Why the fascination with Kimmer?

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by hdgirlie49

Hi guys,

Yes, I am fifty and definately knew that going that low in calories was stupid and dangerous.

Remember though that the recipies in the WW article were not really the same as the the diet once you joined.

I paid the 59.95 and I did lose 27 lbs really fast. The weight loss was addictive! Getting on the scale to a pound loss every day was delightful!

I never stalled, but I did almost pass out while driving my 3 and 8 year old grandchildren around.

I still thank all of the folks who have kept this thread going. I had gotten down to 500 calories a day without really paying attention to it.

I am use to low carb and have lost on Atkins and PP before. I have read all the books, some two or three times. I knew that I should not feel that bad!

What about the younger person who has never really been on a diet or does not know anything about the low carb lifestyle. They don't know that you are not suppose to feel sick for that length of time. They are just excited to have found something that works. If I had not done my own research I probably would have kept on. In fact if I had been in my twenty's or thirty's I know I would have. Who the hell has time to read and do research with kids, work , homes and the like!

I am mainly a lurker here and there. The people on the Kimkins site are some of the nicest folks I've ever read. Very supportive of each other. I truly hope that they are able to see that most of the people that have kept this thread up really care about them!

The diet is dangerous! Even the posted plan is to low in calories and nutrients to do for any length of time.

I'd sure like my 60.00 bucks back but more than that I'd like all the folks at Kimkins to know that you can still lose the weight doing a more sane diet.

I have lost nine pounds since I quit following the Kimkins plan doing a very clean Atkins (none of the bars and sweets- fresh veggies and chicken, steak and chicken sausages-I love those things with some great olive oil and my newmans own)

Peace! Valerie

Good for you!!!!!!

[ixtapacheryl]

Valerie --- I remember you and I'm so happy to hear you are ok and still losing by adding in the right foods. When I read your post about your grandchildren I was so worried about you.

I too hope you get a refund! You could buy at least a few packages of steaks with it....

[Goddessrhi]

Originally Posted by LucillaArmadillo

Atkins all the way! It's healthy and normal. I am energetic, healthy and losing at the rate of 1/2 to 1 lb a week. It's not fast but it is steady and I know I will not be half dead at the end of my journey.

Amen. This is what the Kimkins disaster has taught me. Its about being healthy and losing the weight the right way, not having it pour off me and end up with a wrecked metabolism.

[megpie]

Originally Posted by MacNut

My family has a business. Quarterly taxes are based on the amount you owed in taxes the year before. They are called estimated payments. If she made hardly any money last year, she could make millions the next year, and as long as she paid on time each quarter 1/4th of the taxes she paid the year before, she would have no penalties. Her new major taxes would be due April 15, 2008. She could make interest on the money until it was time to make the April 15, 2008 payment. Even if she (or her money holder) didn't make enough quarterly payments or didn't pay all of it on April 15, 2008, so long as she (or her money holder) declares the money accurately on a return, she would not be defrauding anyone. Businesses and people do it all the time.

I have never been charges sales tax for any internet membership I have joined, so I don't think there would be a sales tax on the membership fees.

What is RICO and how was it violated?

When I incorporated my business, I had to do an estimate on what I anticipated earning. Based on my answer, I was required to file quarterly.

Lemme go look up the RICO laws.

[missis36]

Valerie as has been said before, if you paid through paypal dispute it for not getting your ebook. That was one of the things you were supposed to get for your money. I think Kimpossible has the original tos saved, perhaps she can post that so you can use it in your defense.

[FirmJuneBug]

Originally Posted by missis36

I didn't follow that diet. I have never followed any diet other than Atkins, and a very bad case of anorexia when I was a kid, which I've posted about before. My point in saying that was mean was that there are people out there who DO NOT KNOW how to diet, and when you read a magazine that says it's better than gastric bypass and you try it you shouldn't be called stupid. Essentially you are now both saying it's all "their" fault if someone followed her advice. I disagree. I think if you do not know anything about dieting and you try the diet especially following her advice and realize you are losing weight you may not know it could hurt you badly. That's the point I'm making and I stand by it. I'm not perfect hence I would NEVER call someone stupid for what they chose to do to lose weight. I do find the fact that a morbidly obese woman charged people money to give potentially dangerous diet advice disgusting.

