Why the fascination with Kimmer?

[SPECK]

I don't really care if it's her but I can assure you that the lady in the red dress is NOT in her twenties. That I know for sure. And if I had lots of $$$$$$$$ I would bet anyone who says otherwise.

I've been in my twenties and now in my 40's.

[Heather150]

Originally Posted by cutepixy

If she hasn't said something we all didn't know then why is she getting flamed for it .... cause she's getting money for it Why keep up the hate? why not get back to supporting others weight loss no matter how they do it.

I will not respond to how she treated people as I was not there for that.

There are no haters here. I don't 'hate' her, cuz I don't know her. Who really does? That's the point. Dr Atkins, Dr so and so, and whomever, have never hidden from their identities while advertising their plan. For some reason, her pictures and web sites etc don't add up. I certainly wouldn't give someone $60 of my hard earned money and they aren't being honest and forth-coming. If it were me, I'd want my face plastered, especially if I believed what I was selling was the best darn diet to ever face this earth. Ya know?

I support anyone here.If you don't know my screen name, be all means,look at my past posts. I try to help encourage, support, ALOT. If you want to do kimmers, so be it. I won't say its wrong. When you post that you couldn't do it, you binged, you ate peanut butter (GASP) or had a piece of cheese, I will then try to help you and explain to you there are other plans out there that might suit you.

My opinion is just that. And so is yours. Unfortunately, alot of people have the same opinion as me. Doesn't that send a little flag of ? Just a little?

[Jake]

Originally Posted by cutepixy

Sorry I dont really understand your comment??

I could have stated it better. My comment is that when discussing matters of health and physiology, of course being an MD adds credibility.


The second half of my comment was to point out that I have no inherent bias for or against Kimkins or Kimmer. I don't know her, and I plan on trying her plan soon. I'm kind of on the fence on the whole Kimmer thing - but I think to say that being an MD doesn't add credibility to one's position is borderline arguing just to be argumentative.

[emily1965]

I was digging around in some old posts last night and came across one where someone was talking about having very limited LC choices for a week and that they just made the best choices they could with what they had at the time because it was better than starving.

Kimmer came along and told her it wouldn't have hurt anything to have just not eaten anything for that week. Pretty much implied that it would have been the better choice.

[Jake]

Originally Posted by emily1965

I was digging around in some old posts last night and came across one where someone was talking about having very limited LC choices for a week and that they just made the best choices they could with what they had at the time because it was better than starving.

Kimmer came along and told her it wouldn't have hurt anything to have just not eaten anything for that week. Pretty much implied that it would have been the better choice.

I could kind of see her point, although it depends on your priorities I suppose. It would only be the "better" choice if the top priority was staying below a certain carb count or something. "Better" is subjective.

[cutepixy]

Originally Posted by Heather150

There are no haters here. I don't 'hate' her, cuz I don't know her. Who really does? That's the point. Dr Atkins, Dr so and so, and whomever, have never hidden from their identities while advertising their plan. For some reason, her pictures and web sites etc don't add up. I certainly wouldn't give someone $60 of my hard earned money and they aren't being honest and forth-coming. If it were me, I'd want my face plastered, especially if I believed what I was selling was the best darn diet to ever face this earth. Ya know?

I support anyone here.If you don't know my screen name, be all means,look at my past posts. I try to help encourage, support, ALOT. If you want to do kimmers, so be it. I won't say its wrong. When you post that you couldn't do it, you binged, you ate peanut butter (GASP) or had a piece of cheese, I will then try to help you and explain to you there are other plans out there that might suit you. I have never put down her 'plan' other than to say I myself don't believe in it, don't believe her, and until I see proof, I probably won't...but that's me. I won't speak for anyone else. My opinion is just that. And so is yours. Unfortunately, alot of people have the same opinion as me. Doesn't that send a little flag of ? Just a little?

If I cant do a diet then its my fault not the diet's fault, I chose to have something that I knew I was not to have. As long as i have done low carb dieting there have always been bing eating and cheats from nearly everyone, and if you are not in that category then congrats to you.
I don't believe everything that she says about her diet either however I will say a lot of you that want the proof sound a awful lot like those nay sayers did when Atkins first came out. I don't have any questions regarding her plan as I chose to educate myself on her plan take what I want and leave what I don't. Everyone tweaks there diet plan doubtful if there are tons that keep to a diet as it is plainly stated.

[pink parsley]

Originally Posted by SPECK

I don't really care if it's her but I can assure you that the lady in the red dress is NOT in her twenties. That I know for sure. And if I had lots of $$$$$$$$ I would bet anyone who says otherwise.

Hell, Red Dress looks like she could be anywhere from 20 to 40. Who knows?

