Why the fascination with Kimmer?

[RockyMtnAngelEyes]

Originally Posted by SMP

It depends greatly on what those vLCD are composed of. Lettuce? You'd be dead in short order with most of your fat intact. Highly nutritious food with a more than adequate vitamin and mineral regime can be successful for a healthy person; so I agree with you. BTW, it wasn't my DD who died after gastric surgery, it was her unborn child conceived a few months later on a grossly inadequate diet. We buried the poor wee thing after 7 months gestation. Then DD's hair and nails started growing again.

I'm so sorry...

[Cutie]

Originally Posted by SMP

It depends greatly on what those vLCD are composed of. Lettuce? You'd be dead in short order with most of your fat intact. Highly nutritious food with a more than adequate vitamin and mineral regime can be successful for a healthy person; so I agree with you. BTW, it wasn't my DD who died after gastric surgery, it was her unborn child conceived a few months later on a grossly inadequate diet. We buried the poor wee thing after 7 months gestation. Then DD's hair and nails started growing again.

oh my...i'm so sorry!

[RockyMtnAngelEyes]

Originally Posted by Therese

When I asked where your Kiki and Cheryl where, my post was deleated

You found us now!!!

[Therese]

And happy to be here

[Therese]

Kiki,

See my post above. I did not do well on Kimkins. i have tried to council others however I think most will decide for themselves. I worry about the others.

[Cutie]

Originally Posted by Therese

And happy to be here

hey there!

[RockyMtnAngelEyes]

Originally Posted by Therese

Kiki,

See my post above. I did not do well on Kimkins. i have tried to council others however I think most will decide for themselves. I worry about the others.

I didn't realize when I read that post it was yours.. No you didn't do well.. There's no reason to go thru that.. I know I did, but that was when I was battling the ED.. Between child birth {2-14 months apart and that, my hair will never be the same}

When I was there, I tired to give the right answers to people, but the, one that shall not be named, always came in a shot my answer down... I learned fast, it was doing no good...

If I can help you in anyway, please let me know! I really am worried about them, over there...

[Cutie]

Originally Posted by Therese

Kiki,

See my post above. I did not do well on Kimkins. i have tried to council others however I think most will decide for themselves. I worry about the others.

i worry too! that's why i'm kind of excited to see these new sites popping up today...this on top of jimmy pulling his support will hopefully be "eye opening" experiences for some

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by anani

Hello Everyone!

Wow, I see I am going to have a difficult time keeping up with this thread. I couldn't get on much to read yesterday and it just took me an hour to catch up and I had to do some serious skimming over

Welcome Anani: What I would do if I were you is PM someone in your group about something nonsensical and say you'd like to send her an article on making ice cream, whatever - and ask for her regular e-mail. That way it won't draw attention to anything more serious of someone read your PM.

I too felt bad I couldn't tell some of the gals why I haven't been back (I too was banned). I can't even get on the Home Page..... I know exactly what you are going through .... it feels like you are in prison - looking over your shoulder and around every nook and cranny! It truly is ridiculous. I'm glad you are posting here. We really are a great group of people - not morons

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

What makes this even more interesting is the site was supposedly created to protect free speech. Charter members were promised there would not be any deleting or censorship going on. What a difference a year makes.

Exactly - that is what she told me. She said she didn't want it anything like LCF where posts get deleted. We could ask away and even post links and she didn't care....

[CarolynF]

I guess Kimmer wants to stop a Mutiny.. Even on Piratemaster, they could
vote off the Captain..

[Therese]

Even though I was and still am a loorker, isn't good to see old friends.

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by Carolina Rose

anani ~ first of all ....

I'm pretty much in the same boat as you as far as the Kimkins site goes. However, I have been posting occasionally, dropping some "gentle" low carb advice to the many there who complain about hunger, weakness, and not feeling well.

However, no way there are "thousands" of postings there a day. If there are 200 new posts there a day, I'd be shocked. Regardless of what those ridiculous "online" numbers used to say, there's usually not more than 50 at a time viewing the boards there.

I hope I didn't offend you by my stating this and I'm sure K wishes there were thousands participating but everything I have observed there is quite to the contrary.

I agree with you! That is what disappointed me when I was a member. I would occasionally go onto the site and there were no added new posts .... and what was there was just a few new ones every couple of days.... I was getting absolutely nothing from her site.

