Why the fascination with Kimmer?

[Cutie]

Originally Posted by Doodle_in_MA

I was following that thread. The woman got really mad after Kimmer told her to eat less. She got mad at the people that were trying to help her. She thought THEY were sabotaging her! It was so sad!

[vintagecoils]

Originally Posted by Paty

KimATC feels betrayed by Kimmer.

If you think the "beat down" on Kimmer's plan was undeserved, I strongly suggest you read the 300+ pages of this thread.

Kimmer's plan and advice have proven to have dangerous side effects. That is the main point if you choose to overlook the fact that Kimkins founder is morbidly obese and has lied about it for years.

I did clarify the possibility I had the wrong ID of who KimATC was. But since my free time is so limited I wanted to give my support for the plan. I may start reading again but most of what I read was not supported with facts and contridicted other facts from other sources. I agree that Atkins and Protein power taught the same concept. However Atkins was to timid to come right out and say it. Protein power hid this same plan in the footnotes and information in their book. Having taken some nutrition classes and done much research. I have yet to find the real facts of any harm in what she presented. Having used her concept for a year after using other plans I can report no negative side effects. On the contrary in numerous ways only huge positve results. I also recommended this to someone I know with blood sugar problems and they have had marked improvements and now the doctor told them how surprised at the progress they have made and to keep it up.

As in all things each person in this day and age has to work through their health issue depending on thier history, but to give it a blanket demonization with no statistical or proper evaluation can cause a prejudise and deny opthers good information. She has not claimed to be a doctor. And all on these forums are free to consult with one. I recall the beat down on Atkins and low carb in general just a few years ago and now much of that has changed.

I have used this plan for the basis of my family's well fare now and I feel confident in the positive benefits we have recieved.

I will read the remaining threads but for the many I read there was no evidence backed up with good facts to support the idea that this is harmful to the general public.

[stews]

Originally Posted by vintagecoils

I agree that Atkins and Protein power taught the same concept. However Atkins was to timid to come right out and say it. Protein power hid this same plan in the footnotes and information in their book. Having taken some nutrition classes and done much research.

same concept? no, atkins AND protein power do not teach ultra low calorie levels and starvation, or the use of exlax or lack of exercise, or even lack of vegetables (that's right, you can have PLENTY of vegetables on atkins especially AFTER the first 2 weeks of induction) as a concept.

[AllieCat0817]

Originally Posted by celeste

I have known Kim ATC for many years, and I know her story and situation. This posting is definately from KimATC - lets not make this any more painful for her. She is turning to us for support, just like Demi, Becky, Amy, etc. did.
to KimAtC!

No I just think the person who thought KimATC was Kimmer was genuinely mistaken.

[DivaHerself]

Originally Posted by MorganMacLeoid

a fairytale that only the desperate and cognitively dissonant are believing in.

And since there is no reasoning with willful denial...

[missis36]

Originally Posted by Yelnats

And how did that work out for them?? They were harassed and vilified for it. And both of them had the best of intentions, their only crime was losing a lot of weight and being proud enough of it to want to share with others. If Kimmer is a fraud, fine, go after her. Why not leave all the others alone.

Welcome to the thread...and please feel free to read up on it...however keep in mind NO ONE is picking on anyone but Kimmer. Occasionally there will be someone who comes in, makes a few snide comments then leaves but eventually their comments get deleted for being rude. So please before you pass judgement read EVERY comment in this thread and then make your comment about what is going on here.

I don't mean to sound rude but you will see that the regular posters here just wish to welcome all kimmer refugees and we DO NOT bash them. At all. See the terms of service, it's not allowed.

Again welcome though we are happy to have you here

[Locarb4me]

Vintagecoils, I can understand where you're coming from.

Well, you at least owe it to yourself to read This, This and This.

Perhaps those will shed some light for you

[StephanieK]

Originally Posted by vintagecoils

Realizing that now but the thread did open with a negative slant towards Kimmers and I wanted to give my support for the plan. I did say I wasn't sure if it was her. I just did not have the time to go through all 300+.

Hurray for Kimmer's Plan

Here's how it worked for Kimmer. Seriously, keep reading the thread for the truth. But here's a picture of Kimmer before and current as of 8/15/07. Congrats on your weight loss and best health wishes for you.