There is a reason people care if it is her or not. If it's not her, isn't that fraud? And if it isn't her, and Women's World published that without her permission, wouldn't you want to set the record straight?

I've been in my twenties and now in my 40's.

Yep, if you are in your 40s now, then, yes, you were once in your 20s.

[CarolynF]

Well, some of us oldies remember the controversy on the Starvation Mode.
Kimmer didn't believe in it...Remember that one?

[cutepixy]

Happy Cricket
Sorry I am a nurse and I work with a ton of Dr's some are awesome and some are really terrifying. I do not hold all faith in someone because they have a MD behind there name. I have seen way to many mistakes to blindly follow what someone says because they are Dr so and so. I am not meaning to be argumentative at all I just do not believe in following someone blindly because of a few initials after there name

[Deb294evr]

Originally Posted by AriAnne

Even with the recent lettuce leaf?

I remember her saying that she does not use Fitday for herself anymore, only to occasionally check items she has a question about.

[Chrissykin]

How is this different that say Suzanne Somers. She took an idea from some doctor in France repackaged it and made millions upon millions with it?

She says right in her books she got in in France.

[Psi]

Originally Posted by Chrissykin

How is this different that say Suzanne Somers. She took an idea from some doctor in France repackaged it and made millions upon millions with it?

She says right in her books she got in in France.

we all know what she looks like

and even after sx her overall bone structure did not drastically change

[Pipper]

Originally Posted by Lisa Marie

In my opinion, we can still support each other in our journey to lose weight and get healthly, but at the same time can question something that is as suspicious as this. I don't doubt for a minute that you can lose weight on Kimkins, although I personally had problems with her promoting weight loss with zero exercise and only drinking diet sodas, no water. It's not my choice as a weight loss plan, but I'm not going to tell someone else not to do it if it works for them, just as I wouldn't bash WW even if it didn't work for me.

I think the fact that she is running a business and taking other people's money (a lot of money it seems) but she seems to be posting after pictures that aren't her leaves her plan open to scrutiny. One would think that if she truly changed her life and her body with this WOE and wants others to buy into her plan, she would be open and honest with her before and after pictures.

Now she's making money off of a Kimkins cruise, but won't be going on the cruise herself. That's a giant red flag to me.

But again, these are my opinions and the fact that I'm questioning Kimmer doesn't mean I won't support people on this board who choose to use her plan to lose weight.


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How is she making money off the cruise? How did you find out she isn't going on the cruise?

[Jake]

Originally Posted by cutepixy

Happy Cricket
Sorry I am a nurse and I work with a ton of Dr's some are awesome and some are really terrifying. I do not hold all faith in someone because they have a MD behind there name. I have seen way to many mistakes to blindly follow what someone says because they are Dr so and so. I am not meaning to be argumentative at all I just do not believe in following someone blindly because of a few initials after there name

I don't believe that Heather said she puts "all faith" in the Doctors she listed, or that she "believes in blindly following them". Also, she didn't list the terrifying doctors you've worked with, she mentioned the very specific Doctor's such as Dr. Atkins.


This is what I mean by "being argumentative just to argue". She didn't say any of that stuff... And neither did I. So why are you arguing the point? What does this add to the discussion?

[Psi]

Originally Posted by Pipper

How is she making money off the cruise?

If she wasn't getting a percentage off of the amt of pple signing up with the promotional "kimkins"code it would not be on her site

[Lisa Marie]

Originally Posted by Pipper

How is she making money off the cruise? How did you find out she isn't going on the cruise?

She's promoting it her website and her name is being used to promote the cruise. I cannot imagine that she isn't profiting from this, not to mention the promotion of her website and the items she sells through her website on the cruise itself.

On her website, the cruise is described in detail, with no mention of Kimmer attending. Typically, when a cruise of this sort is put together, the main reason people want to attend is to have the opportunity to meet the person... Like Rosie's family cruise and the like.

[Heather150]

And following blindly of someone who 'claims' they lost 200 pounds in 11 months just by eating how she describes? How is that any different?
I agree having an MD doesn't necessarily make you the most honest stand up person-it takes all types, and there are bad doctors as well as good ones...but I do find someone more credible with a medical background (went to school for 8 + years) than someone who is on a message board or made their own website.

[Just4Me]

Cutepixy, the "MD" issue and the photos issue go to Kimmer's/Heidi's/Whoever's credibility, not to proof of the plan.

[Pipper]

Originally Posted by Lisa Marie

She's promoting it her website and her name is being used to promote the cruise. I cannot imagine that she isn't profiting from this, not to mention the promotion of her website and the items she sells through her website on the cruise itself.

