Why the fascination with Kimmer? - Page 103

cleochatra · 07-12-2007, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AllieCat0817

Cleo, you ate 500 cals per day? I do remember you saying something like 900 before, and that alone DID worry me because I just thought that was WAY TOO LOW. But 500?

See how this thread is just bringing it all out for EVERYONE. Glad you found Low GL.

!

Yup, I was a fibber. I had to be. I had to cover up how little I was eating to everyone save for the people who had an inkling and kept quiet because they were doing the same thing. Besides, my doctor told me that it was fine to eat 500 calories a day. Still, it was extremely dysfunctional and led me from binging to almost never eating.

And I had to lie about it as a moderator because I was a role model, and there was a lot of pressure to be perfect.

If you have to be secretive about it, or hem and haw about it, or give details in a private setting, it's not healthy, safe or sane.

And that's the question for any diet or tweakage therein.

Is it healthy? Is it safe? Is it sane? If you wouldn't put you daughter on it, the answer is no.

lala · 07-12-2007, 02:04 PM

TT, Kiki and julie

if i missed anyone else i am sorry! i am so thankful to you all for sharing your stories! i know it is painful but in a strange way it also feels good to let it out, at least for me it did! my prayers are with you all

bakc to crying now!

stews · 07-12-2007, 02:05 PM

I also agree sometimes we don't see it ourselves. when I first started losing weight I told dh I didn't know if I'd see it and I NEEDED him to tell me if enough is enough. when I got to my first goal I talked to him about going a little farther. I am not quite where I want to be at this point, but now if I go a little lower it truly is a little at a time and will not be decided to go farther IF I want to at that point unless dh says it's ok. I know I can trust him to be honest. he won't just say no because I look good where I'm at if I'm wanting to go lower BUT he won't say yes, just to appease me there either. PLUS, I have added protection through my nutrition and fitness coach. she sees my stats and occasional pictures and I know she would tell me if I was getting too thin.

problem is many people don't place those protective measures in their lives and rely on themselves. if they don't see it, they fall in a dangerous position.

I just really hope this thread has enough good info about ED's now that it will prevent at least some.

Denise85 · 07-12-2007, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jayed

I've debated about posting this. But seeing so many other brave people tell their story, I feel compelled to share mine.

I am a member of kimmer's site and have been on her plan since early February. I started the boot camp plan about 2 weeks in and was averaging under 400 calories a day. And feeling extremely guilty if I hit 400+. I was also exercising 5-6 days a week, which I continue to do.

Did I lose a lot of weight? Sure. But I also started binging. Again. I came to kimkins with a history of bulimia with anorexic tendencies, so you would think I would have known better. But I did it anyway. I dealt with the binging by exercising even more, restricting even more, purging, laxatives. It's not pretty. But I am having a very hard time walking away. I have slowly upped my calories to between 500 and 800. I know that's still very low but I am terrified to go higher.

I don't know that I have any room to blame Kimmer, as I have done this to myself. But I really wish I would have realized 6 months ago how far I would backslide into my old dangerous habits. I probably should have known.

Julie

As a former bulimic with anorexic tendancies and exercise bulima (Diagnosed by an ED specialist) I beg you to seek counseling. We both know this will not go away. I nearly died twice from my ED. Please don't let it go that far. Everytime you B/P you risk having a heart attack and dying. Laxatives are very dangerous too. You need to seek professional help before it's too late.

Sweeteater · 07-12-2007, 02:06 PM

this whole thread just makes me so

CJane · 07-12-2007, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jayed

I've debated about posting this. But seeing so many other brave people tell their story, I feel compelled to share mine.

I am a member of kimmer's site and have been on her plan since early February. I started the boot camp plan about 2 weeks in and was averaging under 400 calories a day. And feeling extremely guilty if I hit 400+. I was also exercising 5-6 days a week, which I continue to do.

Did I lose a lot of weight? Sure. But I also started binging. Again. I came to kimkins with a history of bulimia with anorexic tendencies, so you would think I would have known better. But I did it anyway. I dealt with the binging by exercising even more, restricting even more, purging, laxatives. It's not pretty. But I am having a very hard time walking away. I have slowly upped my calories to between 500 and 800. I know that's still very low but I am terrified to go higher.

