Why the fascination with Kimmer? - Page 137

Tooter · 07-17-2007, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

Like Judge Judy says "Stop peeing on my leg and telling me it's raining"

The best defense is a good offense - they talk all "around" the issues and I'm sure JimKims will just skirt all the issues and talk in platitudes. Hey has anyone figured out if it is really Heidi/Kimmer that will be answering the questions? Hmmmm

It could be a anyone for all we know.

I have no doubt that it will be Kimmer on the phone. But what in the heck does that prove? Nothing. It will be nothing more then "The SPIN Zone".

Where's Bill O'Riley when someone actually needs him.

CarolynF · 07-17-2007, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by CARBBABY

I have always thought that her side by side avi pictures were false. To me the one of her in the white shirt is an older picture which tells me that was taken "before" the one of her in the blue sweater. (when she was younger) Not the other way around. The other pictures IMHO are not her at all...just my thought

Angie: I totally agree that the "after" picture is Kimmer at a young age. It is a very young face..say 20's...I totally agree with you..

ixtapacheryl · 07-17-2007, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Carolina Rose

Did anyone see Big Medicine last night? The story of the woman who had gastric bypass and lost 200 pounds? She had massive amounts of loose skin, just unbelievable to look at. (And then the damn insurance company wouldn't pay for the surgery!

)

I've always wondered how a woman could lose almost 200 pounds in 11 months at the age of 40, with no exercise and *only* have a tummy tuck and breast lift when all was said and done. The arms, in particular, on that infamous "red dress" pic do not look like the arms of a 40 year old who lost 200 pounds. Especially one who prides herself in not exercising.

Another "hmmmm" moment for me.

Exactly - hey I lost 57# and you should see my arms ..... they are just horrible. There is no way you can hide that excess skin on your arms unless you are wearing long sleeve blouses.....

emmyjane · 07-17-2007, 08:28 AM

I think Jmoore has moved on from blogging about the "controversy". Maybe tomorrow he'll go back to build up an audience for his oh-so-important-world-wide-excusive interview with his business partner whom he's never met in person.

So, what does everyone think the mystery woman will say to all those "tough questions" jm will throw at her?

I am guessing her answer will be: it works.

To every question.

So, I was thinking... what other "quick fix" weight loss gimmicks have we seen... all of which also "work": Fen phen, amphetamines, various illicit drugs... They offer extreme appetite suppression... quick weight loss... no interest in food... lots of energy...

And why are these weight loss methods illegal again?

On a totally somewhat unrelated topic, I read yesterday that in the later stages of anorexia, some peeps bodies digest their own nervous system. Ewww.

Carolina Rose · 07-17-2007, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CarolynF

I saw that..and thought EXACTLY the same thing..She was a mess, wasn't she?

And I felt so sorry for her. She really was trying, really was working at it. I never would have set foot in a gym with all that loose skin. I was so impressed with her attitude and I admit I cried when the insurance company turned her down.

Carolyn, did you by chance catch the age of that woman? Ironic, but it seems to me her name was KIM, wasn't it?

Sleepy · 07-17-2007, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CARBBABY

I have always thought that her side by side avi pictures were false. To me the one of her in the white shirt is an older picture which tells me that was taken "before" the one of her in the blue sweater. (when she was younger) Not the other way around. The other pictures IMHO are not her at all...just my thought

Thats exactly what I have always thought too. You can tell that is an older picture and she is much younger, like in high school. I didnt believe her back then and i surely dont believe her now.

CarolynF · 07-17-2007, 08:35 AM

Carolina: Yes, it was Kim..I had to take a doubletake..LOL..My dh couldn't believe the mess her body was in..Her poor tummy was down to her knees.
Hopefully, she can "save up" for this surgery..

But, you know even AFTER peeps have this surgery, their bodies DO NOT look like the "red dress" picture..There are some lumps here and there..no big ones, but they are there.

Carolina Rose · 07-17-2007, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by emmyjane

So, what does everyone think the mystery woman will say to all those "tough questions" jm will throw at her?

First of all, I doubt that he'll throw any of the truly "tough" questions at her.

Secondly, if he does have such a list of questions, I'm sure he has already emailed them to her so she can come up with her typical catty replies in advance. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing sounds completely rehearsed.

Since I can no longer believe anything either one of them says, I will not be listening.

CARBBABY · 07-17-2007, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Sleepy

Thats exactly what I have always thought too. You can tell that is an older picture and she is much younger, like in high school. I didnt believe her back then and i surely dont believe her now.