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by Therese

When I asked where your Kiki and Cheryl where, my post was deleated

Oh I'm sorry and here you were just being inquisitive! That is so sad - an honest question and it gets deleted. She really wanted us to disappear didn't she?

[Cutie]

omg! and yet ANOTHER new anti-kimmer site! morgan posted about this on another site...

Kimkins Dangers

[HevinMonkey]

Originally Posted by Madmoxi

I saw this and thought I should post, chewing ice (or clay or any non-food) is a sign of pica behavior, usually caused by a mineral deficiency, most likely iron but it can be any mineral.

A bad diet can bring this on, it also happens to some (undernourished) pregnant women.

Their bodies are trying to tell them something, like FEED ME!!!!

Sandi

This is also something quite common among the pro-anas. They are absolutely starving but are so afraid of calories that eating food terrifies them so they try to find substitutes for food, such as ice, rice paper, and even tissue paper.

The side by side comparisons of the two "WONE" (Kimkins and pro-ana) are too scary. For example, beyond all that has already been discussed on this thread, to many anorexic people "Ana" is a real being that exists in their head and tells them what to eat, berates them when they have made "poor" choices (like eating), and praises them when they do "good" (like not eating). She literally takes mind and emotional control over them and their entire world becomes focused on food - on the terror of eating it and ending up "fat". They become so afraid of disappointing "Ana" that when they do start to "see the light" a little, *she* lures them back in. This is just terrifying what these people are going thru.

This is so similar to what I see in how Kimmer attempts to gain mind control over those who follow her plan - and before anyone jumps on me - first go read the comments section at Jimmy's site where she told her members how they could post, when to leave,etc., as well as other posts of hers that have been posted here. I am not making it up - Kimmer has spoken for herself and left no room, or need for conjecture on this point.

ETA - Another striking similarity is the whole "toughness issue" - of which we saw so much of on JM's comment frenzy yesterday with the Kimkins members. Those with ED's will frequently beat themselves up for being too *Weak*, for giving in to eating, for not being "tough enough" to go the whole day with no food, etc.

[MorganMacLeoid]

And another new blog - Kimkins Dangers

I recognized ePurdle's name on the Anti-Kimkins blog from the podcast comments the other day. Dunno about the others.

I love the Kimkins Survivors one.. beautiful but terribly sad that it's even needed (though I know it is).

[anani]

Originally Posted by icandoit2

A couple of people were commenting on the low number of posts over at the KK board. One of the first things that came to mind was the post over there from the person concerned that posts are being copied and pasted over here and other places. I'm sure that has to be some of it because a couple of people chimed in agreeing with her. Honesty, I have to agee with her too. Those people paid to join a private site (me included). Just because we have access to it doesn't mean we can take stuff from there and post it here. That is against the agreement we made when we joined.

I know everyone here is trying to help them. But how is copying there posts over to here gonna help anyone? So everyone can sit around and go "oh poor little girl, so sad". Instead of that, how about commenting back to her, "yea, your calories more than likely are too low, your fat intake probably is too". No one is gonna ban you for saying that. I do it all the time. I am constantly telling people I eat around 700-900 calories a day and more than 30g of fat. No one has ever scolded me for saying that. As long as I am a member, I will continue to tell people to increase their calories and fat intake.


In the end, copying the posts over to here is just gonna make some stop posting that are having problems. Those that end up getting hurt because they were too afraid to ask a question...that is what is gonna be sad. That is something I have been thinking about quite a bit for the past couple of days.

Just my opinion.

I do agree with some of the points you made and I shouldn't have copied the posts verbatim. You're right..people have a right to their privacy. However my motives in copying it here were not to illicit an "oh that poor girl" reaction. It was to make people here even more aware of the very real danger of this site. With actual facts. Members like this girl are in a life threatening situation. And there are many like her. We CAN help people by hearing stuff like this. You're right...our pitying them isn't going to help, but the more people who are aware of actual facts and situations, and are in a position to actually do something tangible to stop it, are going to have more information and a clear to actually work with.
I don't plan on copying and pasting anything else over here. This particular one had a particularly profound effect on me and pretty much epitomizes what Kimkins is about.
And BTW I do encourage people to up their calories and fat. However people don't want to hear it. For every one of me there...there are 10 or more telling her to cut back farther.