I don't know that I have any room to blame Kimmer, as I have done this to myself. But I really wish I would have realized 6 months ago how far I would backslide into my old dangerous habits. I probably should have known.

Julie

See, but that's the whole thing...of course a diet that promotes extremely low calorie eating is going to trigger those already prone to ED's.

We may be responsible individually for what we do, but I do not think that the promotion of such an eating plan is ethical, moral, or responsible.

Yes, there are new bad diets that pop up every day, but for Kimkins to be seriously considered as an option to healthy weight loss? That's just ridiculous. (At least anything lower than 1200 calories a day - that's NOT okay!!)

HevinMonkey · 07-12-2007, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by canadiandina

I didn't want to share my story but I think I will. I never joined Kimmers site but I did try her way of eating when she was on LCF. As a result, I lost weight. I got down to my lowest point, to the point where my whole family was asking me to just stop. I followed her plan and lost all the weight but I was only eating once a day...and seriously it was so little, you can not even call that eating. In my mind I knew that what I was doing was wrong and unhealthy, but the positive weight loss made me disregard that.

Lost story short....I got married and started enjoying life again. I started eating all 3 meals and gained back all my weight, plus some. And so once again, here I am....eating only once a day because I know that I need to keep my calories low in order to lose weight. It has been embedded into my mind and as much as I hate thinking this way, I feel like I can't stop.

Did I do this to myself, or did Kimmer's plan? I think I am responsible but at the same time I wish I never read her posts. She made it seem so easy....she influenced me into thinking that I would be able to do this for life and that this was actually okay to eat so little. I'm still struggling with this and I really hope that no one else goes through it.

We are thinking a thread specific to this needs to be started so we can continue the valuable thing (whatever it is - I don't know WHAT to call it!) that is going on here - and that is just by those few that have felt safe enough to speak up a little. How many more aren't there yet and are going thru their own personal hell? Thank you for sharing, and please know we are here for you - I have seen such incredible compassion and support over the last day or two by truly amazing people, so you are definitely in the right place!

LINC · 07-12-2007, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by stews

it wouldn't matter if it did require a certain age. look at myspace...they lie about their age OFTEN. (or course sometimes so do adults

).

But I think that if they required that you had to be a certain age, and you lied about that, you wouldn't come out and say your were 15 years old on the forums or to the moderators. I was wondering if anyone there knowingly advised a 15 year old girl to take laxatives and eat 500 calories a day. If I had a daughter, and I found out that there was a forum out there that encouraged that type of unhealthy eating and didn't at least make a small effort to exclude children from it, I would be mighty upset.

Lou

Sweeteater · 07-12-2007, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayed

I've debated about posting this. But seeing so many other brave people tell their story, I feel compelled to share mine.

I am a member of kimmer's site and have been on her plan since early February. I started the boot camp plan about 2 weeks in and was averaging under 400 calories a day. And feeling extremely guilty if I hit 400+. I was also exercising 5-6 days a week, which I continue to do.

Did I lose a lot of weight? Sure. But I also started binging. Again. I came to kimkins with a history of bulimia with anorexic tendencies, so you would think I would have known better. But I did it anyway. I dealt with the binging by exercising even more, restricting even more, purging, laxatives. It's not pretty. But I am having a very hard time walking away. I have slowly upped my calories to between 500 and 800. I know that's still very low but I am terrified to go higher.

I don't know that I have any room to blame Kimmer, as I have done this to myself. But I really wish I would have realized 6 months ago how far I would backslide into my old dangerous habits. I probably should have known.

Julie

stews · 07-12-2007, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by HevinMonkey

We are thinking a thread specific to this needs to be started so we can continue the valuable thing (whatever it is - I don't know WHAT to call it!) that is going on here - and that is just by those few that have felt safe enough to speak up a little. How many more aren't there yet and are going thru their own personal hell? Thank you for sharing, and please know we are here for you - I have seen such incredible compassion and support over the last day or two by truly amazing people, so you are definitely in the right place!

I think that is a really good idea. maybe the posts specifically to ED's could even be moved there to clean this one up a bit and try to get it back on topic.

HevinMonkey · 07-12-2007, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LINC

Question.......

Is there an age requirement for joining Kimkins? Could a teenager or young girl join that site? It seems to me to be a very dangerous place for a young girl to get "dieting" advice. It's a dangerous place for anyone, but especially someone who really doesn't have any clue what type of road they're headed on and is getting encouragement from adults to follow it.

