Why the fascination with Kimmer? - Page 20

Bobbie · 07-04-2007, 08:35 AM

I just would like to know where the weight loss support is in this thread. The reason I come here is for support. I found alot of kind and generous people who are so positive and helpful on this site. I would never dream of attacking the plan that they are on even if it is one that does not work for me. Lord knows Atkins and Stillmans have taken there fair share of hits from the Dr.'s the media and the general public. If this post had remained about the pictures maybe I could understand. You guys are attacking peoples weight loss plans and that is in no way supportive.

HBGal · 07-04-2007, 08:35 AM

How old do you think I am?

Bobbie · 07-04-2007, 08:40 AM

I just would like to know where the weight loss support is in this thread. The reason I come here is for support. I found alot of kind and generous people who are so positive and helpful on this site. I would never dream of attacking the plan that they are on even if it is one that does not work for me. Lord knows Atkins and Stillmans have taken there fair share of hits from the Dr.'s the media and the general public. If this post had remained about the pictures maybe I could understand. You guys are attacking peoples weight loss plans and that is in no way supportive.

Pipper · 07-04-2007, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jezzie

Wouldn't it be wonderful if every middle aged woman could lose 200 pounds in eleven months,
not exercise ...
and yet look twenty years younger and be able to look good in a sleeveless dress.

I just don't think the woman in the red dress looks like she is in her 20's. I would say late 30's to early 40's.

The photo is a publicity shot. Why would she have a bad looking photo of herself to promote her website. I don't think she is going to have a pic of herself with flabby upper arms to promote her website.

She did say she has had surgery done.

We see pictures of famous people all the time and they look different in real life.

I have seen Faith Hill in person and she doesn't look anything like the pictures we see of her in magazines. In real life she looks life a tired 40 year old woman. The magazines make her look 15 years younger.

I do understand the controversy over Kimmer. I think we will find out the truth soon. I am even starting to doubt what I first believed.

imaloser2 · 07-04-2007, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Boujie

Pick me! Pick me!

I'll take fraud for $100 Alex.

You know after reading these post, and really unsure how I landed here, I have come to the conclusion this is some sort of witch hunt!!!!

It seems as if you would rather burn her at the stake or something than look at the real picture.... weight loss and better health!

Look at the threads..... are these people losing weight????......are they feeling better about themsleves?????.......Are they up and moving around now????? Does it really matter what plan or who came up with it, even if they may be a fraud? If the plan actually works and helps some one.....let the rest of the stuff go for goodness sakes! geez

Who really cares about her? Let her go and run her site! Just to post to say you "no" these are not her pics is somewhat lame! I myself feel proud for the ones who have followed her plan and have been very successful!

When I lost 116 lbs, people I knew for YEARS did NOT know me when they walked down the street and were shocked at the change! Those pictures are doctored up, make up artists, they are professional!

If we actually knew how many people we admire or have used products because of them, were actually frauds we would all be shocked I am sure! So much of what we do, listen to, eat, believe are given to us from someone who really does not care either way! If they can make you believe then they have done what they set out to do! As wrong as it is,,, it STILL happens!

But I am happy for the ones who are losing and feeling alive again! I really thought that is what Low Carb Friends was about, being helpful, becoming friends and supporting one another, no matter what plan you are one!

Boujie, what plan are you on?

emeraldskye · 07-04-2007, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by rhlong

actually people have said the exact same thing (that a plan is not sustainable) about atkins and weight watchers and almost any other plan. There is no woe that is for everyone. I have been eating lean protein and watching my calories (btwn 1200-1500) and fat and I feel great. And I have not been hungry.

The criticism I have with Kimkins is that when ppl eat too low of calories, she never encouraged them to eat more, and would say just eat if you feel hungry. Well I've found I don't lose weight unless I eat enough calories mainly because my body weight is too high now.

The difference is that people have proven that Atkins and WW are sustainable. Trust me if you were around when Kimmer was here and she saw you were eating 1200-1500 cals a day she would not have given you the time of day.

Who here or any where for that matter has been able to do KimKins long term? By long term I mean more than 2 years? I would venture to say no one. How long can someone live on chicken breast and egg whites?

Pipper · 07-04-2007, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tooter

How can a welfare Mom afford plastic surgery?

