Why the fascination with Kimmer?

[emmyjane]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

Lindt is so yummy..but does have some carbs in it..right? 85 percent would be lower carbs.

Hey..has anyone written Atkins about Jimmy??

Hey Carolyn... I did get a box of the 85 gram ones.. I am going to freeze them ( I think). I bought a bunch of other stuff too... yoo hoo, Cleo, Hevin... I'm in the vitamin aisle, now!

I haven't written Atkins yet, but it's on my list of things to do. I have contacted others, some of whom have responded with great concern to my emails, and I will continue to follow up with them. I'll let you all know...

[HevinMonkey]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

Hey..has anyone written Atkins about Jimmy??

Thats a pretty good point. The Atkins diet gets mangled in all this Kimkins stuff, for the many reasons already listed, and Jimmy's support of it is kind of a slam to Atkins in my opinion. But, he is an affiliate of Atkins, right?

"Bad boy, bad boy,
whatcha gonna do,
we're gonna tell
Dr. Atkins on you!"

[emmyjane]

Originally Posted by emmyjane

I haven't written Atkins yet, but it's on my list of things to do. I have contacted others, some of whom have responded with great concern to my emails, and I will continue to follow up with them. I'll let you all know...

whoops! I meant in reference to kimkins... I have only gotten canned automated responses re: letters regarding Jimmy. I hadn't even thought about atkins/Jimmy affiliation. Good thinking!

[seejay]

Originally Posted by Sandra Peake

What was your point? Kimkins is not a liquid based PSMF, and is not under medical supervision.

I guess I was veering off into literal geek land - that study if you read the whole paper, was a review of the published studies. There is literally no research data on overweight or obese people using whole-foods diets where protein, vitamins, minerals and fats are adequate by RDA and NIH definitions, yet calories are less than 1000.

So to my scientific mind, the screaming about the low-cal danger of Kimkins, is based on research that was done for different situations (low nutrients, fractionated not-whole foods, less than RDA, etc), hence it is extrapolating at best to say it is guaranteed harmful. I honestly think it can be done healthily as I am doing it, under doctor supervision, using the Protein Power guidelines.

Like I said before, I do acknowledge the danger of doing untested things unsupervised, and the risk for EDs, and the fraud part.

[Deb294evr]

Originally Posted by mum22

Maybe this is one of those companies who would rather have healthy customers?

naw, I doubt it. Its all about the bottom line, always will be.

[Deb294evr]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

I agree - I don't this this thread is negative - quite the opposite. If it was negative the administrators would have pulled it 100 pages ago.

The only ones who dont think this thread is negative, are the ones with something against Kimmer, Kimkins, or Jimmy.

[Lori]

Originally Posted by Deb294evr

naw, I doubt it. Its all about the bottom line, always will be.

The two go hand in hand. Healthy, satisfied customers = healthy bottom line.

[CJane]

Originally Posted by Deb294evr

The only ones who dont think this thread is negative, are the ones with something against Kimmer, Kimkins, or Jimmy.

I don't know either Kimmer or Jimmy, I DO have something against dangerous eating plans, and Kimkins would qualify as that, IMO.

This isn't personal toward any one individual...but when individuals attempt to use unscrupulous means to their own end to influence people toward harm, or to line their own pockets with those questionable practices, especially when it could affect people I care about, I will get involved.

I think anyone who cannot see the harm in these things has had the proverbial wool pulled over their eyes.

[CarolynF]

You are so right, CJane.

[red14him]

CJ, what a great way of putting it!

You know, I haven't mentioned it before, but before this controversy started I had ordered Jimmy Moore's Livin La Vida low carb book, about how he lost his weight, because I wanted to educate myself about low carb as much as possible. In the book he states over and over how fat is your friend, and even shares a few terrific recipes that include liberal fat.

