Why the fascination with Kimmer?

[Lisa Marie]

Originally Posted by mermaid

Or when you start cutting back fat and Calories on the Atkins diet because you stall, it starts working wonders. It's called Kimkins and she clearly states it came from Atkins '72 (which itself morphed into future Atkins plans).

I don't think the folks in the legal dept at Akins will appreciate that!

[Joycelyn]

P.S. I tried to post on the anti-Jimmy blog and it's not accepting any posts except the one already there praising Jimmy. What's that all about?

I think the blog is a created sham.

[cleochatra]

Some blogs are moderated. It's an option owners have to ensure they're not overrun with advertising by spammers.

It might take some time for it to appear.

Could someone PM me the link? I haven't seen the blog.

[Violet Skye]

The response to my e-mail from Team Atkins:

Thank you for your concern. We are working to resolve this issue.

[Tooter]

I'm just so sick of the Kimkins plan perverting everything.

Fasting? With diet coke and laxatives?

I have "fasted" before. My reasons? IBS (the whole reason I started low carb in the first place). If I eat a little too much of something allowed at maintenance It's not "Weight" that I worry about, it's how I feel and my intestines. PAIN.

I will "fast" a meal or 2 (never the entire day). Cleans my intestines out and I can start fresh and hopefully remember not to take things as far the next time a "choice" like that comes up. Pain goes away FAST and I get a fresh start.

How often do I do that? Gosh, I don't think I can use a number....not very often at all.

Does that mean everyone should "fast" my way? Heck no, but Diet coke and Laxatives??? That's not a "spiritual" fast nor is it one for "health". Let's get REAL here.

It just seems like everything is perverted and then people desperately want to STILL believe it's for real.

Long term does it work and how's the health? Well, we can't find that out because No one has actually "seen" Kimmer and the pictures (no doubt in my mind now) are not her.

Christian? The cover girl for WW for the Kimkins plan? It's too short of time to see if she can continue to eat this way. It should be starting to takes it's toll on her now, if it hasn't already and she has ignored those Red Flags too. You can only starve yourself for so long without a Binge happening and then losing Total control because you haven't learned how to actual Eat And LIVE with an eating plan.

This truly just breaks my heart.

It's better to go on a crash diet and lose the weight because being overweight is so UNhealthy?

Do people honestly believe this?

My MIL is 5'1 and weighs 225 lbs. She has gone on every Crash diet their is. Her health is AWFUL. Not all that is from being overweight, it's from malnutrition from crash diets and to top THAT off, she can't eat "Normally" now, because her Metab is so badly screwed up.

So, it's No fat this and no fat that just to try and Maintain 225lbs.

People, WAKE UP!!!!

[rightnow]

I was sent this, for reference; others may find it useful.

I noticed some posts mentioning Heidi’s past “advice” on Yahoo! Answers and questioning whether they were being deleted or not. It doesn't appear to be the case.

If people want to read them (and/or inspect cached pages to search for discrepancies although I don’t think she can edit posts after a certain time elapse, similar to most forums), they can:

1. Open Google

2. Enter the search string: “kimmer k” Yahoo answers (include the quotation marks around kimmer k)

3. While the search results will claim 10+ pages, it cuts off after page 3 or so. Go to the last page and select the “repeat the search with the omitted results included” link at the bottom of the page. You will then get links to all 635 or so of Heidi’s posts.

4. Enjoy?

[CarolynF]

In the WW article:

"Our approach is based on the original Atkins diet, but with less fat, no sugar alcohols and more hunger control"...reveals Kim Drake.. "You lose faster than on any other diet," Faster even than regular Atkins."

Another address would be to Dr. Pescatore who was quoted in this article.
He is the author of The Hamptons Diet..(think mac oil). Can't post it here, but you can google him. He seemed to think it would be a good diet because it is low in calories as well as carbs. But his diet is all about the macadamia nut oil..I'm confused..

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

In the WW article:

"Our approach is based on the original Atkins diet, but with less fat, no sugar alcohols and more hunger control"...reveals Kim Drake.. "You lose faster than on any other diet," Faster even than regular Atkins."

Another address would be to Dr. Pescatore who was quoted in this article.
He is the author of The Hamptons Diet..(think mac oil). Can't post it here, but you can google him. He seemed to think it would be a good diet because it is low in calories as well as carbs. But his diet is all about the macadamia nut oil..I'm confused..

I agree. I don't think he "approves" her plan, kinda lumped it in with lower in cal low carb diets. I bet he didn't even go through her plan. Also on the Hamptons site (I went there) they have covers of WW where Hampton is in the issues. *rolls eyes*

I don't know anything about the Hampton diet, does anyone?

