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MAJOR LCF POSTER!
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Olympic Peninsula, WA
Posts: 1,187
Gallery: mermaid
Stats: 293/227/145
WOE: very low carb
Start Date: been at it a long time--never give up!
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happy girlie girl!
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MAJOR LCF POSTER!
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Olympic Peninsula, WA
Posts: 1,187
Gallery: mermaid
Stats: 293/227/145
WOE: very low carb
Start Date: been at it a long time--never give up!
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It's what the Calling all Kimmers maintainers... thread has kind of morphed into. For me, it's da bomb.
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Blabbermouth!!!
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I agree. Additionally, I'm confused by the comments about low-fat causing gallbladder problems. I had my gallbladder removed several years ago (1992), and my diet at that time was high carb-full fat (a lot of fast food). Eating high fats would almost always send me into a gallbladder attack, and both my personal doctor and the surgeon advised me that the high fat in my eating both caused and aggravated the condition. The hospital gave me a video of the surgery (laparoscopic) and when my gallbladder was "collapsed" to remove it, it looks like it's full of rocks (the many, many stones).
Regardless of anyone's view or opinion on Kimmer or the Kimkins plans, the rude, sometimes personal, and often childish comments from both sides are uncalled for. This ranges from comments about cupcakes to cults. |
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Junior LCF Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Detroit Lakes, Minnesota
Posts: 42
Gallery: The Bunnell Farm
Stats: 360/310/180
WOE: Atkins
Start Date: November 2006
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I still think that Ketosis is simply our body chemistry reacting to to much fat stored. It can't do it's job when we keep lambasting ourselves with sugar and carbs which are unnatural to our systems and messes up our body chemistry which normally is perfect. So when we remove the unnatural sugar and unnatural carbs our body chemistry naturally senses that we are to fat and Ketosis kicks in and starts burning fat so that we can regain our perfect health. A perfectly natural process that would not have had to be if we hadn't consumed all of the unnatural sugars and carbs in the first place that made us fat!
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 454
Gallery: CJane
Stats: 190/165/125
WOE: Atkins-ish/PP-ish/No Grains EVAH!
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*snip* Low Calorie Diets and Gallstones Weight loss dieting increases the risk of developing gallstones. People who lose a large amount of weight quickly are at greater risk than those who lose weight more slowly. Rapid weight loss may also cause silent gallstones to become symptomatic. Studies have shown that people who lose more than 3 pounds per week may have a greater risk of developing gallstones than those who lose weight at slower rates. [...] ____________ I understand that fats can cause flare-ups in people who already have gallstones, but the cause of the gallstones can be from a diet like Kimkins. I am also aware, Allison, that we are on opposite sides of this debate where Kimkins is concerned. I will continue to voice my opinions and concerns, just as you will, and we may just have to agree to disagree. ![]() |
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happy girlie girl!
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i got an email from someone asking me not to be upset with "special k"...she went on to explain some personal tragedies special k is facing and she's just not herself right now....
for the record, if anyone cares... i'm not upset with "special k" or really any of the kimkins supporters. i recognize that we're all in different places of experience and personal application of these experiences. |
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 401
Gallery: sammymomma
Stats: 299/284/180
WOE: Atkins
Start Date: 12/28/2008
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Largo, FL
Posts: 181
Gallery: wendykp
Stats: 221/173/145
WOE: lowfat+very low carb+IF
Start Date: 5/07
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Cutie, I do post on the maintainers thread altough I haven't reached goal yet, since the idea of cycling and healthy thinking is encouraged there. I don't want to embarass you, but reading your posts on ALC was one of the factors that made me chose my woe. You just made so much sense, something I found lacking in alot of other threads, lol.
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Very Gabby LCF Member!!!
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: My Alternate Parallel Universe
Posts: 4,109
Gallery: Locarb4me
Stats: 200/185/150
WOE: Healthy stuff, mod to VL carbs
Start Date: 6/12/07
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Did you not see that it was MY DOCTOR who told me that the Kimkins diet may have led to formation of gallstones? I'm not making it up.