Going over his old blog postings he talks about how he's gained weight because he went off Atkins, eating some illegal food without counting carbs, etc. And Dana Carpender who has written several low carb cookbooks and appears supportive of Kimkins says that she's having trouble maintaining her weight because she's nearing 50. Yet when I go on HER blog archives I see time and time again that she can't resist those "blooming onion" dishes in recipes (deep fried, heavily breaded onions), calling them her "planned treats."

So who is to blame? I say take responsibility and just go back on Atkins induction! I just don't get it. What worked for you then will surely work for you now.

Why reinvent the wheel with an unhealthy eating plan?

[red14him]

..sorry, I meant to say she talks about the "blooming onions" she orders in RESTAURANTS!

Doesn't take rocket science to make better choices.

[Jayelgee]

Originally Posted by CJane

I don't know either Kimmer or Jimmy, I DO have something against dangerous eating plans, and Kimkins would qualify as that, IMO.

So we should what? Lock Kimmer up in jail? Fine people who do this diet? What's your goal here?

This started out as being against lying, false advertising and lack of accountability. Then at some point it turned into being against dangerous diets. I have as much problem with this as I do someone who would sue McDonald's because of their health and weight. I have as much problem with this as I do with people who want to ban movies and music because they they need Big Brother to change the channel for them. I have as much problem with this as I do people who bully and degrade Low-Carb.

Let people decide what they do with their lives. Why this thread turned into Mommy Knows Best is beyond me. If I'm snorting cocaine, I can promise you a bunch of women on a message board can't bully me into stopping. Duh?

And don't even throw ED in my face. If you really want to help women with an eating disorder, become a psychologists and treat women with this illness.

Is Kimmer a fraud? Probably
Should people do the kimkins diet? Probably not
Should kimkins be illegal? Come on
Is Jimmy a smarmy boob? Yes
Who made you guys the food police?

[red14him]

Jaygee, this thread is about sharing information, with differing opinions.

All threads are about that; that's the nature of any information exchange. ESPECIALLY on the internet.

There is no deep-seated, hidden reason or agenda to these threads; they're pretty self-explanatory... and if you read through from the beginning, you will see that loyal followers who have found help through lowcarbfriends are showing their support and exposing some truths. If that makes us food police then everyone on this website, at one point or another, truly deserves that title as well.

[CJane]

Originally Posted by Jayelgee

So we should what? Lock Kimmer up in jail? Fine people who do this diet? What's your goal here?

I do not think that was ever suggested or intimated, not by me nor by anyone else here. Please, don't be ridiculous.

This started out as being against lying, false advertising and lack of accountability. Then at some point it turned into being against dangerous diets. I have as much problem with this as I do someone who would sue McDonald's because of their health and weight. I have as much problem with this as I do with people who want to ban movies and music because they they need Big Brother to change the channel for them. I have as much problem with this as I do people who bully and degrade Low-Carb.

The lying, false advertising and lack of accountability are indeed some of the issues, and if you've been keeping up with the thread you'd know so was the issue about Kimkins being an unhealthy eating plan. The simple fact of the matter is that here in the U.S. we do thankfully have freedom of choice, but we also have laws in place that keep others from inflicting harm on another. The legal issues will be dealt with through the proper channels. I do not think anyone is suggesting that we here on this thread are acting as a judge and jury...the only people suggesting that this is the case are those who would rather not examine these issues too closely because maybe the issues are indeed that the parties involved in Kimkins are not being above board.

Let people decide what they do with their lives. Why this thread turned into Mommy Knows Best is beyond me. If I'm snorting cocaine, I can promise you a bunch of women on a message board can't bully me into stopping. Duh?

No, no one could stop you, unless you got caught by the authorities, because it's illegal, and illegal for a reason. Duh.

And don't even throw ED in my face. If you really want to help women with an eating disorder, become a psychologists and treat women with this illness.

You don't know who I am, what I do, nor do you know the professions of many of the people who have responded in this thread. You may be surprised to know that there are a few here who can speak with authority about ED's, and other issues.