[Joycelyn]

Yes, Dr. Atkins was Dr. Pescatore's mentor in the clinic Atkins had in Manhattan (now closed after his death).

Dr. Pescatore originally was an Atkins devotee, but then branched off into his own low carb thing that really pushes macademia nut oil as the next messiah.

Anyone willing to wager if he sells the stuff?

[CarolynF]

Yup..I'm the queen of diet plans..LOL..It is based on the Mediterraen diet. He thinks we should use macadamia nut oil along with good healthy veggies/proteins. It's very similar to Atkins although likes to use the olive and mac oils instead. I just wrote him an email saying that I was confused that he was associated with a lowfat plan because his plan is NOT like Kimkins.

Maybe he will be careful what he endorses next time..

[Sweeteater]

Sorry, I'm at work but trying to catch up...what about that interview via telephone today? anything new on that?

[controlledcarb]

Originally Posted by Joycelyn

Yes, Dr. Atkins was Dr. Pescatore's mentor in the clinic Atkins had in Manhattan (now closed after his death).

Dr. Pescatore originally was an Atkins devotee, but then branched off into his own low carb thing that really pushes macademia nut oil as the next messiah.

Anyone willing to wager if he sells the stuff?

He owns the company MacNut Oil (based in Austalia I believe?)

[Sweeteater]

Originally Posted by rightnow

I was sent this, for reference; others may find it useful.

on one of those answers she lists Jimmy's 30 in 30 blogspot as a source

[controlledcarb]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

Yup..I'm the queen of diet plans..LOL..It is based on the Mediterraen diet. He thinks we should use macadamia nut oil along with good healthy veggies/proteins. It's very similar to Atkins although likes to use the olive and mac oils instead. I just wrote him an email saying that I was confused that he was associated with a lowfat plan because his plan is NOT like Kimkins.

Maybe he will be careful what he endorses next time..

I haven't read the quote attributed to him, but if he'd said something previously in the media that fit, re-quoting may explain how it made it into the Kimkins article in WW.

[luvslipstick]

I've read this whole thread and it took me 4 days,reading around work of course,I've been glued to it cause it's just great,very informative info beening put out there ,theres a bunch of knowledgeable people on these boards ,thats why I love it here and yes it's got tense a few times but nothing mean or hateful,I think anyways.I tried Kimkins for about 1 week and just couldn't do it,I'm very active and it made me week to where I just didn't want exercise,nausea,not enough food,so I ditched that,just wasn't working for ME ,so went back normal low carb and its been great.
I know this was mentioned early somewhere,probably back on page 40 to 100 somewheresomebody said OPRAH,she is into healthy woe now days ,let her call kimmer out,we know Oprah would nail her to the wall for low calories like that and the laxative thing,gees don't get me started,but I just think if thats the direction this is going,I think she would be great to let get to the bottom of this,just my own opinion.Of course they would have to find her or him ,whoever firstwould the real Kimmer please stand up
This thread just keeps getting better and better,great job to you all

[Just4Me]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

Yup..I'm the queen of diet plans..LOL..It is based on the Mediterraen diet. He thinks we should use macadamia nut oil along with good healthy veggies/proteins. It's very similar to Atkins although likes to use the olive and mac oils instead. I just wrote him an email saying that I was confused that he was associated with a lowfat plan because his plan is NOT like Kimkins.

Maybe he will be careful what he endorses next time..

Carolyn, do you remember what his stance is re. saturated fat? I thought with his endorsement of mac oil, maybe he is another of those "Atkins is too high in saturated fat" persons.

I'm getting an eye full of my own naivete----Pescatore advocates mac nut oil, and owns a company producing it. Reminds me of the hoopla surrounding Sears and his OmegaRx fish oil advocacy, and the assertion that only pharmaceutical grade fish oil (at the time coincidentally only available through a company bearing his name) was acceptable.

All of these conflicts of interest----man, I feel like a total babe in the woods! lol

As for Pescatore's endorsement in the WW article---it might also be that he gave it a general endorsement when it was simply Atkins with less fat, before it's various incarnations (what are we up to now, 5 plans?).

OR, since WW took liberties in the sample menu, perhaps he endorsed that menu. Do we know?

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by Joycelyn

Yes, Dr. Atkins was Dr. Pescatore's mentor in the clinic Atkins had in Manhattan (now closed after his death).

Dr. Pescatore originally was an Atkins devotee, but then branched off into his own low carb thing that really pushes macademia nut oil as the next messiah.

Anyone willing to wager if he sells the stuff?

I saw that on his site as well. He does. lol

Um...What about his plan? Any info on that? Is it like anything and is it extreme?