Which is why I think she should be accountable for her "after" picture. After all that is what is actually "selling" her diet....er..I mean Dr. Atkins diet with tweaks. Preying on people's desperation, thinking that if she looks that good after losing 200 pounds, than so can they, killing themselves to get there. If that IS actually Kimmer....than prove it.

StephanieK · 07-17-2007, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Carolina Rose

Did anyone see Big Medicine last night? The story of the woman who had gastric bypass and lost 200 pounds? She had massive amounts of loose skin, just unbelievable to look at. (And then the damn insurance company wouldn't pay for the surgery!

)

I've always wondered how a woman could lose almost 200 pounds in 11 months at the age of 40, with no exercise and *only* have a tummy tuck and breast lift when all was said and done. The arms, in particular, on that infamous "red dress" pic do not look like the arms of a 40 year old who lost 200 pounds. Especially one who prides herself in not exercising.

Another "hmmmm" moment for me.

I saw that and it's like was it really worth it? The number on the scale is not the only thing to consider.

I don't think the red dress lady ever lost 200 pounds. NO amount of plastic surgery would produce that body.

LucillaArmadillo · 07-17-2007, 09:16 AM

If she'd forego the advisories to fast and take laxatives I could almost give her a pass. No one should be advised to fast. She's teaching "Eating Disorder 101" IMHO.

Zenngrl · 07-17-2007, 09:21 AM

I am totally on the other side. I could never see myself going that low in calories. Even thinking about it makes me woosy and light headed. I have never had the desire to NOT EAT, I am in the opposite ED camp of eating TOO MUCH. This thread has made me really look at myself and realize that I have a serious emotional issue when it comes to eating. Even when I am doing LC or just watching calories I over eat healthy foods, almost to the point of being sick to my stomach. Maybe I need therapy. I also realize that I don't need "a diet" I need to learn how to eat properly and the proper portions.

Tooter · 07-17-2007, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Zenngrl

I am totally on the other side. I could never see myself going that low in calories. Even thinking about it makes me woosy and light headed. I have never had the desire to NOT EAT, I am in the opposite ED camp of eating TOO MUCH. This thread has made me really look at myself and realize that I have a serious emotional issue when it comes to eating. Even when I am doing LC or just watching calories I over eat healthy foods, almost to the point of being sick to my stomach. Maybe I need therapy. I also realize that I don't need "a diet" I need to learn how to eat properly and the proper portions.

Don't we all. That's the entire reason all of us came here. We've obviously been doing something Consistantly wrong in our eating.

That's why it's so imporant to have a "real" plan with checks, balances and room for growth and doing it "Healthy".

It's been a long Journey for me. I'm at Goal (and have been) but I am in NO WAY done. I'm always learning something New to be healthy or to add to my plan ...As well as things I have to watch that I don't eat them too much and cut back on. It's about Good Health, Balance and being consistant.

No Plan can Do all that for you, but a Sound plan can start you on your journey.

fawn · 07-17-2007, 09:37 AM

As if the low fat era didn't already turn up enough hormonal and thyroid problems.

This woman is just not qualified to guide/direct so many people. Shame on her.

CRosie · 07-17-2007, 09:47 AM

<<But if you start eating MORE..even 1100, it will grab everything and hang on to it for dear life because it doesn't trust you.>>>

Isn't this due, at least in part, because when you reach goal weight, your body requires fewer calories to sustain life?

Ro

RockyMtnAngelEyes · 07-17-2007, 09:53 AM

OT..

Hi all. I got the sweetest note from Kimber a bit ago, asking about me, since I haven't been joining in the past couple days..

I just wanted to let y'all know, in case anyone else might have missed me, that I'm OK... Been dealing with issues brought up here, and in the past few days also had a family tragedy that is hitting pretty hard.. I'm doing my best to keep up my reading, but I'm not in a place right now to chime in...

Y'all are great!

CJane · 07-17-2007, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CRosie

<<But if you start eating MORE..even 1100, it will grab everything and hang on to it for dear life because it doesn't trust you.>>>

Isn't this due, at least in part, because when you reach goal weight, your body requires fewer calories to sustain life?

