the bathroom question (not asking, answering)

Food_Discussion · 06-30-2007, 12:04 PM

I've noticed that a lot of people are concerned about not pooping. If you're not in pain/discomfort.. you probably do not have a problem. Very low carb produces very little residue. There is just not much to get rid of!! Once you add vegitation and fibre, THAT is what you're eliminating, it is not the fibre is helping you to get rid of the other stuff. I belong to some zero carb message boards and across the board people poop very little compared to vegitation eaters.. and report a lot of satisfaction with their movements. We are told constantly that we need fibre, and lots of it to have healthy bms, and that is simply not the case. I just wanted to mention this because so many people get really worried about it.

pink parsley · 06-30-2007, 12:15 PM

This is absolutely true. There really is no residue left over to eliminate on either M/E or K/E, because you're not ingesting vegetation. I've never had a problem with constipation on M/E and stopped having BMs completely when I adhered strictly. The same thing is happening with K/E. Animal protein gets chewed up completely by the acids in the stomach, so there's nothing left to eliminate.

Saves a little time, frankly.

Not having to use the restroom, I mean.

Shannon_ · 06-30-2007, 06:03 PM

If I had known, I wouldnt have stopped K/E today! I havent gone since 2 Tuesdays ago..despite taking MOM (nothing but water came out..and it hurt!) and then last night I took that Smooth Move...NOTHING!

Today, I got so concerned that I blew the whole thing! I guess if Im gonna stop going #2 with K/E..really? no residue? Then I will start right back up!

pink parsley · 06-30-2007, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shannon_

If I had known, I wouldnt have stopped K/E today! I havent gone since 2 Tuesdays ago..despite taking MOM (nothing but water came out..and it hurt!) and then last night I took that Smooth Move...NOTHING!

Today, I got so concerned that I blew the whole thing! I guess if Im gonna stop going #2 with K/E..really? no residue? Then I will start right back up!

Shannon - If you don't have a feeling of constipation or "needing to go but can't," then, yes, you're fine. It's normal not to have BMs when you don't eat plant material, fiber, whatever you want to call it. And I don't mean just "high-fiber" foods. Back when I was on M/E, my first "off-plan" item was a fairly large slice of birthday cake at a friend's house - I had my first BM after having been on M/E, even though there's nothing "fibrous" about chocolate cake! It still has a lot of plant stuff in it - flour, sugar, etc.

When all you eat is meat and eggs, physiologically there's nothing left to leave the stomach and travel through the intestines.

TMI - sorry!

flagal189 · 07-01-2007, 06:24 PM

Well I am on M/E and I have the opposite effect of constipation with out getting too detailed..i have been on M/E for 2 weeks and everyday this is what happens...any suggestions or possible causes? Also my fat intake is limited to about 30g per day and my carbs are under 8g per day...

Hopefultobemomtomax · 07-02-2007, 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flagal189

Well I am on M/E and I have the opposite effect of constipation with out getting too detailed..i have been on M/E for 2 weeks and everyday this is what happens...any suggestions or possible causes? Also my fat intake is limited to about 30g per day and my carbs are under 8g per day...

I have the same problem, since I started k/e and kimkins, everyone else has constipation so this is strange, I thought I'd call my doctor. Any answers on this one?

Mimosa23 · 07-02-2007, 07:58 AM

Ok, TMI, but with me it's either nothing, or I get the opposite, like the two lovely ladies above this post...

I never know, but as long as I feel fine, and my weight is dropping, I'm not too worried!

Hopefultobemomtomax · 07-02-2007, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mimosa23

Ok, TMI, but with me it's either nothing, or I get the opposite, like the two lovely ladies above this post...

I never know, but as long as I feel fine, and my weight is dropping, I'm not too worried!

Thanks, I like it, as long and you are losing, you are not worrying. Also, love the signature, 7 days cheese free, 2 days smoke free, you are amazing doing them both at the same time, congrats to you. I had to give up cheese, it stalls me, I love it, coming from Wisconsin, America's Dairyland, that is a staple here, fresh milk, fresh cottage cheese, fresh cheese curds, and the list goes on and on. I am glad I am not the only one.

daisyHair · 07-02-2007, 12:57 PM

I have the opposite problem as well..
I think it's probably normal to be either way...

I also wonder about all the water we are drinking.
Maybe we are naturally cleaning out our colons?

I don't worry if I don't feel bad..
and my skin looks amazing.. that is proof enough to
me that I am fine..

Daisy~

Divinity · 07-02-2007, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daisyHair

I have the opposite problem as well..
I think it's probably normal to be either way...

I also wonder about all the water we are drinking.
Maybe we are naturally cleaning out our colons?

I don't worry if I don't feel bad..
and my skin looks amazing.. that is proof enough to
me that I am fine..

Daisy~

Me too! I keep looking in the mirror going "Who is that clear-eyed, smooth-skinned girl in the mirror?"

Mimosa23 · 07-03-2007, 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hopefultobemomtomax

Thanks, I like it, as long and you are losing, you are not worrying. Also, love the signature, 7 days cheese free, 2 days smoke free, you are amazing doing them both at the same time, congrats to you. I had to give up cheese, it stalls me, I love it, coming from Wisconsin, America's Dairyland, that is a staple here, fresh milk, fresh cottage cheese, fresh cheese curds, and the list goes on and on. I am glad I am not the only one.