Since he does the Macademia nut oil, I would assume it's not starvation and fear of fat. Maybe lower in carbs and cals with Healthy fat.

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

Yup..I'm the queen of diet plans..LOL..It is based on the Mediterraen diet. He thinks we should use macadamia nut oil along with good healthy veggies/proteins. It's very similar to Atkins although likes to use the olive and mac oils instead. I just wrote him an email saying that I was confused that he was associated with a lowfat plan because his plan is NOT like Kimkins.

Maybe he will be careful what he endorses next time..

Thanks Carolyn, that's what I thought.

[Dig62]

Jimmy, I'm glad I stayed anonymous because your response was totally over the top. The comment about you getting US$15 from every kimkins referral was a simple question. I have seen it posted on a low carb site.
# posted by Anonymous : 6/17/2007 8:17 PM

As for the your question about my affiliate relationship with Kimkins, I don't think it's any of your business. I wouldn't ask you how much money you make at your job, so I would only ask that you respect the same courtesy with me.
# posted by Jimmy Moore : 6/17/2007 9:13 PM

I agree with Jimmy on this one. It's none of your business what his particular financial relationship is with KimKins or how much he makes. I do however feel that these 'affiliates' should at least make known that they are being paid for their promotional activities. At least then you would know that their information is biased. However, the particulars of their financial arrangement is really none of your business.

Dig

[tiggerr]

From Yahoo answers:

The herbal slimming teas are senna based and a laxative. I wouldn't use these frequently.

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by controlledcarb

I haven't read the quote attributed to him, but if he'd said something previously in the media that fit, re-quoting may explain how it made it into the Kimkins article in WW.

Bingo! Those were my thoughts as well.

[CarolynF]

Let me type what he "said";

Low-carb expert Fred P, MD,author of The Hampton's Diet, also notes that Kimkins steers dieters away from high-calorie low-carb foods---including oil, nuts, and fatty meat......

Dr. P agrees about no sugar alcohols (my edit)..

Like Atkins, Kimkins forces the body to turn stored fat into a fuel normally made from carbs, says Dr. P.

And since Kimkins works these wonders for substantially fewer calories than other lowcarb diets, you lose much faster, explains Dr. P.

Now is this guy dissing his own plan??????????????????????????

I think he is an extremely reputable man..who needs to be called to task...

I don't think he knew what he was doing..He may NOT like saturated fats, but
that's his choice, but his diet is based on mac oil..Isn't that a fat?

[HevinMonkey]

This exchange is taken from the yahoo answers page:

Original Question:
Is 1000 calories/day too little? I'm trying to lose about 100lbs within the year. I'm working out about every other day, and eating a lot less calories. I'm a vegetarian sorta.. i eat chicken... that's it for meat. I'm maintaing no more then 1000 calories a day. Is that to little? Can I lose weight like this?? Or should I go higher?

Assorted Answers:

*If you are going to go as low as 1000 calories in a day, you should be monitored by a registered dietitian. You shouldn't put yourself on a calorie intake that low without being monitored by a registered dietitian.
*I can tell you that for my morbidly obese patients, I have never gone lower than 1200 kcals a day.
*The only issue is you will put yourself at risk with such a low calorie level, and could develop deficiencies, which can permanently damage your vital organs.
* When I extreme diet I do 800-1200 calories a day, with no more than 10 grams of fat. It worked, but gained it all back when i stopped.
*1000 calories is too little. You need at least 1200. Seriously. Your metabolism will shut down after a while and go in starvation mode with only 1000 calories, and hoard everything.
* Cue the Robot from Lost in Space flailing his arms and saying "Danger, Will Robinson -- DANGER!!! THAT'S TOO LITTLE!!!

Kimmer's Answer: 1000 calories is fine, especially if you're picking good quality nutritious food. Look at this sample low carb menu recently posted on the Kimkins Diet website which is only 600 calories...Extremely nutritious, low in calories, excellent for weight loss. With Kimkins you would lose 100 lbs much sooner than 1 year.

Scary, huh? And she's the expert?

[cleochatra]

Originally Posted by Dig62

I agree with Jimmy on this one. It's none of your business what his particular financial relationship is with KimKins or how much he makes. I do however feel that these 'affiliates' should at least make known that they are being paid for their promotional activities. At least then you would know that their information is biased. However, the particulars of their financial arrangement is really none of your business.

Dig

Hi! Are you assuming that anonymous poster came from lowcarbfriends?

Ooh boy.

At any rate (in my case, about 38 words per minute) I agree he should be open with his merchandising and ho-ing. He seems to be protesting way too much for someone who acts as though he has nothing to hide.