Why the fascination with Kimmer?

[Binsk]

Originally Posted by CarolinaRocker

Another Kimmer blog from today:


We ran across this article written by Jonny Bowden, fitness expert in the CVS Pharmacy publication, "Taking Extra Care of Your Diabetes".



Here's one excerpt of his tips for maintaining goal weight:



Learn From Winners

"Finally a clear way -- using both new and time tested idea -- to lose weight, keep it off and get happier, all at the same time."

Whenever I want to learn how to master something, I go to the experts. A few years ago when I took up tennis, I went to a pro ... and my game got much, much better. Well, guess what? The same approach works for weight loss.

(article continues)

by Jonny Bowden, PhD, CNS

This is so funny for Kimmer to post, because obviously from the PI pics she is not a winner and we should not be going to her for advice.

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by missis36

You forget didn't that used to read 0-20 carbs and so on. Then she changed it at becky's request because it sounded as though 0 would be ok

Also if the sons ex is right and she's an alcoholic, how the hell does she get off telling others not to drink?!?!?! Oh wait...I'm acting schocked again I reminded myself to stop that.

She accused me of being a drinker. This, if I can remember way back, was in response to having two rum/diet cokes on a Sunday last summer. I was also looking forward to my cruise because I was going to splurge and have a southern comfort manhattan. They are sweet - so I was only going to allow myself 1 or 2 pre-dinner. OMG she did respond to that news. I thought it would be ok cause I had reached my goal of 126# down from 183# in March.

[controlledcarb]

Originally Posted by vintagecoils

I read those blogs and I can see where alot of people have personal greivances with Kimmers but also I have to say there was abuse of the kimmers plan. The basic plan at its with the absolute leanest of meat and exact carbs would give you triple the calories some of those blogs were talking. So those examples do not add up to the facts. Also there are many forums users who following the plan have had great results and no side affects. So I only say a absolute condemnation must be based on how individuals followed the plan the way it is presented and then showed negative results for most.

I now see that this thread was for consoling those who felt harmed by Kimmers but the title is not that clear. I have not meant to judge anyone I only wanted to respond to the title of the thread.

I'm gonna say it again, just call me Ms. Broken Record, OK?

The plans - all of them - as WRITTEN - are nutritionally bankrupt....you can not, no matter how hard you try, obtain all obligate nutrients when you follow the plans and supplement (only multivitamin) as suggested.

Period.

There is no but, or if, or maybe here....it cannot be done.

[CarolinaRocker]

Just cuz your alive doesnt mean its great for you

[Cryssi]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

She accused me of being a drinker. This, if I can remember way back, was in response to having two rum/diet cokes on a Sunday last summer. I was also looking forward to my cruise because I was going to splurge and have a southern comfort manhattan. They are sweet - so I was only going to allow myself 1 or 2 pre-dinner. OMG she did respond to that news. I thought it would be ok cause I had reached my goal of 126# down from 183# in March.

My grandmother was an alcoholic, my mom is a recovering one.

When my GM was alive, she was always worried about everyone else drinking. I think she thought if she pointed it out and kept focus on it, it would take the light off of her.

My mom was the same before she went into AA/recovery.

NOT, saying this is Kimmer, but it is just my personal take on why she would maybe accuse you.

[AllieCat0817]

Originally Posted by controlledcarb

I'm gonna say it again, just call me Ms. Broken Record, OK?

The plans - all of them - as WRITTEN - are nutritionally bankrupt....you can not, no matter how hard you try, obtain all obligate nutrients when you follow the plans and supplement (only multivitamin) as suggested.

Period.

There is no but, or if, or maybe here....it cannot be done.

Not only that... the plans as WRITTEN- weren't what Kimmer suggested people do in day in and day out via posts or whatever. It was always 'cut your cals even more'. Plan behind the plan

[Sleepy]

Originally Posted by vintagecoils

Besides I was enjoying all my size 4 and five clothes too much to fall to far.

ummmm.....this is a Kimmer line

Kimmer used to say this ALL OF THE TIME!!

[wifezilla]

Kimmer recap...

