Why the fascination with Kimmer?

[Shaina]

Originally Posted by losinsusan

I have No disrespect for those who have ED...I have a daughter that has issues also...she just eats when she is almost falling down! She doesn't FOLLOW a diet! She follows what magazine COVERS look like. How the models are being presented. for one, think this is where we might want to go to protest.

Losingsusan, are you aware that Kimmer has placed bogus ads around the internet targeting teenage girls by claiming Lindsey Lohan, Paris Hilton & Nicole are all doing her diet and that anyone who walks down the red carpet that is a size 2 has done her plan also. But then she states in her Podcast that her plan is not intended for teenagers.

I truly hope your daughter is well.

[Diana]

Originally Posted by Shaina

Losingsusan, are you aware that Kimmer has placed bogus ads around the internet targeting teenage girls by claiming Lindsey Lohan, Paris Hilton & Nicole are all doing her diet and that anyone who walks down the red carpet that is a size 2 has done her plan also. But then she states in her Podcast that her plan is not intended for teenagers.

I truly hope your daughter is well.

Really? Wow..... can you share one of those ads so that we can see it?

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by Diana

Really? Wow..... can you share one of those ads so that we can see it?

Gosh, I can't remember how many pages back it is, but here is a start for ya.

This is from the Slamboard. Kimmers former business partner's (Catherine) Husband started it.

It has some information on it.

Slamboard » Blog Archive » Kimkins.com Part V - Celebrities on Kimkins?

[Diana]

Originally Posted by Tooter

Gosh, I can't remember how many pages back it is, but here is a start for ya.

This is from the Slamboard. Kimmers former business partner's (Catherine) Husband started it.

It has some information on it.

Slamboard » Blog Archive » Kimkins.com Part V - Celebrities on Kimkins?

Wow... interesting... thank you for that.... I am a late follower in this thread

[LucillaArmadillo]

In reference to the Slamboard/Martin blog, one thing stands out...the lack of business planning on Kimmer's part. There should have been confidentiality clauses in her contract regarding written business communications between partners. A good lawyer would have been a boon to her business planning. Kimmer might be a hugely charismatic persona but maybe she should have taken counsel and gone through proper business planning before launching a business endeavor with a stranger--or a friend, for that matter.

[StephanieK]

Originally Posted by LucillaArmadillo

In reference to the Slamboard/Martin blog, one thing stands out...the lack of business planning on Kimmer's part. There should have been confidentiality clauses in her contract regarding written business communications between partners. A good lawyer would have been a boon to her business planning. Kimmer might be a hugely charismatic persona but maybe she should have taken counsel and gone through proper business planning before launching a business endeavor with a stranger--or a friend, for that matter.

I would imagine that she would have been advised to not plagiarize, practice trademark infringement or give out medical advice without a license for starters. Someone posted the statutes somewhere on this thread where only licensed persons can dispense dietary advice for a fee in the state of California.

[Tooter]

Well, I broke down and listened to Jimmy's podcast this morning. Last night his producer put up the LAST podcast. They combined the last 3 into one, so that it would be over with quickly. No more waiting.

No, she never answers the questions everyone wants to know. Avoidance is what she does.

No, she will never tell anyone what her real name is, in fact she says she goes under several names as a writer in alot of magazines.

She claims she can't do anything when it comes to meeting people, if it has to do with herself.

She doesn't want attention and doesn't need to be social, it's just "not her", but in the podcast she goes on and on about what other people say about her (wonderful comments etc...)

How did I feel after listening to it? SAD. Very SAD.

It's obviously a "con" job and trying to play on people's emotions.


When I was younger, I was involved in a cultic church. Her actions, behavior and they way she talks (victum and then switches to how selfless she is and how she is "anointed" to help people) reminds me so much of the Pastor of that church.

No, I didn't transcribe it.

My Opinion? Don't waste your time.