I don't think she is a welfare mom anymore. I think that was years ago when she had her first child. I think she said she had her first child when she was a teenager. She is a grandmother now. It was probably many years ago when she was on welfare.

I think she also said her insurance paid for her surgery. I believe she was in a HMO at the time.

Not sure on all of this so don't quote me.

Mimosa23 · 07-04-2007, 08:46 AM

I think people are free to ask questions and be doubtful about things.

I also believe people are allowed to try and change peoples minds with their arguments and opinions. It's called a good discussion.

For me, I do a Kimkins type WOE, because I'm impatient, and I don't lose on higher fat diets. It may not be as low calorie as some kimkins dieters, but it WORKS FOR ME. Anyway, that doesn't mean you can't question whether pictures are real or not.

Feel free to have an opinion, but try not to attack other posters in this thread personally. It's not nice.

That said, please continue, I'm waiting for the conclusion of this mystery!

Bobbie · 07-04-2007, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by emeraldskye

The difference is that people have proven that Atkins and WW are sustainable. Trust me if you were around when Kimmer was here and she saw you were eating 1200-1500 cals a day she would not have given you the time of day.

Who here or any where for that matter has been able to do KimKins long term? By long term I mean more than 2 years? I would venture to say no one. How long can someone live on chicken breast and egg whites?

But it would still be their decision, this is a plan on this site and this is a support site!

scottish steve · 07-04-2007, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by imaloser2

...... or something than look at the reall picture

...oh the irony

Pleiades · 07-04-2007, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobbie

But it would still be their decision, this is a plan on this site and this is a support site!

You get plenty of Kimkins support in other threads! Why attack the few threads that are legitimately concerned about her credibility?

luvdanrs · 07-04-2007, 08:51 AM

...........and the plot thickens ...hope that is all that is thickening!!! When she first started her site the money was to go to her Foster kids etc...oh how soon we forget...

And I am not a hater.... I have followed her plan and used to converse with her and defend her when she was here....but sometimes people forget where they come from... and the stories they wove...

Pipper · 07-04-2007, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by luvdanrs

...........and the plot thickens ...hope that is all that is thickening!!! When she first started her site the money was to go to her Foster kids etc...oh how soon we forget...

And I am not a hater.... I have followed her plan and used to converse with her and defend her when she was here....but sometimes people forget where they come from... and the stories they wove...

I thought only a portion of the money was going to her Foster kids.

HBGal · 07-04-2007, 08:54 AM

I don't think people honestly do Kimkins long-term. There's a maintenence phase, just like Atkins. You slowly add the right foods back in.

Lynda99 · 07-04-2007, 08:55 AM

Don't believe anything you see in any photo.

A person even moderately skilled in Photoshop can make a 350 pound person into 150 in just a few minutes.

luvdanrs · 07-04-2007, 09:00 AM

I believe if memory serves me correctly it she was going to use what the site generated to continue the site and the rest to the kids... but my server may be flawed...I am in my 40's ya know

luvdanrs · 07-04-2007, 09:04 AM

In regards to the plastic surger...well an HMO may pay for a lap band surgery... however they DO NOT pay for plastic surgery to the face....!!!

shelby7851 · 07-04-2007, 09:12 AM

People keep saying how they lost 100 lbs and nobody recognized them. Well, no kidding. That isnt up for debate.

The debate is that all of the AFTER pics look different. there is NO weight change in them. So why on earth would they look like COMPLETELY different people? And yes, we all know she had plastic surgery for loose skin, but even still, those pictures dont look like someone who had a face lift, or a nose job, they are d.i.f.f.e.r.e.n.t. people.

HBGal · 07-04-2007, 09:12 AM

I didn't say she had plastic surgery to her face. To her body, but not to her face. However, losing a large amount of weight DOES make people look younger. I have no doubts that she can be in her late 40's!

I_Write · 07-04-2007, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jezzie

Wouldn't it be wonderful if every middle aged woman could lose 200 pounds in eleven months,
not exercise ...
and yet look twenty years younger and be able to look good in a sleeveless dress.

YUP!!! That's the only thing that bothers me about deceptive photography... it gives false promises and sets people up with unrealistic expectations. I have been 200 lbs overweight. Even losing SLOOOOWLY, my skin is a wreck.... especially my arms. Even if I have surgery to remove the loose skin, I will still never look normal.