• Kimmer is a woman who promotes a diet plan based on very low calories...something that should only be done under direct doctor supervision.
• Kimmer has no medical or nutritional training.
• Despite her lack of training, she charges up to $60 for a website membership to her website to get diet and health advice.
• Her entire website is based on her claims to have lost almost 200 lbs in a year and maintain a weight of 118lb, yet recent photos show her to be more like 300 lbs.
• Kimmer has admitted in interviews and old posts to BE Heidi Diaz, then tries to deny she was Heidi Diaz after pictures surfaced of her showing her to weigh 300 lbs
• Her AFTER photos used in a Woman's World article are fake.
• She used the publicity from the Women's World article and her fake photos and false claims to gather many new members
• Women who initially endorsed the Kimkin's plan have since left due to Kimmer's questionable business practices and health issues caused by following the Kimkins diet.
• Kimmer has banned people from the website for asking questions she doesn't want to answer (like why are you telling people to follow a plan you obviously don't follow yourself? )
• Advice she has given on LCF in the old ASK KIMMER thread as well as on her website recommends diet coke fasts and daily laxative use as well as low calories and very low fat
• Her initial diet plan, available on the ask Kimmer thread works out to be about 710 calories per day. 710 calories is a day is not healthy and does not provide enough nutrition.
• At Kimmer's suggestion, former members reportedly cut calories below the initial 710 recommended and were often told to cut fat down to almost zero.
• This resulted in gall bladder issues, thyroid damage and hair loss for several people who have publicly documented their experiences.
• She has called the Atkin's diet "FATKINS" yet has ripped off parts of the Atkin's diet, gave it an unhealthy twist and marketed it as her own.
• Kimmer promised an ebook as part of the membership fee but has never produced said ebook.
• Kimmer has admitted publicly to using a variety of aliases to publish articles.
• Kimmer has berated people trying to lose weight saying they were not tough enough to follow the plan.
• She has told people it is not only ok, but desirable to be S.N.A.T.T.
• She denies the existence of a "starvation mode".
• She has claimed that you do not require ingested fat if you have excess body fat.
• The last three points strongly show her ignorance of metabolism and the human body.

Did I forget anything???

[Madam De Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagecoils

For one Protein Power and Atkins does say that creating a deficeit in calories may be a course you have to take to reduce. They mostly push no calorie counting but it is there in their books.

A deficit, yes. Going several hundred or a thousand calories or more/day under your basal metabolic rate, or water/diet coke fasting for weeks at at time, like Kimmer suggests, no. No way. They're doctors, they know about starvation mode, which Kimmer completely denies even exists.

Neither of those books would have ever suggested daily doses of stimulant laxatives either, because once again, they're written by doctors - they know that excessive use of stimulant laxatives is extremely harmful! Kimmer, without any medical evidence to back her up, claims it's not.

In addition, neither of them would have ever suggested omitting any and all fats possible, and eating only the leanest protein sources. There's a reason Essential Fatty Acids are called "essential" - that's what they are - Essential to good health. The only way to get them into your body is to eat them.

Also based on the Kimmers plan I for one can not see how one can be eating only 300 calories as I read in the blog of one person.
I followed the program as laid out in the Ask kimmers thread.
If I am not mistaken 1 gram of protein is 4 calories and 1 gram of carb is 9 calories.

Minor correction:

You're right, protein is 4 calories/gram, but carbs are also only 4 calories/gram. Fats are 9 calories per gram.

She also allowed fat at minimum with some additional veggies.

She allowed minimal fats, "just enough to make your menu work". That could mean no added fats at all, or very small amounts - 1/2 tsp here, 1/4 tsp there. Non-fat, no calorie, or spray on salad dressings were advised repeatedly, which means no added fats from those. She also strongly suggested using Pam instead of any kind of butter/oil for cooking. If you admitted to using fats in your cooking, or half'n'half or cream in your coffee/tea, that was the first thing you were told to cut out. This is part of the "plan behind the plan", and not explicit in the basic plan.

The veggies are included in the 0-20 g carbs in Heidi's plan (she didn't allow any deductions for fiber, which we know aren't metabolized the same as non-fiber carbs), so no, there were no "additional" veggies, just the 3 cups salad veggies, or 2 cups salad veggies and 1 cup total from the other list.