[Tennis4.0]

Originally Posted by vintagecoils

I will read the remaining threads but for the many I read there was no evidence backed up with good facts to support the idea that this is harmful to the general public.

There are lots of posts with proof within this thread. But, there are also other forums on this board that share your views.

[Chrissykin]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

You have 90 days to open a dispute. PayPal once froze my account with $300 in it for 32 days, so please know that they are quick to freeze.

Also, it will take at least 3 days to have that money transferred to a bank account. So get to disputing because PayPal, at least, freezes the amount in dispute.

It's been six years since I sold on ebay so things may have changed with paypal. But my recollection is you don't need a checking account. You would just be unconfirmed. Also, she may have a paypal debit card and could pull out her money through any ATM machine.

[Cryssi]

Originally Posted by vintagecoils

I did clarify the possibility I had the wrong ID of who KimATC was. But since my free time is so limited I wanted to give my support for the plan. I may start reading again but most of what I read was not supported with facts and contridicted other facts from other sources. I agree that Atkins and Protein power taught the same concept. However Atkins was to timid to come right out and say it. Protein power hid this same plan in the footnotes and information in their book. Having taken some nutrition classes and done much research. I have yet to find the real facts of any harm in what she presented. Having used her concept for a year after using other plans I can report no negative side effects. On the contrary in numerous ways only huge positve results. I also recommended this to someone I know with blood sugar problems and they have had marked improvements and now the doctor told them how surprised at the progress they have made and to keep it up.

As in all things each person in this day and age has to work through their health issue depending on thier history, but to give it a blanket demonization with no statistical or proper evaluation can cause a prejudise and deny opthers good information. She has not claimed to be a doctor. And all on these forums are free to consult with one. I recall the beat down on Atkins and low carb in general just a few years ago and now much of that has changed.

I have used this plan for the basis of my family's well fare now and I feel confident in the positive benefits we have recieved.

I will read the remaining threads but for the many I read there was no evidence backed up with good facts to support the idea that this is harmful to the general public.

Keep reading, hon. Many members have posted links on information about how dangerous thsi type of diet is.

[missis36]

Originally Posted by mum22

There are lots of posts with proof within this thread. But, there are also other forums on this board that share your views.

Yup and no one here said if you are being healthy about it you should stop. Call your diet whatever you want but the long and short of it is you are doing stillmankins. Not Kimkins. As she's a fraud and a rip-off.

[missis36]

Originally Posted by Chrissykin

It's been six years since I sold on ebay so things may have changed with paypal. But my recollection is you don't need a checking account. You would just be unconfirmed. Also, she may have a paypal debit card and could pull out her money through any ATM machine.

Yup but if she's being investigated and it's been frozen she's not getting squat. I know this to be fact.

[vintagecoils]

Originally Posted by CarolinaRocker

maybe you should continue reading.....and find out "why" this thread really exists.

Kimmer herself couldnt stick to her "plan" yet she tells everyone she has maintained her loss for 6 years and is making alot of money as a "thin" person when in fact she is far from it.

Yes I read quite a few and I am not claiming to know Kimmer, all I was wanting to do is give my support for the plan. I found it to be sound in its approach and supported by facts. whether she herself could not maintain it does not really surprise me and if she did fall into a fraudulent claim I canot tell. The plan works, it is however presented in protein power as well as atkins though in an obscure manner. I only know I am glad she presented it. If succuss caused her to fall into corruption that is not new.

I do not forsake my faith in Christ because one of my priest fell into sin and deception. Nor have I given up on our way of government because many of the people who profess it and are representative of it are corrurpt and have lied. If it is indeed wrong I will need to find the true facts. If not it should not be condemned with out them.

[stews]

Originally Posted by vintagecoils

it is however presented in protein power as well as atkins though in an obscure manner. I only know I am glad she presented it. If succuss caused her to fall into corruption that is not new.

again, and quite simply put. this is wrong. they are NOT the same concept. low carb, yes, but I don't care how many times you say it's the same in an obscure manner, that just is NOT true. Kimmer's starvation concept (ultra low calories is NOT the same as Atkins or protein power).

[Chrissykin]

Originally Posted by missis36

Yup but if she's being investigated and it's been frozen she's not getting squat. I know this to be fact.

She may have already gotten her money out. Also, if the account is frozen she wouldn't be able to accept new payments via paypal right? Like I said it has been several years since I have dealt with paypal.