[CarolynF]

Good morning everyone,

I woke up to find a nice email from Mary Smith..aka Cartbabe who reads this
thread. She wanted to clarify something:

Would you mind posting that my weight has stabilized and has been just fine for quite awhile; I am skinny at this time, but I am not, nor will I ever starve myself again?

Yeah for Mary!!!!

Tooter: I'm sure Jimmy wanted to get this over with all at once..It's less painful than to keep dragging it out and having more
weeks of comments that aren't pleasing to him.

WHAT?? No, she will never tell anyone what her real name is, in fact she says she goes under several names as a writer in alot of magazines.

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

Good morning everyone,

I woke up to find a nice email from Mary Smith..aka Cartbabe who reads this
thread. She wanted to clarify something:

Would you mind posting that my weight has stabilized and has been just fine for quite awhile; I am skinny at this time, but I am not, nor will I ever starve myself again?

Yeah for Mary!!!!

Good for her!!!!!!!!!!

[LucillaArmadillo]

Originally Posted by StephanieK

I would imagine that she would have been advised to not plagiarize, practice trademark infringement or give out medical advice without a license for starters. Someone posted the statutes somewhere on this thread where only licensed persons can dispense dietary advice for a fee in the state of California.

LucillaArmadillo smacks herself fondly on the head and says...

Why didn't I think of that? Yes, you are right on target there, StephanieK. Hire a good lawyer and they'll expect you to be a good client and follow ALL their advice...not just picking and choosing the parts that suit you.

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

Good morning everyone,

I woke up to find a nice email from Mary Smith..aka Cartbabe who reads this
thread. She wanted to clarify something:

Would you mind posting that my weight has stabilized and has been just fine for quite awhile; I am skinny at this time, but I am not, nor will I ever starve myself again?

Yeah for Mary!!!!

Tooter: I'm sure Jimmy wanted to get this over with all at once..It's less painful than to keep dragging it out and having more
weeks of comments that aren't pleasing to him.

WHAT?? No, she will never tell anyone what her real name is, in fact she says she goes under several names as a writer in alot of magazines.

Yes, she even "Said" some of the names she goes "under", including a guys name for a Guys magazine.

[LucillaArmadillo]

Originally Posted by Tooter

No, she will never tell anyone what her real name is, in fact she says she goes under several names as a writer in alot of magazines.[Part of that quote snipped.]

Is this news to anyone else, or just me? The writer for several magazines part, I mean.

[Violet Skye]

Nope, it's news to me. Certainly Heidi Cougar Mellencamp, or whatever she's calling herself at this moment, would have been open about the fact that she's a successfully published writer. OTOH, I have a buncha pics from the last time I was at goal, so what do I know?

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by LucillaArmadillo

Is this news to anyone else, or just me? The writer for several magazines part, I mean.

It's news to me too.

[Shaina]

Originally Posted by Diana

Really? Wow..... can you share one of those ads so that we can see it?

Hi Diana, Here is another one:

Kimkins Fans - How I Lost 54 lbs in 4 Months: celebrities

Thanks Tooter for supplying the Slamboard info!

[Rose1271]

After reading the last few pages and reading the WHOLE thread, I've come to my own conclusion behind Kimmer's/Heidi's motive.

MUNCHAUSEN SYNDROM BY PROXY.-from Wikepedia (bold are my add-ins obviously)
in which a caregiver (diet advisor) feigns or induces an illness (results from advising lowering everything) in a person (someone following her diet)under their care, in order to attract attention, sympathy, or to fill other emotional needs

She likes the attention and when some of her dieters/followers become ill or can't lose weight or come to a stall, she advises that they lower their intake (fat, protein, cal) even more which could make them sicker/weaker which then in turn has them asking more and more questions giving her the attention she is craving and the opportunity to try and help.

JMHO!