Ro

No. A body requires a certain amount to maintain a certain weight. 1200 calories is what is needed on a daily basis for a body to operate and maintain all of its normal functions. That is the baseline, no matter if you weigh 400 pounds or 100 pounds.

emmyjane · 07-17-2007, 10:05 AM

To not screw up your metabolism, never eat less than your ideal BMR: http://health.discovery.com/tools/ca...sal/basal.html

HevinMonkey · 07-17-2007, 10:05 AM

Question - If I do my Water Fast using Diet Pepsi instead of Diet Coke is that still on plan, or would I be tweaking? In which case I would be off plan so I might as well just go eat a cheeseburger and forget the fast...

Annnyyywaaayysss...THe point of this post is to ask if anyone is planning on listening to the Jimkins podcast interview with the elusive Kimmer on Thursday? I am definitely curious, I'll give you that, but at the same time I am feeling like Jimkins has been hyping and over dramatizing this so much just so everyone will listen. He is probably banking on breaking some kind of record numbers with page hits that day. Not sure I want to contribute to that.

He has been dragging LCF and its members through the mud with all his attacks yet I am sure he is counting on all of us to be right there listening to him. And truthfully, I kinda want to!

Maybe we could pick one person to listen and take notes to share the with the rest of us...that way we could have our ooey gooey butter cake and eat it too! Does anyone else have an opinion on this?

emmyjane · 07-17-2007, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by HevinMonkey

Maybe we could pick one person to listen and take notes to share the with the rest of us...that way we could have our ooey gooey butter cake and eat it too! Does anyone else have an opinion on this?

That's a great idea!

cleochatra · 07-17-2007, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by HevinMonkey

Annnyyywaaayysss...THe point of this post is to ask if anyone is planning on listening to the Jimkins podcast interview with the elusive Kimmer on Thursday? Does anyone else have an opinion on this?

I'm not giving him the page--or pod--hits he so desires. He's not worth the time and I don't have the patience for wasting my time.

There are no live appearances. This is a phone conversation. We can't even assume it's really her. It's not hard to give talking points to people and be represented. This whole thing could be orchestrated by a fat man from the Danish mafia syndicate named Svend the Svelte, for all anyone knows.

A tv appearance before Nightline answering investigative questions about the plan behind the plan? I'll tune in for that.

ShortKayke · 07-17-2007, 10:15 AM

Celebrating here! It's taken me a week to get to this last page!
I remember Kimmer saturating the Main Lobby way back when, but I was doing and successful on regular Atkins as written and never followed her posts, but have gone back and read what's still there this week too.
I just want to say how much respect and admiration I have for everyone on this thread, especially the admins for allowing it to take it's course.
It's been full of happy, sad, scary and uplifting personal stories and Sherlockian Holmes investigative techniques.
Wow, what a ride.
Big Hugs to each and everyone of you here.
Kaye

daisyHair · 07-17-2007, 10:17 AM

Hi CJane..

I believe my basal metabolism is actually around 1500...

you do have a change in your Basal as you diet.. it depends on your lean muscle mass:

"Basal metabolic rate (BMR) is the amount of energy expended while at rest in a neutrally temperate environment, in the post-absorptive state (meaning that the digestive system is inactive, which requires about twelve hours of fasting in humans). The release of energy in this state is sufficient only for the functioning of the vital organs, such as the heart, lungs, brain and the rest of the nervous system, liver, kidneys, sex organs, muscles and skin. BMR decreases with age and with the loss of lean body mass. Increased cardiovascular exercise and muscle mass can increase BMR. Illness, previously consumed food and beverages, environmental temperature, and stress levels can affect one's overall energy expenditure, and can affect one's BMR as revealed by gas analysis. It is measured when the person is at complete rest, but awake. An accurate BMR measurement requires that the person's sympathetic nervous system is not stimulated. Basal metabolic rate is measured under very restrictive circumstances. A more common and closely related measurement, used under less strict conditions, is resting metabolic rate (RMR).[1]"

Taken from Wiki...

HevinMonkey · 07-17-2007, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by cleochatra

There are no live appearances. This is a phone conversation. We can't even assume it's really her. It's not hard to give talking points to people and be represented. This whole thing could be orchestrated by a fat man from the Danish mafia syndicate named Svend the Svelte, for all anyone knows.

A tv appearance before Nightline answering investigative questions about the plan behind the plan? I'll tune in for that.

I know Cleo, you make such incredible sense, and I feel the same, but I'm still curious

I guess that curiousity is what he is counting on, and why he has worked so hard to get everyone in a frenzy - more good marketing, and I'm ashamed to admit it worked with me! I know there has to be others on here that feel the same which is why I think if we plan to have one person listen and report, then all those that are tempted to sneak over for a quick listen -won't. I don't want him to benefit from this but I really do want to know how he plays the whole thing out.

cleochatra · 07-17-2007, 10:27 AM

I agree, Hevin. I am sure someone will take the time, listen and give a summation.