Is Kimmer a fraud? Probably
Should people do the kimkins diet? Probably not
Should kimkins be illegal? Come on
Is Jimmy a smarmy boob? Yes
Who made you guys the food police?

Again, no one was suggesting making it "illegal" to do Kimkins. We're not the food police, but we are mothers, husbands, wives, husbands, daughters, sons, etc., with the ability to think for ourselves, just like the ardent supporters of Kimkins. We are all in this together. We are having a discussion. That's it.

[Jayelgee]

Originally Posted by CJane

I do not think that was ever suggested or intimated, not by me nor by anyone else here. Please, don't be ridiculous.

You didn't answer my question. What is your goal here?

The lying, false advertising and lack of accountability are indeed some of the issues, and if you've been keeping up with the thread you'd know so was the issue about Kimkins being an unhealthy eating plan.

Well first of all, just because I haven't posted on every single page doesn't mean I haven't been reading. And second of all, I think it's none of your business what I, or anyone else, chooses to put in their mouth. Had I have realized that an opposing opinion would equate to not keeping up with the thread I wouldn't have bothered.

No, no one could stop you, unless you got caught by the authorities, because it's illegal, and illegal for a reason. Duh.

Well yes, thank you for skipping the point completely.

You don't know who I am, what I do, nor do you know the professions of many of the people who have responded in this thread. You may be surprised to know that there are a few here who can speak with authority about ED's, and other issues.

Is that what I said? I believe what I said was "If you really want to help women with an eating disorder, become a psychologists and treat women with this illness." Meaning your energy might be a little better well spent actually helping people with an illness instead of bitterly lashing out one person about ED.

Again, no one was suggesting making it "illegal" to do Kimkins. We're not the food police, but we are mothers, husbands, wives, husbands, daughters, sons, etc., with the ability to think for ourselves, just like the ardent supporters of Kimkins. We are all in this together. We are having a discussion. That's it

Clearly I'm not reading the same thread as you.

[CJane]

Originally Posted by Jayelgee

Is that what I said? I believe what I said was "If you really want to help women with an eating disorder, become a psychologists and treat women with this illness." Meaning your energy might be a little better well spent actually helping people with an illness instead of bitterly lashing out one person about ED.

Clearly I'm not reading the same thread as you.

I am not bitterly lashing out at you or anyone else. I spend plenty of energy helping people every day of my life.

And I guess you're right, as I'm not sure what thread you've been reading. Personally I've been reading this one.

I have indeed seen bitterness here, and most of it directed toward those who do not believe that Kimkins is a viable option for healthy weight loss and/or that there is fraudulent activity on the part of some who are involved in the making and promotion of Kimkins (whomever that may really be).

[Jayelgee]

Originally Posted by CJane

I am not bitterly lashing out at you or anyone else. I spend plenty of energy helping people every day of my life.

And I guess you're right, as I'm not sure what thread you've been reading. Personally I've been reading this one.

I have indeed seen bitterness here, and most of it directed toward those who do not believe that Kimkins is a viable option for healthy weight loss and/or that there is fraudulent activity on the part of some who are involved in the making and promotion of Kimkins (whomever that may really be).

You still didn't answer my question. I don't understand why one would participate in a thread and not even know why they were posting.

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Does anyone else have a purpose here? To make Jimmy unemployed? Get someone arrested? Fined? ED awareness? There are over 5000 posts. Surely someone can detail their goals for our viewing pleasure (especially since the focus shifts every 30 pages or so). <--- shhh, don't tell anyone I've actually been reading, it's good ammo for one to use when people don't jump on the "BURN THE WITCH" train. Was that snarky? I apologize. Then again, if I said what I was really thinking I'd be banned faster than weight loss on Kimkins.

[LindaJ]

I'm just hangin' out waiting for the mystery to be solved! ... the pictures thing, and who Kimmer really is. I pretty much disregarded her advice and eating plan when she started the fasting, what was it?, 4 or 5 years ago.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by Jayelgee

You didn't answer my question. What is your goal here?