On her website, the cruise is described in detail, with no mention of Kimmer attending. Typically, when a cruise of this sort is put together, the main reason people want to attend is to have the opportunity to meet the person... Like Rosie's family cruise and the like.

Oh ok, I thought you knew for sure she was profiting. I think someone else is setting it all up. I never heard anyone say Kimmer was going on the cruise and now has backed out of it.

I thought it was for anyone on her website to get together and have fun. I never heard it being promoted to meet Kimmer.

[AllisonB]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

Well, some of us oldies remember the controversy on the Starvation Mode.
Kimmer didn't believe in it...Remember that one?

A lot of people don't believe in it, including some physicians and weighloss experts.

[Deb294evr]

Originally Posted by Heather150

Only when fasting was the topic. When asked how she lost the weight-it was Kimkins. For her to say she fasted along with low calorie eating wouldn't sound so fantastic now would it? To me that sounds like a bad crash diet. Right?

I was here when she posted alot, and I clearly remember her saying she fasted on the weekends. She repeated that many many times. She did this when she talked about losing her weight.

If you look at her old Fitday's, back when she used it for her personal selections, she listed her weekend fasts.
She had broth, tea, and other beverages.

[AllisonB]

Another example of supposition assumed to be fact, and taking on a life of its own. I don't begrudge anyone their doubts, but keeping it factual would make the arguments more convincing.

[CARLINI]

Originally Posted by SkeeterN

I have no problem with legitimate plans but do have problems with plans that could make someone sick.

agreed

[Melle's_Sweetheart]

Actually, if you click on her fitday journal, she does have days of eating even less than that (June 17, 2007 total 193 calories), June 2, 2007-
a lettuce leaf, April 21, 2007 221 calories, etc etc. Maybe that is to
balance out eating too much on other days so making it average out to
be the amount on average per month whatever calorie range she wants.

Kimmer has done what ALL of us have done on occasion--go into Fitday to check the calorie/carb count of something we're making or eating. On the days that she has 200 calories, it's likely she's just checking calorie counts. I wouldn't expect someone who has lost 200 lbs to be STILL plugging all her values into Fitday...by now, she knows how much she has to eat to maintain. She alluded to this on one of her threads, although I don't recall which one at this very moment.

Please consider the following:

What if Kimmer was the type of person who didn't like to be recognized/identified online? We all know people like this--I have a friend that won't even let me email photos of her children to other people! Some people are INCREDIBLY paranoid of the internet....

What if (like many of us) she still feels "fat"? Even when I lose weight, I hate having my photo taken. I've heard others say that if they lose their weight they're going to be "photo hos", but y'know what? You won't know how you feel about that UNTIL you meet goal. Give the woman a break, maybe she HATES having her photo taken!

My sister is a makeup artist. She can make ANYONE look younger by filling in lines with thick, cake makeup. This is generally what photographers use to make people look fabulous before a "shoot". That, coupled with air brushing, can make someone look COMPLETELY different. I'm surprised that no one has considered that since she's advertising her site, she JUST MAY HAVE HAD PROFESSIONAL PHOTOS MADE. My wedding pictures don't look like me AT ALL...probably because of the talent of my awesome Sister...but you know what I'm saying here...

...and SO WHAT if she's had plastic surgery? I don't understand why so many people are getting so bent over this! If you disagree with her program, DON'T FOLLOW IT....if you feel that her charging money for her program is wrong, DON'T BUY IT.....There are thousands of diet plans for sale online....I voice my disapproval by NEVER buying them!

Please don't forget...Kimmer gave TONS of advice for free on THIS site for YEARS. I've never seen anyone so patient in my entire life. I've been here since 2003 and I was VERY sad to hear that she'd left. If she's making money by sharing her knowledge, then GOOD FOR HER! Why isn't it ok for her to make money????? (and don't say she ripped off ATkins...cause Atkins ripped off Banta...)

Why is so much importance placed on whether she posted her own photos or not, whether she has surgery and her age? Why is that so important? I don't understand why her photos make her a "fraud" as someone mentioned in another thread. Those who are following her program will quickly let everyone know if the diet is fraudulent. Kimmer is selling a weight loss system...she's not selling HERSELF.

This BS reminds me of all the people who cut up Dr. Atkins after he died. Y'all should think about your motives.

[Heather150]

In her Ask Kimmer threads, just the first page she states she maintains by not eating whites-sugar/flour, eating lean protein and low cal veggies. She doesn't come out and say Oh yea, I also fast to maintain. This in the first page of the thread. On how she describes what Kimkins is, it doesn't state to fast to get faster loss. It states her 'rules' but no mention of a fast. That is my point.