I read this thread because it is so dang interesting to see both sides of this whole debacle. I, for one started off doing Atkins and moved to just a basic lc plan that suits me. No way would I ever be able to do Kimkins (which, I believe, based on several posts IS JUST ATKINS '72 INDUCTION-RENAMED and based on other posts is also a STARVATION DIET when calories and protein and fat are advised to be reduced)

Like I said, this is just MY OWN CONCLUSION to this whole thing. I would also like to mention that I believe that the whole X-Files series COULD happen and I believe in UFO's and life in outer space and that there are aliens who live among us. I believe in conspiracies too so NO FLAMING PLEASE!

PS. I would like to add that when I read that she was possibly advertising to younger adults/teenagers by putting out the whole Paris-Lindsay-Jessica-are-followers-of-Kimkins, that teens/young adults would indeed try and emulate this and thus would result in possible ED's. I mean, seriously, how many of us know teens/tweens that do have their own young startlett/star idols that they want to try and emulate? THAT scares me.

Just my 2 cents. Carry on.....

[JaneJane]

Personally, I am glad Jimmy Moore finished off his interview quickly. I have been frustrated that the slamboard articles have stopped. I wish he would take a hint from Jimmy and "get 'er done!"

[MorganMacLeoid]

waves to everyone and sneaks out of lurkdom.

A disclaimer - Morgan MacLeoid is not my real name, since I'm not selling anything, I don't feel the need to use my real full name online.. lol

Listening to the last podcast and taking notes -

Kimkins hasn't sought medical endorsement since it is based on the works of two doctors (Stillman and Atkins) and she goes with their advice.. the modifications she has made are minor - so, she admits she stole the plan and remarketed it.

She then reaffirms her statement that Kimkins is save for ANY and all diabetics - sounds like medical advice to me. (Ketosis lipolysis can easily become ketoacidosis in some diabetics and that can be very dangerous)


She says "I keep telling them 'check your blood sugar' [sic}if they say 'I'm lightheaded', they may be taking too much of their medication." OR MAYBE NOT EATING ENOUGH.

Jimmy says 'Kimmer doesn't even come into the equation" in regards to her website - yet she touts in her sales pitch that buying a membership gives you "personal access to Kimmer".

They keep discussing that the real benefit to joining the site and paying your $59.95 is the forum. Well, this forum and others are free and wonderful. And I'm $59.95 richer.

She doesn't enjoy telling the world what she's done - yet she markets her plan based on what she has done? So many things she says are contradictory. She probably has a degree in Neuro-linguistic programming. I'm hearing a lot of those techniques being put into play.

People do not have to respect the right to privacy of someone who is marketing a diet plan based on their own success. Prove it before taking another membership. I dare you.

Anyone can make an online identity and say they lost x-hundred pounds, pay me $60 and I'll tell you how!

She won't reveal her real name. When asked, she says "not a chance". If that's not a red light, I don't know what is. She denies having anything on Classmates.com - claims that she has no idea about it. Riiiiiiiiight. She hasn't seen the picture, but if it's a blue sweater and big hair, that is her... what? Even though she hasn't seen the pic, if its someone wearing a blue sweater and big hair, it MUST be her? Riiiiiiight.

"Never understood the fascination people have with me and how I look.." Well maybe it has something to do with the fact that you claim to have lost 200 pounds and people would like to see that before paying you to help them?

She never says that there are no professional model pics as the after pics - only says "she doesn't think so."

She says that "agoraphobia" is probably not the right word for her condition, Jimmy suggests it's Kimmerphobia? No.. that's what I have.

When asked about the celebrity people on her diet, she says she never confirms identities. Whatever they tell her, is fine with her. And then goes on to say that anyone who is a size 2 does Kimkins.

Kimmer - "anyone who weighs over 300 pounds has an eating disorder." Hmmm.. though I don't entirely disagree with this, saying "anyone" is not correct as there are people with underlying medical conditions that cannot control their weight.