Can't speak for anyone else, but my goal in "suffering" thru' this entire thread was to get educated. I have been. What am I going to do with this knowledge? About Kimmer and Jimmy? Nothing. About anything else? To be AWARE!

Well first of all, just because I haven't posted on every single page doesn't mean I haven't been reading. And second of all, I think it's none of your business what I, or anyone else, chooses to put in their mouth. Had I have realized that an opposing opinion would equate to not keeping up with the thread I wouldn't have bothered.

Agreed about what goes into my mouth. Don't agree with attack mode. Have you learned anything AT ALL that may prove useful to you during your reading here? I know I have - lots!

Is that what I said? I believe what I said was "If you really want to help women with an eating disorder, become a psychologists and treat women with this illness." Meaning your energy might be a little better well spent actually helping people with an illness instead of bitterly lashing out one person about ED.

Ever heard - An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure? This thread, if it goes nowheres from here, is still that ounce of prevention. But I agree that some posters got a bit carried away into the "thought police" area.
None of us , however, although we wish no harm to anyone blindly following Kimmer's advice, will be surprised if and when it happens. What goes around, comes around.

[ErinBee]

I know all you ladies have good intentions....BUT...I think the same information is being posted over and over. I think the diet itself should be debated and not the woman. This diet is not new by any means, many other diet guru's have come up with this same same diet years earlier to help bodybuilders prepare for shows . I have even read of doctors putting young children on a similar diet to help with epileptic seizures.

Personally, I never saw before and after pics of Dr.Adkins, or needed to see them to know his diet helped me lose weight. Anyone with any kind of wits to them knows when starting a diet they should check with their doctor...every diet on the planet has that disclaimer. If the doctor okay's it...then okay. And if they don't check with their doctor then that's their burden.

I think "Gossip" is trying to be justified.

[Jayelgee]

To be AWARE!

I'm down with that. Although, after 5000 posts if you aren't aware by now I don't think anyone on this forum can help you.

Agreed about what goes into my mouth. Don't agree with attack mode. Have you learned anything AT ALL that may prove useful to you during your reading here? I know I have - lots!

I'm not worried about what anyone thinks of me and I don't care to change anyones mind. Like I said before, if I said what I really thought, I'd be banned. I can assure you this is very mild.

Ever heard - An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure? This thread, if it goes nowheres from here, is still that ounce of prevention.

I would have agreed with that about 75 pages ago.

None of us , however, although we wish no harm to anyone blindly following Kimmer's advice, will be surprised if and when it happens. What goes around, comes around.

Likewise I wouldn't be surprised if a bungee cord breaks and someone breaks their neck but I doubt there will ever be a 5000 post thread about it.

[hippiegirl]

Alright everyone! Cut it out! (said in my best Mom Voice).

How about if we agree that those who want to read and post here can and may (because they can and may), and those who think it's pointless, stupid, wasted time, gossippy, whatever - don't (because you don't have to). But I'm not sure how calling someone the thought police or food police or whatever in the same breath as telling them how they should be spending their time makes sense. So let's agree to disagree, and not get confrontational or insulting with one another.

[aloise]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

Something made him apologize and I'm betting it wasn't Jesus.

Originally Posted by emmyjane

Some trivia for what it's worth:
I just visited "Big-Boards"(which tracks data and posts for the largest 1933 boards on the web):

Low Carb Friends is the HIGHEST RANKED Low Carb message board on the web

Low Carb Friends is the 2nd Highest ranked Diet/Fitness message board.

LowCarbFriends is the 141st largest message board overall.

It is no wonder certain bloggers and others would want a piece of that traffic. WE are the audience for low carb.

I think this is the reason for Jimmy's apology. business. If you are blogging about low carb, with links to low carb products, it is not good business to alienate what is probably the biggest portion of your possible audience.

Perhaps his sponsers reminded him of these statistics...