I don't really care if the pictures are all of the same woman. I spent my life wanting to look 'normal'. I can never look 'normal'. I am sick of false promises.

JadeRosie · 07-04-2007, 09:35 AM

Bobbie - I wish you luck with your weight loss. So many of us have been, or are currently, overweight and we understand how frustrating it can be. I really hope this plan works for you and you are able to maintain.

Bobbie · 07-04-2007, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JadeRosie

Bobbie - I wish you luck with your weight loss. So many of us have been, or are currently, overweight and we understand how frustrating it can be. I really hope this plan works for you and you are able to maintain.

Thank you!

Peony · 07-04-2007, 09:42 AM

Most of you are young. Lets remember that age is relative. When I was 20 or even 30, I thought that 50 was old. So for you who are in your twenties to look at a photo and guess the age isn't the same as someone older looking at the same photo.

I am getting ready for my 45th class reunion. do the math--that makes me almost 63. I found my HS graduation photo, my college grad photo, and many school photos after (I was a teacher). In the two graduation photos I weighed 153 and later I lost weight down to 138 when I was about 25-30 and then it settled at 150 for years. After kids and menopause, it slowly went up to about 250. But looking at those photos, you can certainly see it's still me.

As we age, things happen to our bodies and faces. Our skin looses some colagen and elasticity. The skin becomes thinner and has some fine lines and wrinkles. This starts to happen after 30 but by the time you are 47, you can definitely see the age. I have taken care of my skin and I avoid the sun, never smoked and have used moisturizers since I was 20. But I certainly don't look like that woman in the red dress!

If Kimmer had plastic surgery, you would see more of her bone structure in the face as the skin would be pulled tighter. The girl in red has a much wider cheekbone than the others. Also, the chin on the before photo is more pronounced and that would begin to sag a little as she lost weight.

As a portrait artist, I will tell you that I don't believe they are the same person. Tooter found a photo that looks like the first one on another site. Also the woman in the flowergarden by the iron fence is the same woman as the one in the blue. But the other's aren't.

This is my take--remember I've been around a long time and my business is to scrutinize faces.

Peony

sosumi · 07-04-2007, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Heather150

. . . [b]ut I have YET to hear from anyone who can continue to eat her way, without binging, cheating, feeling terrible, and keeping it off for years on end. Heck, even 6 months, before they go crazy and have a binge.

For the record, I lost 100 lbs in 1 year following Kimkins. 9/30/05 - 9/30/06. Today, 9 months later, I weigh 175. I have been in maintenance for the last 9 months. I have been taking a break from active weight loss due to personal reasons.

During the last 9 months, I have been able to enjoy many foods and a lot more calories than I ever imagined. I now make smart choices, like whole grain bread instead of white, or wild rice instead of white, etc.

Yes, it is possible to lose on Kimkins and keep it off. Granted, it hasn't been years yet, but I have no doubt I will maintain my losses for the rest of my life.

Kimkins is a weight loss WOE. I learned what true hunger was and I only eat when I am hungry. I make smart, healthy choices. It does not matter to me about the pictures or the background story. I am very happy to have found this plan. It worked for me. And I feel fantastic!

pink parsley · 07-04-2007, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mimosa23

I think people are free to ask questions and be doubtful about things.

I also believe people are allowed to try and change peoples minds with their arguments and opinions. It's called a good discussion.

For me, I do a Kimkins type WOE, because I'm impatient, and I don't lose on higher fat diets. It may not be as low calorie as some kimkins dieters, but it WORKS FOR ME. Anyway, that doesn't mean you can't question whether pictures are real or not.

Feel free to have an opinion, but try not to attack other posters in this thread personally. It's not nice.

That said, please continue, I'm waiting for the conclusion of this mystery!

I'm with Mimosa on this. I see no problems having a discussion about the origins of the plan, the business end of it, or anything else. Asking legitimate questions and having debate (and getting answers if we can!) is how we determine what are the best choices for us.

I'm also in the same boat weight-wise. It's working for me. I feel like I have enough choices in foods and meals to keep me going for a while. I'm adding more fat in and still losing. I'm not hungry and my appetite is under control. And I'm still working out. Those are all pluses for me.