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and you may read the rest of this article here: Weight reduction and gallstone formation Nutrition Research Newsletter - Find Articles If you are really concerned with the truth, just google gallstones and dieting. You will get page after page of confirmation that very low calorie low fat diets do in fact cause gallstones. Especially in people with high serum cholesterol, which I also have. |
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Blabbermouth!!!
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Volunteer State
Posts: 7,318
Gallery: Sweeteater
Stats: Starting over 01.08
WOE: Lower Carb
Start Date: February 15, 2001
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 416
Gallery: aloise
Stats: eeek!/sigh../Yeah!!!
WOE: low glycemic load; real food
Start Date: Aug 1, 2007
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I gather from this that to keep the gallbladder healthy, you should have at least one meal of at least 10 grams of fat, and at least 30 grams of fat total (still not much!). |
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examinations. Dieting subjects were placed on a 2,100 kJ/day diet consisting of 74 g protein, 49 g carbohydrate, and 1 g fat. Initial body weights averaged 105.9 [+ or -] 3.8 kg (162% of ideal weight) and dropped to 89.4 [+ or -] 3.2 kg (137.3% of ideal weight) after eight weeks. After four weeks on the diet, four subjects had developed gallstones and one subject had sludge as well. After eight weeks, 13 people had gallstones, two of whom had sludge and one of whom required surgery. No signs of gallstone formation were observed among the non-dieting subjects.
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 454
Gallery: CJane
Stats: 190/165/125
WOE: Atkins-ish/PP-ish/No Grains EVAH!
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Nowhere have I stated that vLCD's are the only cause of gallstones, but there is scientific evidence that it is a cause. Will everyone get gallstones being on a vLCD? Hard to say, but the evidence points to a much greater chance. And that is only one of the health risks associated with vLCD's. |
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 416
Gallery: aloise
Stats: eeek!/sigh../Yeah!!!
WOE: low glycemic load; real food
Start Date: Aug 1, 2007
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![]() However, based on several studies, you need a certain minimum amount of fat at once for your gallbladder to empty properly. Last edited by aloise : 07-28-2007 at 12:49 PM. |
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Very Gabby LCF Member!!!
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 454
Gallery: CJane
Stats: 190/165/125
WOE: Atkins-ish/PP-ish/No Grains EVAH!
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It is just a heads up to those who think that there is no good reason to eat more fat (thus upping their caloric intake, and possibly not losing weight at the speed of light). |
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MAJOR LCF POSTER!
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Kimmer's response to some members still reeling over JM's "annoucement." For someone who said she doesn't dwell on the "negative" and emphasizes only the "positive," I thought calling her doubters "recalcitrant morons" and "village idiots" was a bit harsh.
That's our Kimmer! (see last paragraph). [COLOR="Blue"]I understand everyone's sentiments. Believe me, I do. When Jimmy first started his blog he was working full time and the blogs were a hobby. The blog(s) grew in popularity and by adding sponsors they began generating decent income. Jimmy stopped his day job and focused on blogging to support himself and his family. Kimkins was only one of his sponsors. Every banner you see at Jimmy's blogs pay him for views, clicks, sales or whatever their arrangement is. Kimkins pays only for sales. His blogs are his business, no different than owning a paint store. The business must be protected and remain viable. I may not agree with his methods, but then I'm sure he'd run Kimkins differently, too. Many of you have shared secrets with me. Deeply personal and confidential secrets that I would never repeat. Not to another Kimkins member, staff member ... not even my sister. Jimmy is also a member and we've had conversations about his decision. As you would expect there's more to the story than written. As you would expect, I would never repeat those conversations. I will say that I encouraged him several times over the past week to do what was best financially for his family. Jimmy has been a good friend to us and no single person has done more to spread the Kimkins name. He made the introduction for Woman's World and was never compensated by Kimkins beyond his affiliate income. Some businesses may have paid a "finder's fee". We did not and Jimmy never asked. I must say, though, that of all people I never thought I'd have to teach Jimmy "Mr. Low Carb" Moore about Kimkins! I've got my work cut out for me. This morning someone sent a PM and asked if our website will be "OK". Would we close because Jimmy won't promote Kimkins? Would be close because of the naysayers? Absolutely not on all counts! Kimkins has 771 affiliates as of 3 minutes ago. Of those we have 5 (oops 4) "super affiliates". These are professionals who run affiliate programs as a full time business and generate nice commission checks. Jimmy was in that category, but wasn't #1. After Jimmy's post yesterday afternoon of pulling away from promoting Kimkins, we've had 17 new affiliates sign up. I guess they want Jimmy's spot. Bottom line: Only 34% of our sales (memberships) are affiliate referrals. We could cancel the affiliate program tomorrow and barely feel it. As for pulling the website because of the naysayers -- WHAT??? Smack them on their dumb heads and let's get on with what we do -- lose weight. The day that I do anything because of pressure from recalcitrant morons is the day the earth rotates off its axis. Take the site down because the village idiots are saying bad things about me? Puh-leeze! [/COLOR] |
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Way too much time on my hands!