Does anyone know?

Lou

I don't know, but was wondering the same thing. To be honest, I almost expected to see mention of her in postings on the pro-ana site I was looking at. With the direct quotes from the person that developed the Kimkins woe, I could definitely see it catching on quickly in that community - and what one tries they all seem to try.

jayed · 07-12-2007, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Denise85

As a former bulimic with anorexic tendancies and exercise bulima (Diagnosed by an ED specialist) I beg you to seek counseling. We both know this will not go away. I nearly died twice from my ED. Please don't let it go that far. Everytime you B/P you risk having a heart attack and dying. Laxatives are very dangerous too. You need to seek professional help before it's too late.

Thanks Denise. I know you are right. I was hospitalized twice in my early twenties and have been through more therapists than I can count. You know I had not touched a laxative in almost 10 years until I went on kimkins. She really does say it's okay to use them daily and I chose to buy into that. I have stopped using them and never got back to an abuse level thank god. They are really evil. I just cannot believe I am back here.

stews · 07-12-2007, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LINC

But I think that if they required that you had to be a certain age, and you lied about that, you wouldn't come out and say your were 15 years old on the forums or to the moderators. I was wondering if anyone there knowingly advised a 15 year old girl to take laxatives and eat 500 calories a day. If I had a daughter, and I found out that there was a forum out there that encouraged that type of unhealthy eating and didn't at least make a small effort to exclude children from it, I would be mighty upset.

Lou

she shouldn't be advising or encouraging ANYONE to take laxatives and eat dangerously low (IMO). it is dangerous. I also agree, to see teenagers get sucked into it in their young lives and naiveness is even riskier.

the more I read, the more I believe it needs to STOP. for the safety of people's physical and emotional, phsycological health.

Tooter · 07-12-2007, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cleochatra

Yup, I was a fibber. I had to be. I had to cover up how little I was eating to everyone save for the people who had an inkling and kept quiet because they were doing the same thing. Besides, my doctor told me that it was fine to eat 500 calories a day. Still, it was extremely dysfunctional and led me from binging to almost never eating.

And I had to lie about it as a moderator because I was a role model, and there was a lot of pressure to be perfect.

If you have to be secretive about it, or hem and haw about it, or give details in a private setting, it's not healthy, safe or sane.

And that's the question for any diet or tweakage therein.

Is it healthy? Is it safe? Is it sane? If you wouldn't put you daughter on it, the answer is no.

AMEN, AMEN and AMEN!!!!!

lala · 07-12-2007, 02:11 PM

Denise i forgot to

you thanks for your support here!

lala · 07-12-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by HevinMonkey

We are thinking a thread specific to this needs to be started so we can continue the valuable thing (whatever it is - I don't know WHAT to call it!) that is going on here - and that is just by those few that have felt safe enough to speak up a little. How many more aren't there yet and are going thru their own personal hell? Thank you for sharing, and please know we are here for you - I have seen such incredible compassion and support over the last day or two by truly amazing people, so you are definitely in the right place!

you bet me to it!

CarolynF · 07-12-2007, 02:13 PM

Well, I doubt if any kid in highschool would pay the $60 to join the Kimkins site..They would just watch the way their moms were eating (500 calories or less) and think this is the way to lose weight...as well as the laxative use.

Our kids learn from us and that is the scarey part.

Tennis4.0 · 07-12-2007, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by LINC

But I think that if they required that you had to be a certain age, and you lied about that, you wouldn't come out and say your were 15 years old on the forums or to the moderators. I was wondering if anyone there knowingly advised a 15 year old girl to take laxatives and eat 500 calories a day. If I had a daughter, and I found out that there was a forum out there that encouraged that type of unhealthy eating and didn't at least make a small effort to exclude children from it, I would be mighty upset.

Lou

If there are any investigative reporters out there looking into this, this might be something to look for. What a headline that would be.

Tennis4.0 · 07-12-2007, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CarolynF

Well, I doubt if any kid in highschool would pay the $60 to join the Kimkins site..They would just watch the way their moms were eating (500 calories or less) and think this is the way to lose weight...as well as the laxative use.

Our kids learn from us and that is the scarey part.

True, but there are lots of HS/MS kids going behind their parents back and stealing credit cards to access things.