She says "poke her in the stick and see if she's real" doesn't appeal to her.. well if she wants to SELL her success plan, it should count to her! This whole rationalization of "if you need proof, this isn't for you" is just so wrong. Prove that your plan works yourself, then ask people for money.

-interjection- I'd like to interview this woman, lol

Her motto is "no excuses" - maybe she should apply that to herself first, instead of giving all of us a pile of excuses.

I've stayed on the fence with this issue since I first heard of it and after listening to Jimmy's complete interview, I can honestly say that he helped me see the light.

The woman is a fraud. Well versed in NLP and manipulation - completely unwilling to come out and prove her own claims, yet is knowingly and admittedly re-selling Atkins and Stillman's diet plans under a cutesy new name, all the while offering dangerous medical advice without license.

-back to lurking-

[Rose1271]

Well said!

[woe]

Thanks for that, Kiki!
It sounds like a pretty level headed response to me, considering...

Originally Posted by RockyMtnAngelEyes

Hi everyone, I'm kinda sorta back... I want to thank those of you who PM'd me and sent their prayers for my family...

Amy got home and found my reply to Heidi/Kimmer, to my ban email she sent me.. I know it's been a while, but several of you wanted to read it so I'm going to go a head and post it..

I do want to remind you that I was MAD!!!! I can't remember a time in my life I have ever talked to anyone like this, in person, a letter or otherwise... I'm going to post her email to me as well, for any newcomers...

**Please don't hold my anger against me...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Kiki, I'm so disappointed. So you think I'm dishonest, huh? Nothing better to do but talk behind my back? You and Amy sure do seem to have a lot of extra time on your hands.

Think I don't do "enough" for the members? Maybe you'd like to pay our website expenses and I can focus all of my time answering questions? I don't want you to start stress eating so I'll make your life easier. Your Kimkins membership has been canceled. You can hang out with Amy at lowcarber.org and complain some more.

Please let me know your Paypal account and I'll refund your membership fee. I couldn't feel more sad than if my own sister stabbed me in the back.

No reply necessary. I left LCF to avoid the drama and I don't want to continue it here.

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You're getting a reply, even tho I doubt you'll read it.. You had your say, now I get mine.. Then, as far as I'm concerned, this is over and done with.. I can't stand drama either...

I never called you dishonest! But you can believe what you want.. Yes, I had/have questions, and it appears I wasn't the only one with them... Check out other boards... Yes, I do think you need to spend more time with 'your members' since you announce on your MAIN page that you give personalized help to everyone.. NOT Becky or Christin, but YOU! Not just your pick and choose, far in between, replies to posts... {Which by the way are more often than not, rude and curt, unless you're trying to be all flirty with the guys} Yes, for a long time I have questioned the B&A's, and again, I wasn't alone.. I just never verbalized my thoughts... One question always begets another, and another, until there are answers.. No answers have been given.. You conveniently ignore requests for more B&A's, or anything for that matter, that people question about you.. You think this doesn't cause questions?? Yes, I think there should be more befores of you.. Not just one, from the side, with the face hidden.. And more afters as well.. I'm entitled to my thoughts and opinions, just as you are.. I'm entitled to question, just like everyone else.. Obviously you run your board no different from the other one, in 'spying' then banning if someone questions you... OK, your board, you have the right.. All these things together, just make you look more and more like you're hiding something...

And that 'binge eating' remark was just ridicules! But I suppose that was your way of trying to hurt me or at the least take some juvenile dig at me..LOL Sorry, didn't work.. You apparently think mighty highly of yourself and your little board to think that I'd even waste any time and energy moaning and groaning over this...ROFL You and your board could never cause that, to me anyway... Maybe you're the one who's been binge eating and that's why we see no B&A's from you.. Just a thought... As a reminder to you.. I do STILLMANS, NOT KIMKINS... But then so does everyone else on your board...LOL As for the drama you left at the other site... No argument that it's there, still in full force as always.. But after this little email of yours, I now believe totally that you caused it yourself.. Poor Kimmer, doesn't get her way, or someone questions her, and she reverts back to jr high, and takes her toys and go home...