I do believe that we are all responsible for what we do to ourselves but I also don't judge people who believed the information they were getting from mainstream media. Sorry.

Well, that we can agree upon.

I still maintain if you're willing to drop 60 bucks on a diet website, you should have investigated what the diet plan is all about. I feel zero sympathy for anyone who signed up for Kimkins without knowing what they're in for, no matter how titillating the promises made in WW were.

60 bucks is a lot to spend on something one has no clue about!

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by megpie

When I incorporated my business, I had to do an estimate on what I anticipated earning. Based on my answer, I was required to file quarterly.

Lemme go look up the RICO laws.

Exactly!

RICO is a federal law. Running a business connected with illegal dealings. The Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (commonly referred to as RICO Act or RICO) is a United States federal law

[RockyMtnAngelEyes]

Originally Posted by hdgirlie49

Hi guys,

Yes, I am fifty and definately knew that going that low in calories was stupid and dangerous.

Remember though that the recipies in the WW article were not really the same as the the diet once you joined.

I paid the 59.95 and I did lose 27 lbs really fast. The weight loss was addictive! Getting on the scale to a pound loss every day was delightful!

I never stalled, but I did almost pass out while driving my 3 and 8 year old grandchildren around.

I still thank all of the folks who have kept this thread going. I had gotten down to 500 calories a day without really paying attention to it.

I am use to low carb and have lost on Atkins and PP before. I have read all the books, some two or three times. I knew that I should not feel that bad!

What about the younger person who has never really been on a diet or does not know anything about the low carb lifestyle. They don't know that you are not suppose to feel sick for that length of time. They are just excited to have found something that works. If I had not done my own research I probably would have kept on. In fact if I had been in my twenty's or thirty's I know I would have. Who the hell has time to read and do research with kids, work , homes and the like!

I am mainly a lurker here and there. The people on the Kimkins site are some of the nicest folks I've ever read. Very supportive of each other. I truly hope that they are able to see that most of the people that have kept this thread up really care about them!

The diet is dangerous! Even the posted plan is to low in calories and nutrients to do for any length of time.

I'd sure like my 60.00 bucks back but more than that I'd like all the folks at Kimkins to know that you can still lose the weight doing a more sane diet.

I have lost nine pounds since I quit following the Kimkins plan doing a very clean Atkins (none of the bars and sweets- fresh veggies and chicken, steak and chicken sausages-I love those things with some great olive oil and my newmans own)

Peace! Valerie

Valerie, I remember your story vividly. I am SOO happy you're OK.. That scared me so badly...

[LC2003]

Originally Posted by KarenG

Re-reading the Kimmer thread is kind of humourous, in light of recent events.04-18-2006, 04:15 PM #25 (permalink)
Kimmer
Way too much time on my hands!

Someone has posted a court appearance record for her in 2000 and her weight was 165 lbs then. Maybe she has lost her weight as she claimed but she did not keep it off.

Kimkins diet is a low calorie diet which is comparable to weight watcher's. I once heared that 97% of weight watcher dieters gain their weights back during the 5 years period following the diet.

[LadyJ]

Request for Kimkins Investigation Petition


I signed.

[FirmJuneBug]

Originally Posted by hdgirlie49

Hi guys,

Yes, I am fifty and definately knew that going that low in calories was stupid and dangerous.

Remember though that the recipies in the WW article were not really the same as the the diet once you joined.

I paid the 59.95 and I did lose 27 lbs really fast. The weight loss was addictive! Getting on the scale to a pound loss every day was delightful!

I never stalled, but I did almost pass out while driving my 3 and 8 year old grandchildren around.

I still thank all of the folks who have kept this thread going. I had gotten down to 500 calories a day without really paying attention to it.

I am use to low carb and have lost on Atkins and PP before. I have read all the books, some two or three times. I knew that I should not feel that bad!

What about the younger person who has never really been on a diet or does not know anything about the low carb lifestyle. They don't know that you are not suppose to feel sick for that length of time. They are just excited to have found something that works. If I had not done my own research I probably would have kept on. In fact if I had been in my twenty's or thirty's I know I would have. Who the hell has time to read and do research with kids, work , homes and the like!