If you look at the nutritional stats on lettuce, for instance, you will find that 3 cups of lettuce have 1-2 g carbs and 4-10 calories per cup. That adds up to 12-30 calories per day, while only providing 3-6 g carbs.The rest of the "up to" 20g carbs would come from various spices used in cooking your lean protein.

at 70-90 grams of protein Or as much as you desire on the 3 day experiment, with a natural amount of fat that even the leanast meat could have would put you at hypethetically 450cal min. a day(fish would be the only thing that could squeeze into those numbers) On average a piece of extra lean beef 220 cal. per serving. lean chicken 190 cal. Each at least 3 times a day. Now this does not include the allowed fat to cook nor the allowed carbs and vegetables. This could never add up to only a 300 cal day menu. Her plan talks of food not artificial protein and food supplements to eat so this is why when I read what the plan stated and what some people say it said it does not add up.

Note that it does not say lean MEAT, but lean PROTEIN. One egg white provides 17 calories, and 4 g protein. If a person decided to get all their protein from hard boiled egg whites and stayed on the low side of the 70-90 g protein (18 egg whites = 72 g protein), they could concievably consume a mere 302 calories per day, and still stay within the guidelines for Kimkins, with no added fats at all.

Rules for Kimkins and K/E

Here's the guidelines for Kimkins:

*Up to 20 total carbs (not 'net')
*Up to 3 cups salad type veggies or
*Up to 2 cups salad veggies + .5 cup 'cooked'
*70-90 lean protein grams
*No LC products, treats, junk or alcohol
*Just enough fat to make your menu work (don't overdo)


Here's the guidelines for the Kimmer Experiment (not M/E):

*As much lean protein as you desire
*Length of time is 3-5 days depending on how 'carbed up' you are
*Purpose is to experience 'real' ketosis (weight loss, no appetite)
*Useful as a springboard for other LC programs
*No alcohol, no cheese
*Basic condiments and spices OK (watch catsup & A1 sauce)

It is clear that some people some how was able to distort the diet to be harmful in their execution of it but to say they followed the plan as suggested I cannot see.

See above. Everywhere it says "up to" (carbs, veggies) implies that zero is perfectly ok. Our hypothetical hard boiled egg white eater could congratulate herself for using NO added fats, NO carbs, and ending her day with an intake of 302 calories. Granted, most people would want more variety than that - but we're talking about people who are desperate to lose weight, sometimes hundreds of pounds, and with Kimmer urging them to cut calories more and more, and stick to the leanest of the lean, once a dieter was SNATTy, it would be "easy" to eat less and less.

[marnaewilson]

Vintagecoils, I love your avatar and your way of expressing yourself. And I realize you don't have all the background that is contained in this thread. It's easy to miss the dangers of eating Kimmer's way if you have modified it or have only done it for a couple of weeks. At first it seems like magic. But after awhile some people stall. That's when the really dangerous advice kicks in. And, unlike with Atkins or PP, the dangerous VLC diet recommendations are for long term, not just a week to break a stall. Sounds like you've done some reading on nutrition, so if trouble arises for you, you'll know how to handle it. It's those who don't know or want to believe Kimmer that end up sick and sad.

[AllieCat0817]

Originally Posted by vintagecoils

Also based on the Kimmers plan I for one can not see how one can be eating only 300 calories as I read in the blog of one person.
I followed the program as laid out in the Ask kimmers thread.
If I am not mistaken 1 gram of protein is 4 calories [size]and 1 gram of carb is 9 calories.[/size] She also allowed fat at minimum with some additional veggies.

at 70-90 grams of protein Or as much as you desire on the 3 day experiment, with a natural amount of fat that even the leanast meat could have would put you at hypethetically 450cal min. a day(fish would be the only thing that could squeeze into those numbers) On average a piece of extra lean beef 220 cal. per serving. lean chicken 190 cal. Each at least 3 times a day. Now this does not include the allowed fat to cook nor the allowed carbs and vegetables. This could never add up to only a 300 cal day menu.

Actually carbs are only 4 cals per gram which puts your calculations off.

[TammySue]

wifezilla - EXCELLENT recap!

[CarolinaRocker]

Tell me this article on her site doesnt "suggest" that a person should eat like a weightloss surgery patient....who by the way would be under a DOCTORS care.

