked as that negates the 'whateveritisums' that create havoc on the thyroid.
careful with the green tea (fluoride) too.

[tiggerr]

Originally Posted by AllieCat0817

I had my thyroid removed in Nov 2002 before low carbing and I thank GOD I never had any weight loss issues despite my surgery.

Lucky you!

That is NOTHING to play with though. I'll be on meds for the rest of my life because of my surgery (I had to have the surg though). Do NOT mess with your thyroid.

Problem is, many women have obscure symptoms that can be interpreted as different medical conditions.
When I started having weird periods I was told I was peri-menopausal.
Night sweats? same.
Freezing cold, put on a sweater.
Memory issues? Brain fog you need to cut back on activities

My hypo was found by accident, I firmly believe I would have gone on undiagnosed for a longer time.
I suspect I was hypo thyroid since December of 2004, the diagnosis was in March of 2006.
That's almost 18 months of issues.