I am mainly a lurker here and there. The people on the Kimkins site are some of the nicest folks I've ever read. Very supportive of each other. I truly hope that they are able to see that most of the people that have kept this thread up really care about them!

The diet is dangerous! Even the posted plan is to low in calories and nutrients to do for any length of time.

I'd sure like my 60.00 bucks back but more than that I'd like all the folks at Kimkins to know that you can still lose the weight doing a more sane diet.

I have lost nine pounds since I quit following the Kimkins plan doing a very clean Atkins (none of the bars and sweets- fresh veggies and chicken, steak and chicken sausages-I love those things with some great olive oil and my newmans own)

Peace! Valerie

My goodness, that's quite a story! I'm glad you quit the madness.

What I find the most unforgivable and disgusting about Kimmer is her advocacy of laxatives. Especially since she claims they're not addictive. Laxative use combined with an ultra low-calorie diet is indistinguishable from an eating disorder!

[Boujie]

Who paid for the private investigator? Anyone know?

[LucillaArmadillo]

Almost every time I try to visit the KK website this evening I cannot get in. I get a "no page here" message. It must be one busy place today.

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by Boujie

Who paid for the private investigator? Anyone know?

I have no clue, but I'm glad they did.

[MacNut]

Originally Posted by megpie

When I incorporated my business, I had to do an estimate on what I anticipated earning. Based on my answer, I was required to file quarterly.

Lemme go look up the RICO laws.

As long as your quarterly tax payments equal the amount you owed the previous year (actually 110% of the previous years tax owed), you can't owe any penalties for underpayment on quarterly tax payments. You will still owe the full amount of tax owing at the end of the year, but there will be no penalty for underpayment. So it is best to just bank that money until it is really due and make interest on it.

Our accountant has advised us to do this in the past when we knew we were about to have some really good windfall years. We paid quarterly payments based on the prior year and banked the money we knew we would eventually owe in taxes later that year. The money sits in the bank until April 15th gaining interest.

This is an article that covers a scenario from 2006 payable year with 2005 being the previous year.

Determining Estimated Tax Payments

The safest option to avoid an underpayment penalty for 2006 is to aim for "100 percent of your 2005 taxes." If your 2005 adjusted gross income was more than $150,000 (or $75,000 for those who are married and filing separate returns in 2005), you will have to pay in 110% of your 2005 taxes. If you satisfy either test, you won't have to pay an estimated tax penalty, no matter how much tax you owe with your 2006 tax return.

[hdgirlie49]

Thanks Cheryl,Tooter, and Kiki, for your support! I only wish that other folks would have a little more empathy for the people (Not me folks, I'm O.K. your O.K.) that have been following the diet here and at the paid website. It must be special to be so smart and perceptive.

[megpie]

Originally Posted by megpie

When I incorporated my business, I had to do an estimate on what I anticipated earning. Based on my answer, I was required to file quarterly.

Lemme go look up the RICO laws.

Here's a good bit on RICO.

RICO ACT, Jeff Grell, Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations, RICO, Attorney at Law - Civil RICO in a Nutshell

[Ayrlin]

Someone of us have been hatin for a couple years and have called BS for a couple years and got called meanie buttholes for it by other posters, but I mean come on the first picture and the second her supposed before and after are obviously the same person at differant stages in life, the blue shirt one I kimmer AKA Hedi and the white shirt one is the same person but much younger, I mean look at the photo quality, look at the cloths and the hairstyle dont tell me people can not see it is obviously an older picture.

The 3rd and 4th picture are not her at all, heck just take the hair out of the picture because it dosnt matter, the face would remine the same no matter what and the faces are differant, drasticly differant. Not to mention she has been caught in numerous lies before, fitday numbers did not add up and she came up with a differant story all the time, the weight story changed quited a bit a few times, from starting at 200 something to 300 etc.

I mean if looking at teh pictures is not enough there are many other things to look at, I wish there was a way we could see old posts from 2003 and before because her story changed several times over the years.