She won't be me, unless I get to write everything in piratespeak so as to keep my sanity.

And cheryl-- LOL! So are you a member or are you not? You are a mystery.

Shortkayke-- Hello and welcome! Astute observations!

07-17-2007, 09:21 AM	#4092
Zenngrl Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 4,125 Gallery: Zenngrl Stats: Nunya :O) WOE: Low Carb, my way!	I am totally on the other side. I could never see myself going that low in calories. Even thinking about it makes me woosy and light headed. I have never had the desire to NOT EAT, I am in the opposite ED camp of eating TOO MUCH. This thread has made me really look at myself and realize that I have a serious emotional issue when it comes to eating. Even when I am doing LC or just watching calories I over eat healthy foods, almost to the point of being sick to my stomach. Maybe I need therapy. I also realize that I don't need "a diet" I need to learn how to eat properly and the proper portions. __________________ Do or do not; there is no try.Yoda (!) Allow me to explain the contamination process. Pine cones go in here, party liquors comes out here and proceed to here...[points to mouth]...Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated www.taoteching.org

07-17-2007, 10:05 AM	#4098
emmyjane Senior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 187 Gallery: emmyjane Stats: a bit much/ pretty good WOE: moderate carbs Start Date: 2002	To not screw up your metabolism, never eat less than your ideal BMR: http://health.discovery.com/tools/ca...sal/basal.html Last edited by emmyjane : 07-17-2007 at 10:10 AM.

07-17-2007, 10:05 AM	#4099
HevinMonkey Senior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: ~ Heart's in Texas ~ Posts: 473 Gallery: HevinMonkey Stats: SZ 16/SZ 8/SZ 6, 5'8 WOE: Atkins Start Date: Re-Induct and Quit Aspartame March 2008	Question - If I do my Water Fast using Diet Pepsi instead of Diet Coke is that still on plan, or would I be tweaking? In which case I would be off plan so I might as well just go eat a cheeseburger and forget the fast... Annnyyywaaayysss...THe point of this post is to ask if anyone is planning on listening to the Jimkins podcast interview with the elusive Kimmer on Thursday? I am definitely curious, I'll give you that, but at the same time I am feeling like Jimkins has been hyping and over dramatizing this so much just so everyone will listen. He is probably banking on breaking some kind of record numbers with page hits that day. Not sure I want to contribute to that. He has been dragging LCF and its members through the mud with all his attacks yet I am sure he is counting on all of us to be right there listening to him. And truthfully, I kinda want to! Maybe we could pick one person to listen and take notes to share the with the rest of us...that way we could have our ooey gooey butter cake and eat it too! Does anyone else have an opinion on this? __________________ Kimber "My Grace is sufficient for you for my power is made perfect in weakness." 2 Corinthians 12:9-10 Be Blessed. Be a Blessing.

07-17-2007, 10:17 AM	#4103
daisyHair MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: May 2007 Location: Orlando Posts: 1,832 Gallery: daisyHair Stats: 257/209/207/135 WOE: Atkins OWL	Hi CJane.. I believe my basal metabolism is actually around 1500... you do have a change in your Basal as you diet.. it depends on your lean muscle mass: "Basal metabolic rate (BMR) is the amount of energy expended while at rest in a neutrally temperate environment, in the post-absorptive state (meaning that the digestive system is inactive, which requires about twelve hours of fasting in humans). The release of energy in this state is sufficient only for the functioning of the vital organs, such as the heart, lungs, brain and the rest of the nervous system, liver, kidneys, sex organs, muscles and skin. BMR decreases with age and with the loss of lean body mass. Increased cardiovascular exercise and muscle mass can increase BMR. Illness, previously consumed food and beverages, environmental temperature, and stress levels can affect one's overall energy expenditure, and can affect one's BMR as revealed by gas analysis. It is measured when the person is at complete rest, but awake. An accurate BMR measurement requires that the person's sympathetic nervous system is not stimulated. Basal metabolic rate is measured under very restrictive circumstances. A more common and closely related measurement, used under less strict conditions, is resting metabolic rate (RMR).[1]" Taken from Wiki... __________________ 44 years old.................Walking around 17 miles a week right now (average 3 miles a day). "I've Never Had a Humble Opinion. If You Have an Opinion, Why be Humble About it?" Joan Baez Progress pix:http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/ma...s-pix-too.html Http://www.myspace.com/runundefined