As for paying your website expenses... Hmmm, thought all your members, and raising the membership fees did that, and that got them your help... Yes, I know you do have things you need to do on, and for the site, along with your IRL duties... No argument there, either.. Maybe you need to rethink your announcement that you'll be giving all this personalized help, since you have no time for the people that are making you a success.. Other than reading PM's apparently...

As for my membership fee.. My first thought was, poor woman, she needs it far more than I do, so keep it.. But ya know what.. Forget that.. I never would have asked for or expected it back... But since you put the offer out there, You can refund it! I have sent a PayPal request to xxxxx

You can go on your merry way and think and say what you want about me.. But know this, I have always liked you, and I have never, and will never, bad mouth you on any public forum.. I think you're a beautiful woman, on the ouside... Not so sure about the inside any longer... You better keep an eye on all your other members too... Many of them post on other boards with different user names, and they are questioning you... Get some good reading glasses for their PM's, and that ban button in working order...

You took someone's else's plan, and ran with it... I wish you every bit of success you deserve from that...

I'm sorry this all happened, but I believe all things happen for a reason, whatever it happens to be... Best wishes for your future...

[losinsusan]

Originally Posted by mama MIA

Congrats on your weight loss!

May I ask, why are you now switching to Dr. Thompson's diet?

I am switching because I need a lifetime plan... I bought the book and read it,
It is a great read, and a gret plan to live by.

Cutie recommended it to me, and she was right on... I need this type of living style to keep me on track...

Kimkins is a short temporary way to get rid of the weight... she even states this.
So I knew I would have to find a way to stay thinner for life.
Had NO plans of staying on a weight loss diet forever..
I still have a little more to go, but I figure if I start now with LGL, I will still be able to lose the last bit, while learning to live by this WOE.

Also if I find myself ever creeping back up in my weght, I will most certainly go back to doing Kimkins... It didn't take that long, I wasn't starving, I felt great, and the weight came off faster than any othe plan I have ever done. That in itself motivated me to just get it done. I am still alive by the way

I walked around for 6 years playing with this plan and that plan... always coming back to LC... but my last bout (before Kimkins) with Atkins was moving so slowly...I just gave up... that is when I gained it all back and more...
I went searching, and found Kimkins.... And I am glad I did...it was a major help to me in my weight loss journey, which only took a few short months, and let me see that YES, it was possible that I COULD lose the weight.

I can't speak for anyone else but myself... I enjoyed the plan, enjoyed the loss, and now am enjoying better health because of it.

If someone chooses to do the plan dangerously, that is their problem and mistake... unfortunately, we ALL make mistakes.

As I have said before ...YOU CAN TAKE ANY DIET AND TWIST IT!

[CarolynF]

Some great posts this morning..

I didn't listen to the podcast yet..But, she says her name is not Heidi Diaz?
Huh???

[SMP]

[quote=MorganMacLeoid;8969165]waves to everyone and sneaks out of lurkdom.

A disclaimer - Morgan MacLeoid is not my real name, since I'm not selling anything, I don't feel the need to use my real full name online.. lol

Listening to the last podcast and taking notes - [quote]

Wow! is right. Now I really want to read the final transcript for myself and see how reframing the questions can lead to different answers to those originally asked. As a mother, which automatically hones my Suspicious Skills, I can surely pick out the grosser tactics of manipulation and equivocation.

In case you're interested, Jimmy seems to have been chastened by losing a big sponsor; so getting his Kimmer voice-to-voice interview over and done with, and no more public rantings on her behalf might lure the lost advertiser back into his fold. (I think Jimmy just learned that free speech carries responsibilities and repercussions!) If nothing else, he's learned you don't catch flies (us) with vinegar!