There are downsides to every plan. But I would not want to discourage discussion and debate. My feeling is ... get it all out on the table. It doesn't threaten me in the least.

makeup · 07-04-2007, 10:12 AM

I really don't care if that is her pic or not. She has help me as well as countless others on this board. What I will say is EVERYONE ages differently. I think the woman in the red dress looks like many 47 year old women that I know. She does not look like anyone I know in her twenties. I see pictures all the time on this site and many many other that are women my age (37) that could pass for my mother. My own mother looks younger at 62 than most women that are in their 40s. I am certainly not here to defend Kimmer, as I don't know her outside of the internet. Just want to add some food for thought. I have had my picture posted on this site for limited times in the past. Yes, I have gotten PMs asking if that was really me. I find that amusing to say the least.

Love and Light,
Makeup

PS Peony is my favorite flower wink!

07-04-2007, 08:35 AM	#571
Bobbie I'm a giver! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Big Sky Country Posts: 7,894 Gallery: Bobbie Stats: OMG	I just would like to know where the weight loss support is in this thread. The reason I come here is for support. I found alot of kind and generous people who are so positive and helpful on this site. I would never dream of attacking the plan that they are on even if it is one that does not work for me. Lord knows Atkins and Stillmans have taken there fair share of hits from the Dr.'s the media and the general public. If this post had remained about the pictures maybe I could understand. You guys are attacking peoples weight loss plans and that is in no way supportive. __________________ PROUD MEMBER OF THE GETTIN' SERIOUS CHALLENGE 70 pounds gone since March 12 Last edited by Bobbie : 07-04-2007 at 08:39 AM.

07-04-2007, 09:42 AM	#593
Peony Senior LCF Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Central PA Posts: 855 Gallery: Peony Stats: Down 26 WOE: Atkins Start Date: March 2007	Most of you are young. Lets remember that age is relative. When I was 20 or even 30, I thought that 50 was old. So for you who are in your twenties to look at a photo and guess the age isn't the same as someone older looking at the same photo. I am getting ready for my 45th class reunion. do the math--that makes me almost 63. I found my HS graduation photo, my college grad photo, and many school photos after (I was a teacher). In the two graduation photos I weighed 153 and later I lost weight down to 138 when I was about 25-30 and then it settled at 150 for years. After kids and menopause, it slowly went up to about 250. But looking at those photos, you can certainly see it's still me. As we age, things happen to our bodies and faces. Our skin looses some colagen and elasticity. The skin becomes thinner and has some fine lines and wrinkles. This starts to happen after 30 but by the time you are 47, you can definitely see the age. I have taken care of my skin and I avoid the sun, never smoked and have used moisturizers since I was 20. But I certainly don't look like that woman in the red dress! If Kimmer had plastic surgery, you would see more of her bone structure in the face as the skin would be pulled tighter. The girl in red has a much wider cheekbone than the others. Also, the chin on the before photo is more pronounced and that would begin to sag a little as she lost weight. As a portrait artist, I will tell you that I don't believe they are the same person. Tooter found a photo that looks like the first one on another site. Also the woman in the flowergarden by the iron fence is the same woman as the one in the blue. But the other's aren't. This is my take--remember I've been around a long time and my business is to scrutinize faces. Peony __________________ Peony

07-04-2007, 08:35 AM	#572
HBGal Senior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: So. California Posts: 900 Gallery: HBGal Stats: size 16/13/4 WOE: Moderate Healthy Carbs	How old do you think I am?

07-04-2007, 08:40 AM	#573
Bobbie I'm a giver! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Big Sky Country Posts: 7,894 Gallery: Bobbie Stats: OMG	I just would like to know where the weight loss support is in this thread. The reason I come here is for support. I found alot of kind and generous people who are so positive and helpful on this site. I would never dream of attacking the plan that they are on even if it is one that does not work for me. Lord knows Atkins and Stillmans have taken there fair share of hits from the Dr.'s the media and the general public. If this post had remained about the pictures maybe I could understand. You guys are attacking peoples weight loss plans and that is in no way supportive.