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Arizona
Posts: 12,887
Gallery: Nady
WOE: LC/No Grains
Start Date: On & Off Since 1972
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I will give Jimmy more credit than that~ I think he woke up and actually, really did learn what Kimkins was about! There is a certain phrase~ *Guilty by association* ~ maybe Jimmy just couldn't afford to take the chance~ when the manure hits the fan, I mean~ ![]() ~~~N |
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Way too much time on my hands!
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Yeh, I got yer BBQ right here
Posts: 33,013
Gallery: DivaHerself
Stats: My ass is still big enough to kick yours
WOE: Wedding Cake Martinis, Darvocet & frozen Twinkies
Start Date: AS IF. Fix your own damn dinner.
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MAJOR LCF POSTER!
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,661
Gallery: juniper01
Stats: 242/180/145
WOE: Low(er) carb
Start Date: Dec 2003
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I very rarely if ever post, my comment is that because of "Kimkins", the medical community will be buzzing with activity with emergency gall bladder surgeries, and psychiatric couches filled with anorexics that don't know how to get out of the weight loss cycle without guilt. I am not a member of "Kimkins", I thought the whole program was nuts when I used to see it posted here. Most food log entries would rival a death camp victims. It is obvious to me that in their desperation to lose weight, many are losing sight of the fact that they are practising a weight loss program that eventually bite them hard with the problems it will produce in the future. The sick part will start to rear it's ugly head if young girls start to idolize "her" and her diet. The next ten years will produce a group of anorexics that will ruin their lives trying to follow this pie in the sky eating lifestyle, not to mention risking colon cancer. I hope the whole "Kimkins" THING falls flat on its face and the authorities jump in. Thank you all for being so diligent and bringing this woman who is clearly a rat to the forefront. It is my prayer that people following her diet now, wake up and realize the damage they are doing to themselves. Keep educating everyone, you brought me out from hiding.....I have not posted on a main forum in almost two years. Perhaps someone should contact Oprah, that would be a good means to bring her dangerous diet out in public view? Good job.
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Committed to Succeed
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Port Orchard, WA
Posts: 20,743
Gallery: Magicsmom
Stats: 282/212/140
WOE: Atkins
Start Date: January 2004 (with time off for rebellion)
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adjective 1. resisting authority or control; not obedient or compliant; refractory. 2. hard to deal with, manage, or operate. –noun 3. a recalcitrant person. It's funny, but I don't recall taking some oath of obedience when I registered. Why on earth would I be expected to treat her as an authority figure over me? I find the use of this terminology very interesting and provides an insight into how she views the membership (people) on her site. |
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Committed to Succeed
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Port Orchard, WA
Posts: 20,743
Gallery: Magicsmom
Stats: 282/212/140
WOE: Atkins
Start Date: January 2004 (with time off for rebellion)
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I already contacted the Dr. Phil Show and asked them to investigate this. Anyone else who feels led to contact a member of the media should do it. If they hear from more than one person about this, I can hardly see how they would not investigate it.
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 454
Gallery: CJane
Stats: 190/165/125
WOE: Atkins-ish/PP-ish/No Grains EVAH!
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Junior LCF Member
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I am *so* glad you all have had this thread! Not only does it get the word of warning out, but it gives those who are trapped a place to come to when they are ready to chose a healthy recalcitrance over bondage. Last edited by KandieSnap : 07-28-2007 at 03:06 PM. |
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MAJOR LCF POSTER!
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Madison, Wisconsin
Posts: 1,076
Gallery: weasel!