[Cutie]

Originally Posted by MorganMacLeoid

And another new blog - Kimkins Dangers

I recognized ePurdle's name on the Anti-Kimkins blog from the podcast comments the other day. Dunno about the others.

I love the Kimkins Survivors one.. beautiful but terribly sad that it's even needed (though I know it is).

omg...i'm gonna need to keep tissues handy for that one. *gulp*

anani, princess, therese...you should all go post your stories there...

and who else? i know there were others who shared their stories here with us already?

[juniper01]

While I agree that it probably is not a good idea to copy and paste verbatim posts from Kimkins site here, it may be a good idea for someone with access to the site to copy some the the ludacris responses and keep a file on their hard drive in case the posts "somehow" get deleted on the Kimkins site. Having proof of the horrible misguided answers to questions may be needed if Kimkins is investigated. Just a thought?

[OceanBlue]

Originally Posted by anani

And BTW I do encourage people to up their calories and fat. However people don't want to hear it. For every one of me there...there are 10 or more telling her to cut back farther.

There are but if we continue, some will stop and think, "hey, someone told me to increase my calories and fat, I'll try that and see if I feel better". When you feel like crap for days or weeks on end, you get to a point where you will try anything. That is how I figured it out, someone on the KK site told me to increase my fat.

Edited to add: I was just looking at the site, in the veggie forum someone was trying to start a boot camp for the veggies. The menu was MORE than questionable. Two members stepped in questioning it and guess what? Looks like the veggies are questioning it themselves. They have stopped posting to it.

I don't think it would be too terribly hard at this point, to bring it down from the inside if done in a tactful and respectful way. Members are questioning what is going on.

[HevinMonkey]

Originally Posted by icandoit2

In the end, copying the posts over to here is just gonna make some stop posting that are having problems. Those that end up getting hurt because they were too afraid to ask a question...that is what is gonna be sad. That is something I have been thinking about quite a bit for the past couple of days.

I get what you are saying, so I am not disagreeing with you on that at all, as I personally have no opinion on whether its right or wrong to copy posts to another site.
Besides posts from Kimmer the only posts I have *personally* seen copied to this thread are those that demonstrate the "extremes" people are going to in their diet and the complete lack of anyone in a position of responsibility standing up and saying "Wait a minute....".
So, what I would like to ask that you think about is why do you think anywone would be afraid to ask a question because they think it might be posted over here? The only logical answer I can see to that is that on some level within themselves they know there is something terribly wrong with what they are doing, and questioning.
I don't post anything on this board that I would care if it showed up somewhere else. If I did care then it would indicate that there was something wrong, that I would feel I had something to be ashamed or embarassed about. If anyone feels that way at all, that they don't want their question to come under scrutiny outside the safe walls of KimkinsLand, then there is already a problem - and one that we are not contributing to by reposting here. In fact, I feel that if they see their post here and at the same time see we care, not just tell them to suck it up and tough it out, then it might help to start the process of some much needed eye opening. Just my opinion though.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by Nady

You are exactly correct! And yes, properly done, it is an amazing tool~ for me, it seem to sort of 'reboot' everything~ and no, it doesn't ruin the metabolism if done properly.

I would invite anyone interested in learning more to read the first post of the **Make it Fast** thread for links to fasting information.
~~~N

OK, I read a few. Then I investigated an old fasting thread from 2003, started by Kimmer. She sounded a totally pleasant, encouraging poster, complained about her breath turning off her co-workers, warned a new poster not to drop too low because already she was at a good weight for her height.She was drinking water during the fast (trying for 30 days) and complaining about zits and oily skin, but her eyes were clearing up, making her contacts work better. She didn't advocate exercising while fasting, but couldn't exercise if she wanted to. The formerly broken bone in her foot was starting to act up as well. IOW, she sounded like a real nice person. Kimmer, what happened to you in the last 4 years? You've gone from a "good guy" to the "guy with the black hat!" I, for one, feel sorry that things have gone down this way.

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by anani

Actually, I thought of this after I first posted that and I think I will give this a shot. It's interesting though. This is/was one of the busiest groups on the site and has been going for over a year. Many many posts