HevinMonkey · 07-12-2007, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tippy Toes

Worse for me, I have had not one but TWO Doctors recently tell me to keep losing and get to 135. I am 5' 7" and what I weigh today is the same as when I was a teen. Am I still a little chunky? Family, husband and friends say no. I wouldn't know, lol. But I am putting the brakes on this thing now before it gets out of hand for me as well. Calling goal.

TT - Awesome post and so wise of you to not let things get out of hand - not always an easy thing to do! I have read alot of what you say over time and I think you are awesome - committed to the lifestyle, supportive, friendly and always ready to learn and try. I also think you are beautiful and CONGRATULATIONS for meeting goal! I look forward to that!

lala · 07-12-2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CarolynF

Well, I doubt if any kid in highschool would pay the $60 to join the Kimkins site..They would just watch the way their moms were eating (500 calories or less) and think this is the way to lose weight...as well as the laxative use.

Our kids learn from us and that is the scarey part.

why wouldnt they pay? when i was 13 i would buy slim fast cause i thought it would help, and my mom is thin and she eats enough to shame some men! JMHO

Sweeteater · 07-12-2007, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lala

my mom is thin and she eats enough to shame some men! JMHO

I have girl friends like that!

LaurieRobo · 07-12-2007, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by canadiandina

I didn't want to share my story but I think I will. I never joined Kimmers site but I did try her way of eating when she was on LCF. As a result, I lost weight. I got down to my lowest point, to the point where my whole family was asking me to just stop. I followed her plan and lost all the weight but I was only eating once a day...and seriously it was so little, you can not even call that eating. In my mind I knew that what I was doing was wrong and unhealthy, but the positive weight loss made me disregard that.

Lost story short....I got married and started enjoying life again. I started eating all 3 meals and gained back all my weight, plus some. And so once again, here I am....eating only once a day because I know that I need to keep my calories low in order to lose weight. It has been embedded into my mind and as much as I hate thinking this way, I feel like I can't stop.

Did I do this to myself, or did Kimmer's plan? I think I am responsible but at the same time I wish I never read her posts. She made it seem so easy....she influenced me into thinking that I would be able to do this for life and that this was actually okay to eat so little. I'm still struggling with this and I really hope that no one else goes through it.

Thank you for sharing - I'm glad to see some folks coming out of the woodwor

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stews Random WIT Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: in the state of desperation Posts: 51,690 Blog Entries: 20 Gallery: stews Stats: 196/189.4/135 OR size 20-22/14-16/4-6 WOE: Learning2Lose with Jackie Brown Start Date: restarted 11/9/08	I also agree sometimes we don't see it ourselves. when I first started losing weight I told dh I didn't know if I'd see it and I NEEDED him to tell me if enough is enough. when I got to my first goal I talked to him about going a little farther. I am not quite where I want to be at this point, but now if I go a little lower it truly is a little at a time and will not be decided to go farther IF I want to at that point unless dh says it's ok. I know I can trust him to be honest. he won't just say no because I look good where I'm at if I'm wanting to go lower BUT he won't say yes, just to appease me there either. PLUS, I have added protection through my nutrition and fitness coach. she sees my stats and occasional pictures and I know she would tell me if I was getting too thin. problem is many people don't place those protective measures in their lives and rely on themselves. if they don't see it, they fall in a dangerous position. I just really hope this thread has enough good info about ED's now that it will prevent at least some. __________________ We are family...I have all my WIT sisters with ME! I love my SNARK sisters too! stews space

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lala MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: SALINAS, CALIFAS Posts: 1,030 Gallery: lala	TT, Kiki and julie if i missed anyone else i am sorry! i am so thankful to you all for sharing your stories! i know it is painful but in a strange way it also feels good to let it out, at least for me it did! my prayers are with you all bakc to crying now!

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lala MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: SALINAS, CALIFAS Posts: 1,030 Gallery: lala	Denise i forgot to you thanks for your support here!

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CarolynF Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Kansas Posts: 19,974 Gallery: CarolynF Stats: 195/144/139 WOE: Eat Fat, Get Thin/I Can Make You Thin Start Date: January 2001	Well, I doubt if any kid in highschool would pay the $60 to join the Kimkins site..They would just watch the way their moms were eating (500 calories or less) and think this is the way to lose weight...as well as the laxative use. Our kids learn from us and that is the scarey part.