Stats: 153/144/125; 5'7", small frame
WOE: JUDDDD/EFGT/WAPF/whole foods
Start Date: recommitted to LC 3/11/07; start JUDDDD 6/08/09
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I'm fascinated by the persona of Diaz/Kimmer that I've seen unfold over the past couple of weeks, since I've been reading this thread and others, visiting the Kimkins site, and listening carefully to her podcast interview.
In CarolinaRose's post, the quote of Kimmer's message to her members, I notice that she implies -- she doesn't say directly, but she implies -- that Jimmy Moore ended his Kimkins affiliation because it would be better for his business. That he ended it because it would be better, moneywise, to do so. She paints herself as a selfless, kind person who allows him to abandon her for his own financial reasons. According to her, Moore cares more about money (or is desperate for money, since she mentions his need to support himself) more than his belief in what's right, or standing by a comrade who's under attack. This doesn't square with what Jimmy said in his "Bottom Of My Heart" apology post. He said that no amount of money was worth one's integrity. In other words, he said that ending the Kimkins affiliation would lose him money. Not the other way around. She doesn't come out and state this criticism of Jimmy -- and it is a criticism, an accusation of moral weakness. Instead, she couches it deeply in implication and transforms it into a statement about herself: She is strong enough to let him go, she played a part in what choice he ultimately made, she is above it all, she doesn't need him or his resources. And notice how she frames this message within the context of being a highly ethical, principled businessperson. To paraphrase: "I would never, ever, ever, disclose anything whatsoever about the private conversations I've had with Jimmy Moore about this matter. Except for this...."
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 416
Gallery: aloise
Stats: eeek!/sigh../Yeah!!!
WOE: low glycemic load; real food
Start Date: Aug 1, 2007
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if you google with [COLOR=Black]"[COLOR=Indigo]kimkins site:livinlavidalocarb.blogspot.com[/COLOR]"[/COLOR], you will see 2,100 hits. and these links are still there. and this is just one of his blogs. all these old blogs are out on the internet with a lot of people reading Jimmy's past praises about Kimkins. How many of you google looking for something, and happen to find a blog that is talking about it. Do you stop and say, oh is this the most current page for this information in this blog? I think most people just read what you find and click on the links that seem interesting in the blog, even if they never click the banners. Neither he nor Kimmer have really said whether Jimmy gets paid for people that click on the links as well as the banners. I can't believe that he would have links to Kimkins site that he wouldn't get paid for if someone took that link instead of the banner and signed up. and on the same note, if Kimmer did pay him before, and is not paying him now, because he is no longer an affiliate (which she implied in by saying others wanted Jimmy's place), then why would Jimmy continue to have these links to Kimmers site in his old blogs? Programmatically, they could easily be removed without changing the content. The name Kimmers or Kimkins just wouldn't be a link anymore.. it would just be text like the rest of the text. and Kimmer doesn't say whether Jimmy will continue to get paid for the old links that bring new customers. Perhaps I'm a skeptic, but I can't help but wonder by leaving all these old links to the kimkins site in his old blog, is Jimmy trying to have his cake and eat it too (lo-carb cake of course )?Last edited by aloise : 07-28-2007 at 03:11 PM. |
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MAJOR LCF POSTER!
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Canada
Posts: 2,090
Gallery: SMP
Stats: 300/220/160
WOE: Atkins
Start Date: Nov 2000
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) we may be forgetting a couple of salient facts. Fact#1: If it came to a legal challenge, Kimmer would most likely win, as she espouses the official gov't position of low fat eating. Her plan AS POSTED falls with acceptable limits, especially since Stillman had medical credentials.Fact #2. The Codex Alimentarius (ever heard of it?) is an international body of researchers whose stated position is that drugs, not food, are the way to future health. The US signed on in 1994, I believe. This is the biggest threat to the health food industry of all. By extension, it gives short shrift to ALL diet claims and supplements. We don't need to give it the sword with which to stab us through high gov't officials. Fact #3: Publicity is what gives Kimkins access to the obese and desperate in our society. We should work at least as hard to get the low carb message across as she does. (I'd rather build than destroy.) I'm sure there are more considerations, but I'm too tired to think of them right now. ![]()
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