07-04-2007, 08:46 AM	#578
Mimosa23 Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: State of perpetual confusion! Posts: 3,633 Gallery: Mimosa23 Stats: GOAL!!! Maintaining with a smile! WOE: Maintenance Mediterranean diet	I think people are free to ask questions and be doubtful about things. I also believe people are allowed to try and change peoples minds with their arguments and opinions. It's called a good discussion. For me, I do a Kimkins type WOE, because I'm impatient, and I don't lose on higher fat diets. It may not be as low calorie as some kimkins dieters, but it WORKS FOR ME. Anyway, that doesn't mean you can't question whether pictures are real or not. Feel free to have an opinion, but try not to attack other posters in this thread personally. It's not nice. That said, please continue, I'm waiting for the conclusion of this mystery!

07-04-2007, 08:51 AM	#582
luvdanrs MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 1,352 Gallery: luvdanrs Stats: 230/arrrrgggg/150 WOE: Atkins Start Date: December 2006	...........and the plot thickens ...hope that is all that is thickening!!! When she first started her site the money was to go to her Foster kids etc...oh how soon we forget... And I am not a hater.... I have followed her plan and used to converse with her and defend her when she was here....but sometimes people forget where they come from... and the stories they wove...

07-04-2007, 08:54 AM	#584
HBGal Senior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: So. California Posts: 900 Gallery: HBGal Stats: size 16/13/4 WOE: Moderate Healthy Carbs	I don't think people honestly do Kimkins long-term. There's a maintenence phase, just like Atkins. You slowly add the right foods back in.

07-04-2007, 08:55 AM	#585
Lynda99 MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 2,586 Gallery: Lynda99	Don't believe anything you see in any photo. A person even moderately skilled in Photoshop can make a 350 pound person into 150 in just a few minutes.

07-04-2007, 09:00 AM	#586
luvdanrs MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 1,352 Gallery: luvdanrs Stats: 230/arrrrgggg/150 WOE: Atkins Start Date: December 2006	I believe if memory serves me correctly it she was going to use what the site generated to continue the site and the rest to the kids... but my server may be flawed...I am in my 40's ya know

07-04-2007, 09:04 AM	#587
luvdanrs MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 1,352 Gallery: luvdanrs Stats: 230/arrrrgggg/150 WOE: Atkins Start Date: December 2006	In regards to the plastic surger...well an HMO may pay for a lap band surgery... however they DO NOT pay for plastic surgery to the face....!!!

07-04-2007, 09:12 AM	#588
shelby7851 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 887 Gallery: shelby7851 Stats: 246/226/199(mini) Start Date: 3/1/07 (again)	People keep saying how they lost 100 lbs and nobody recognized them. Well, no kidding. That isnt up for debate. The debate is that all of the AFTER pics look different. there is NO weight change in them. So why on earth would they look like COMPLETELY different people? And yes, we all know she had plastic surgery for loose skin, but even still, those pictures dont look like someone who had a face lift, or a nose job, they are d.i.f.f.e.r.e.n.t. people.

07-04-2007, 09:12 AM	#589
HBGal Senior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: So. California Posts: 900 Gallery: HBGal Stats: size 16/13/4 WOE: Moderate Healthy Carbs	I didn't say she had plastic surgery to her face. To her body, but not to her face. However, losing a large amount of weight DOES make people look younger. I have no doubts that she can be in her late 40's!

07-04-2007, 09:35 AM	#591
JadeRosie Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: District of Columbia Posts: 11,987 Gallery: JadeRosie Stats: 205/190/125 WOE: atkins Start Date: August 2008	Bobbie - I wish you luck with your weight loss. So many of us have been, or are currently, overweight and we understand how frustrating it can be. I really hope this plan works for you and you are able to maintain.

07-04-2007, 10:12 AM	#596
makeup MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 2,059 Gallery: makeup	I really don't care if that is her pic or not. She has help me as well as countless others on this board. What I will say is EVERYONE ages differently. I think the woman in the red dress looks like many 47 year old women that I know. She does not look like anyone I know in her twenties. I see pictures all the time on this site and many many other that are women my age (37) that could pass for my mother. My own mother looks younger at 62 than most women that are in their 40s. I am certainly not here to defend Kimmer, as I don't know her outside of the internet. Just want to add some food for thought. I have had my picture posted on this site for limited times in the past. Yes, I have gotten PMs asking if that was really me. I find that amusing to say the least. Love and Light, Makeup PS Peony is my favorite flower wink!