[ixtapacheryl]

Getting Heidi on the RICO law would be a stretch according to my DH. Now he's been known to be wrong at times so don't hold him to it.

I also just figured out why I was refunded my money within 5 minutes of being banned - she knew my husband was an attorney.

Does the gal that started that fund raising for Heidi's foster kids have a list of all that donated? Too bad she can't get a hold of those individuals so they could notify the proper agency.

[megpie]

To file a complaint with the Internet Crime Complaint Center (a wholly owned subsidiary of the FBI ), you can go here. Please note, not only those who have been victims of fraud, but those who are third parties to the fraud can also file a complaint.

http://www.ic3.gov/

[CarolynF]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

Getting Heidi on the RICO law would be a stretch according to my DH. Now he's been known to be wrong at times so don't hold him to it.

I also just figured out why I was refunded my money within 5 minutes of being banned - she knew my husband was an attorney.

Does the gal that started that fund raising for Heidi's foster kids have a list of all that donated? Too bad she can't get a hold of those individuals so they could notify the proper agency.

I think the people first tried to donate through Paypal, then that wouldn't work for some reason, so she told them to send checks to her brother's address or something like that..The fundraiser didn't have any idea who gave and who didn't.

[megpie]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

Getting Heidi on the RICO law would be a stretch according to my DH. Now he's been known to be wrong at times so don't hold him to it.

I also just figured out why I was refunded my money within 5 minutes of being banned - she knew my husband was an attorney.

Does the gal that started that fund raising for Heidi's foster kids have a list of all that donated? Too bad she can't get a hold of those individuals so they could notify the proper agency.

True, to convict her of RICO would be difficult, but to charge her with it would be relatively easy. The issue of fraud would have to be proven, which I think is a no-brainer, but what do I know. I'm not an attorney, though I did stay at a holiday inn express last night.

What will ultimately be her downfall is the use of the mail system.

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by Goddessrhi

Amen. This is what the Kimkins disaster has taught me. Its about being healthy and losing the weight the right way, not having it pour off me and end up with a wrecked metabolism.

AMEN!!!!!

[daisyspring]

Originally Posted by LucillaArmadillo

This is a real eyeopener to good people everywhere who think that because they are honest that most people are. IMHO Kimmer is probably running more than one con. As prolific of a poster as she is, as charasmatic as she is online, I'd almost bet hard cash that she's got a couple of other little scams running online. Hey, that's not a real shabby place she's living in. In California a place like that is not cheap.

There was no way I ever bought that the lithe little woman in the red dress was a 49 yr old 200 lb. weight loss result...yet her story sounded so convincing that I bought into it.

Kimmer will not go down in flames at her site. It doesn't matter that she's made fools of the people who believed in her...that she's a liar and a con, people don't want to believe they've been taken for a ride.

To those who have been conned, don't worry, be happy...and add more fat and veggies to your diet and be satisfied to lose slowly and healthily. I have been, I am, and I will be...long after the unhealthy ones give up and stop trying.

Atkins all the way! It's healthy and normal. I am energetic, healthy and losing at the rate of 1/2 to 1 lb a week. It's not fast but it is steady and I know I will not be half dead at the end of my journey.

If the pictures are of "kimmer", then I hope her website goes down and she
is in lots of trouble.
It doesn't look good, it does look like she is a fraud and a liar. If that woman in the pictures isn't Kimmer, then it would be very easy for her to prove otherwise.
I'll continue doing the diet because it works well for me, I've been doing it since June. I stopped losing on my other diet and switched to Kimkins.
I tried Atkins a few times as a teenager, but it never worked for me. My parents lost a lot doing Atkins, but they both stopped losing.
I am healthy doing kimkins, my Dr. monitors my weight loss and I do lab every 2 months. I've been doing that for a year, I just went to see him and I'm doing great.
I couldn't do the diet if it was making me ill or taking away my energy, I have almost 10 month old twins to take care of and play with.

I don't feel conned by "Kimmer" because I never signed on to her site. I never paid a dime to do this diet and I have never given a blankety blank about Kimmer. I feel so awful for those who did though.

I wont be half dead during or after my journey either, I'm more alive now
than I have been in years.
*I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just speaking my point of view.