Is she still accepting payments via Paypal? does anyone know?

[Yelnats]

Originally Posted by missis36

Welcome to the thread...and please feel free to read up on it...however keep in mind NO ONE is picking on anyone but Kimmer. Occasionally there will be someone who comes in, makes a few snide comments then leaves but eventually their comments get deleted for being rude. So please before you pass judgement read EVERY comment in this thread and then make your comment about what is going on here.

I don't mean to sound rude but you will see that the regular posters here just wish to welcome all kimmer refugees and we DO NOT bash them. At all. See the terms of service, it's not allowed.

Again welcome though we are happy to have you here

Thanks for the welcome. I am reading, and reading and...... However, both of them have received many hateful comments, some from names of current posters here. And now Tippy Toes is on the receiving end. I may show as a new poster here, but I have been around the boards for a while, first lowcarbed in 2000. (Never should have quit, 'cause high carb = a big booty on me!) I am currently cycling plans as TT suggests, Kimkins /Atkins, and it is working for me so far. 55# - since end of June. I'll keep reading, and ......

[jenna...]

Originally Posted by Elloise

I have a question. Since Heidi certainly appears to be a seasoned con artist, why in the world would she use her real name? And the names of her children and home town? I have no doubt that the woman posting under the name of Kimmer is the lady seen in the survailence photos. I also have no doubt that this woman committed all crimes that have been dug up, but I'm beginning to doubt that Heidi Diaz and Brandon are the real names for these people.

It's just that con artists tend to stay under the radar as much as possible and spending years on a website like this giving out all of this personal information just doesn't seem like the actions of an experienced scam artist. Unless, of course, that Heidi Diaz really isn't her name.

My name isn't Elloise. Not that I've done anything wrong. But I am from Wisconsin!

I think it's because some Con Artists have a false sense of how smart they are and how dumb we are.

HA! I see a lot of us had a simular answer.

[scottish steve]

Originally Posted by vintagecoils

I do not forsake my faith in Christ because one of my priest fell into sin and deception.

Not a relevant comparison.
People here are questioning the source , not the followers.
The source in this case is a proven scammer.

[stews]

Originally Posted by scottish steve

Not a relevant comparison.
People here are questioning the source , not the followers.
The source in this case is a proven scammer.

true

[vintagecoils]

Originally Posted by missis36

Where you will likely not get a response as she's got some packing to do.

Also you might want to read up on Atkins 72 and Stillmans, as the plan you so happily promote is a mixture of the 2. I may have done the same plan 4 yrs ago by tweaking the plans to fit but I didn't charge anyone 60 bucks and call it missikins. Sheesh!

I know that her plan was built off of other plans but I recall her saying that in her very early postings. Pilates were developed from yoga and other fitness also. But that is how new items hit the market. Building off of the information and break throughs of others. Many people said that Atkins was developed from a previous plan which was from the Paloe concept. Protein power greatly parrelells what was called the Biblical diet. The Quartz watch added one different feature of the original wind up clack and literally knocked the Swiss wind up clock off the map. Building on existing information to bring a new method or concept is perfectly legall and perfectlly the capitalist method to make money off of it. Her plan is not identical to Atkins, nor Protein power nor Stillmans. How overlapping is Russian ballet method to French ballet method to now the new Madonavon(pardon my speling) Method.

I still don't see what was wrong with her putting her own name on a different method and starting a web site. Half the movie stars out there profess to have a new fitness routine or weightloss and make money off of them. Several of those have now been challenged as to just how much they really work or are good for you. But people can choose to use then or not. I love the Cher aerobics routine and have loss fat and kept my heart rate up. Some poeople say it doesn't work at all.

[CarolinaRocker]

Originally Posted by vintagecoils

I do not forsake my faith in Christ because one of my priest fell into sin and deception. Nor have I given up on our way of government because many of the people who profess it and are representative of it are corrurpt and have lied. If it is indeed wrong I will need to find the true facts. If not it should not be condemned with out them.

Thats going a little overboard don't ya think? Comparing Christ and the Government to "Kimmer's" plan?

Good luck to you....and I mean that.

[stews]

atkins 72 was only supposed to be low THAT extreme of lc for ONE week, and then you were supposed to gradually add carbs back in to find your critical carb level. AND, it wa