Kimkins - Are You Afraid to Lose Fast?



Are You Afraid to Lose Fast?
Sometimes I'm perplexed. Yes, even Kimmer scratches her head sometimes.

As the contact person for Kimkins.com I get bags of virtual email every day. Every question you can think of about dieting, weight loss, low carb, Kimkins vs. Atkins, exercise -- and whether low calorie diets are safe.

People are curious about how our members can lose so much weight! So quickly! Is it safe? Some flat out refuse to believe it!

Well meaning folks sometimes delude themselves into thinking they need that tired "1200 calorie minimum" to avoid starvation mode when dieting.

Of course this is ridiculous.

If you have excess body fat you've got literally thousands of calories of "food" waiting to be used. Want a number? Figure your body fat in pounds, multiply by 3500 and that's how much "food" you've got on hand.

Let's say 50 lbs to lose, x 3500 = 175,000 "food" calories just hanging there. Does the huge number make you whoozy?

The entire purpose of gastric surgery for obese people is to force their daily calorie limit to 500 for months (maybe years for super morbidly obese)!

Won't you be hungry? Not on the Kimkins diet. We've got ketosis and the Domino Effect hard at work! Read our "What Kimkins Members Say" (bottom of the page) and notice how many post about losing their appetite. Magic?

When people "Ask Kimmer" about very low calorie diets, they usually wonder if their bodies will "stop losing" due to starvation mode. Absolutely not. Why? Because your body will always need more than 500-1000 calories to sustain whatever weight you're at.

As an example, I'm going to use a 5'4", 250 lb woman who's had gastric surgery for weight loss. Her doctor has prescribed 500 calories a day and since she's sedentary we'll use a 10X metabolism multiplier. 500 and 10X were picked to make the math easier:

Weigh 250, need 2500 cal, eat 500, takes 2000 cal from body fat
Weigh 200, need 2000 cal, eat 500, takes 1500 cal from body fat
Weigh 150, need 1500 cal, eat 500, takes 1000 cal from body fat
Weigh 125, need 1250 cal, eat 500, takes 750 cal from body fat

Since you need a 3500 calorie deficit to lose 1 pound, you can see you'll reach that number a lot faster when you're creating a 1500 cal deficit, then when you're close to goal and only creating a 750 deficit. But you'll get there.

This is why the last 10-15 lbs is harder to lose -- your body doesn't "need" as much calories and doesn't burn as many calories.

This is also why exercise can help burn calories to make the deficit bigger, but backfires for people who replenish the calories burned. Let's say they munch a so-called "energy bar" at 250 calories after their workout. Those calories just wiped out the deficit you worked so hard for!

People who were obese and reach goal weight are sometimes disappointed their new daily food amounts now have to remain much smaller than when they were overweight. They think they "ruined" their metabolisms! The simple truth is that a 120 lb body needs much less food than a 320 lb body.

Not to mention they probably aren't aware that a lunch of a Big Mac & large chocolate shake racks up 1700 calories and 250 carbs! All they know is that they didn't eat "that much" (especially if other meals are equally high calorie) and get confused when they start regaining weight.

Thinness is an art. Maintenance takes practice. Smart food choices are critical!

[wifezilla]

This seems like a good time to remind people of Kimmer's words during her Jimmy Moore interview...

"Jimmy: By the way, you look absolutely fantastic today and you seem to be so
much happier now as well. How has your life changed for the better since your
amazing weight loss success?

Kimmer: Thank you, Jimmy, I accept all compliments from handsome men! Losing 200 lbs has literally been like freeing an albatross from around my neck. I was so
desperately unhappy. Despite lying to myself that my size didn't matter, and
although I was blessed with good health despite 300+ pounds, I knew I was
harming my body.

Now, a slim size 4, I look back and wonder what took me so long to get serious? I
now fit into theater seats without even touching the arms! Seat belts aren't anxiety
provoking. My confidence has soared! No longer do I fear developing diabetes.
Few people are aware that it doesn't take very much extra body fat to develop
Type 2 diabetes and once you do, it's for life. You can manage it, but the damage
to cells never disappears.