07-17-2007, 08:28 AM	#4084
emmyjane Senior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 187 Gallery: emmyjane Stats: a bit much/ pretty good WOE: moderate carbs Start Date: 2002	I think Jmoore has moved on from blogging about the "controversy". Maybe tomorrow he'll go back to build up an audience for his oh-so-important-world-wide-excusive interview with his business partner whom he's never met in person. So, what does everyone think the mystery woman will say to all those "tough questions" jm will throw at her? I am guessing her answer will be: it works. To every question. So, I was thinking... what other "quick fix" weight loss gimmicks have we seen... all of which also "work": Fen phen, amphetamines, various illicit drugs... They offer extreme appetite suppression... quick weight loss... no interest in food... lots of energy... And why are these weight loss methods illegal again? On a totally somewhat unrelated topic, I read yesterday that in the later stages of anorexia, some peeps bodies digest their own nervous system. Ewww.

07-17-2007, 08:35 AM	#4087
CarolynF Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Kansas Posts: 20,511 Gallery: CarolynF Stats: 195/150/139 WOE: Eat Fat, Get Thin/I Can Make You Thin Start Date: January 2001	Carolina: Yes, it was Kim..I had to take a doubletake..LOL..My dh couldn't believe the mess her body was in..Her poor tummy was down to her knees. Hopefully, she can "save up" for this surgery.. But, you know even AFTER peeps have this surgery, their bodies DO NOT look like the "red dress" picture..There are some lumps here and there..no big ones, but they are there.

07-17-2007, 09:16 AM	#4091
LucillaArmadillo Junior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 37 Gallery: LucillaArmadillo	If she'd forego the advisories to fast and take laxatives I could almost give her a pass. No one should be advised to fast. She's teaching "Eating Disorder 101" IMHO.

07-17-2007, 09:37 AM	#4094
fawn Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Northern California Posts: 9,515 Gallery: fawn Stats: 210/120 WOE: Eating For Health Start Date: 2/2000	As if the low fat era didn't already turn up enough hormonal and thyroid problems. This woman is just not qualified to guide/direct so many people. Shame on her.

07-17-2007, 09:47 AM	#4095
CRosie Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 770 Gallery: CRosie Stats: 266/186/150 WOE: my own low carb/sometimes lowfat plan Start Date: May 21, 2007	<<But if you start eating MORE..even 1100, it will grab everything and hang on to it for dear life because it doesn't trust you.>>> Isn't this due, at least in part, because when you reach goal weight, your body requires fewer calories to sustain life? Ro

07-17-2007, 09:53 AM	#4096
RockyMtnAngelEyes Sweet and Spicy Tart Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, hangin' at the ranch... Posts: 18,364 Gallery: RockyMtnAngelEyes	OT.. Hi all. I got the sweetest note from Kimber a bit ago, asking about me, since I haven't been joining in the past couple days.. I just wanted to let y'all know, in case anyone else might have missed me, that I'm OK... Been dealing with issues brought up here, and in the past few days also had a family tragedy that is hitting pretty hard.. I'm doing my best to keep up my reading, but I'm not in a place right now to chime in... Y'all are great!

07-17-2007, 10:15 AM	#4102
ShortKayke Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In my computer chair! Posts: 3,605 Gallery: ShortKayke Stats: (High 165) 135/115/105 4'10" WOE: My Atkins Start Date: 10/03 on and off when jeans get tight!	Celebrating here! It's taken me a week to get to this last page! I remember Kimmer saturating the Main Lobby way back when, but I was doing and successful on regular Atkins as written and never followed her posts, but have gone back and read what's still there this week too. I just want to say how much respect and admiration I have for everyone on this thread, especially the admins for allowing it to take it's course. It's been full of happy, sad, scary and uplifting personal stories and Sherlockian Holmes investigative techniques. Wow, what a ride. Big Hugs to each and everyone of you here. Kaye

07-17-2007, 10:27 AM	#4105
cleochatra Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 7,939 Gallery: cleochatra Stats: 350/264/125 WOE: Atkins Start Date: January 1, 2008	I agree, Hevin. I am sure someone will take the time, listen and give a summation. She won't be me, unless I get to write everything in piratespeak so as to keep my sanity. And cheryl-- LOL! So are you a member or are you not? You are a mystery. Shortkayke-- Hello and welcome! Astute observations!