But probably the most blessed part of being thin and healthy is the pride my
children have in me. No longer do I wonder whether they might be embarrassed by
their 318-pound mom at school events or the mall. It almost seems as though they
show me off!"

Of course, Jimmy's comment about her looking fabulous was based on her FAKE AFTER PHOTO. Kimmer never would meet with Jimmy.

[Leashy]

Reading this again I'm realizing that we totally underestimated her and what she's capable of. How can anyone say those things with a straight face... it's not even a tiny stretch of the truth. They're ALL LIES!

She really disgusts me.

Originally Posted by wifezilla

This seems like a good time to remind people of Kimmer's words during her Jimmy Moore interview...

"Jimmy: By the way, you look absolutely fantastic today and you seem to be so
much happier now as well. How has your life changed for the better since your
amazing weight loss success?

Kimmer: Thank you, Jimmy, I accept all compliments from handsome men! Losing 200 lbs has literally been like freeing an albatross from around my neck. I was so
desperately unhappy. Despite lying to myself that my size didn't matter, and
although I was blessed with good health despite 300+ pounds, I knew I was
harming my body.

Now, a slim size 4, I look back and wonder what took me so long to get serious? I
now fit into theater seats without even touching the arms! Seat belts aren't anxiety
provoking. My confidence has soared! No longer do I fear developing diabetes.
Few people are aware that it doesn't take very much extra body fat to develop
Type 2 diabetes and once you do, it's for life. You can manage it, but the damage
to cells never disappears.

But probably the most blessed part of being thin and healthy is the pride my
children have in me. No longer do I wonder whether they might be embarrassed by
their 318-pound mom at school events or the mall. It almost seems as though they
show me off!"

Of course, Jimmy's comment about her looking fabulous was based on her FAKE AFTER PHOTO. Kimmer never would meet with Jimmy.

[AllieCat0817]

Didn't I read in here that Heidi did have gastric bypass surgery? Or is that just 'hearsay'? If so, now we know why she knows so much about gastric bypass patients.

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by Cryssi

My grandmother was an alcoholic, my mom is a recovering one.

When my GM was alive, she was always worried about everyone else drinking. I think she thought if she pointed it out and kept focus on it, it would take the light off of her.

My mom was the same before she went into AA/recovery.

NOT, saying this is Kimmer, but it is just my personal take on why she would maybe accuse you.

I too have a brother that is an alcoholic so I definitely know about the disease. Hey when I was in my 20's I loved to party and drink but it sure isn't that way anymore I'm too old to go through hangovers.

You definitely hit on something though. I'm sorry you had to experience family members going through the disease. It's not fun!

[Leashy]

Originally Posted by AllieCat0817

Didn't I read in here that Heidi did have gastric bypass surgery? Or is that just 'hearsay'? If so, now we know why she knows so much about gastric bypass patients.

There was another forum of sorts that had someone we thought was kimmer asking post bypass questions.

[ixtapacheryl]

"But probably the most blessed part of being thin and healthy is the pride my
children have in me. No longer do I wonder whether they might be embarrassed by
their 318-pound mom at school events or the mall. It almost seems as though they
show me off!"


I thought she had that disease where she doesn't go out in public?

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by AllieCat0817

Didn't I read in here that Heidi did have gastric bypass surgery? Or is that just 'hearsay'? If so, now we know why she knows so much about gastric bypass patients.

AllieCat:

I thought it was a tummy tuck and her (insurance paid for it)....

[Carolina Rose]

Originally Posted by wifezilla

Kimmer: Thank you, Jimmy, I accept all compliments from handsome men! Losing 200 lbs has literally been like freeing an albatross from around my neck. I was so desperately unhappy. Despite lying to myself that my size didn't matter, and although I was blessed with good health despite 300+ pounds, I knew I was harming my body.

Blessed with good health? I thought she was on medical disability? I thought by her own admission she was severely hypothyroid?

[AllieCat0817]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

AllieCat:

I thought it was a tummy tuck and her (insurance paid for it)....

She def admitted to the tummy tuck on here. But a few pages back someone posted that who they thought was Kimmer was posting on a Gastric Bypass forum. I don't know when that was or if it is true but I know I read it in this thread a few pages back. I'll try to find it.