Cheese totally is my downfall. I can't even have cream cheese or cottage cheese... I think I'm slightly lactose intolerant, which doesn't really surprise me as I used to have a cow milk allergy when I was a young child.

I have to admit that I feel a lot better when I don't eat cheese, but I do miss it a lot!

Hopefultobemomtomax · 07-03-2007, 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mimosa23

Cheese totally is my downfall. I can't even have cream cheese or cottage cheese... I think I'm slightly lactose intolerant, which doesn't really surprise me as I used to have a cow milk allergy when I was a young child.

I have to admit that I feel a lot better when I don't eat cheese, but I do miss it a lot!

Yes me too, but it stalls me. My husband is finding that out too, he is doing kimkins with me and he said I only lost 2 lbs. this week, (which by the way I think is great) but I told him it could be all the cheese you are eating. He doesn't like that idea, maybe he'll come up with that same idea on his own one day, then he'll get it....(hee hee, naughty wife).

Mimosa23 · 07-03-2007, 06:52 AM

Kimkins is the only way to lose for me, as it controls my fat, portions and cheese intake! I have major food issues and until I deal with them one by one (which I'm in the process of doing right now) I can't be on another eating plan. Once I get close to goal I'm going to be working towards an Atkins WOE.

Hot Tamale · 07-03-2007, 06:15 PM

No residue - NONE?!?!?! Wow. My BM's have slowed way down in frequency and volume, but none? Is that okay for a person? Any doctor ever comment to anyone about that?

flagal189 · 07-07-2007, 08:24 PM

Ok so for the ladies with the opposite problem..i asked my dr about it and she said b/c of the diet I am on it is my bodies natural reaction to cleanse itself and I asked about the constipation for other people and she said that is probably due to lack of fiber and she recommends taking milk thistle until you are regular again....HTH

NDSunflowers · 07-10-2007, 01:57 PM

It is not true that your body does not produce any residue on this woe (or any for that matter). Our bodies aren't that efficient. But because we're not eating much fiber, we don't have much to help it move along. Because of this, if you're not going, you should probably be taking a supplement of some sort (milk thistle, magnesum, etc...). Here's some good info I found online(excuse the word poop, but it's the most mild word I could think of...)

What is poop made of?

About 3/4 of your average poop is made of water. Of course, this
value is highly variable - the water content of diarrhea is much higher, and the amount of water in poop that has been retained (voluntarily or otherwise)is lower. Water is absorbed out of fecal material as it passes through the intestine, so the longer a poop resides inside before emerging, the drier it will be.

Of the remaining portion of the poop, about 1/3 is composed of dead
bacteria. These “microcorpses” come from the intestinal garden of
microorganisms that assist us in the digestion of our food.

Another 1/3 of the poop mass is made of stuff that we find indigestible, like cellulose, for instance. This indigestible material is called "fiber," and is useful in getting the poop to move along through the intestine, perhaps because it provides traction.

The remaining portion of the poop is a mixture of fats such as cholesterol, inorganic salts like phosphates, live bacteria, dead cells and mucus from the lining of the intestine, and protein.

I didn't want anyone thinking that they were OK if they weren't going... that's just not healthy.

Food_Discussion · 07-11-2007, 03:47 AM

I don't understand why eliminating less, when it is comfortable, well formed, comes out easy - just saying, not a problem poo - would be unhealthy. It's not called constipation when you're pooping less, constipation is hard stools which are difficult to pass. I don't need extra "junk" in my intestines just for the satisfaction of seeing something come out every day.. what comes out is junk, not special healthy stuff that my body is using. When you eat a lot of crap, fibre can help you eliminate it, when you don't.. there is no need for it. Ever notice that you don't get gas while eating like this? You don't have vegetation sitting in your intestines fermenting, you don't have roughage scraping your intestinal walls... protein digests in the stomach and exits as a liquid, the excess is absorbed and what very little is left comes out. No need for fibre or supplements to help it along.. unless you're eating cheese, which tends to constipate. People with chronic conditions like IBS and crohn's generally do very well on a no fibre diet.

Crohnie · 07-11-2007, 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Food_Discussion

People with chronic conditions like IBS and crohn's generally do very well on a no fibre diet.

not always...YMMV......if people are having CONSTANT problems, they should be seeing a doctor on ANY diet. PERIOD

NDSunflowers · 07-11-2007, 12:00 PM

Quote:

I don't understand why eliminating less, when it is comfortable, well formed, comes out easy - just saying, not a problem poo - would be unhealthy.

I didn't say it was. But because of this comment...

Quote:

No residue - NONE?!?!?! Wow. My BM's have slowed way down in frequency and volume, but none? Is that okay for a person?

I didn't want people thinking that no residue was OK. My point was there still should be some waste. (Our bodies are not 100% efficient no matter what we're eating.) And if there isn't, you should probably be looking into some sort of supplement.

This was more of an FYI post so people don't go around thinking that not having a BM is OK.

Food_Discussion · 07-12-2007, 03:15 AM

Ok sorry, I jumped off typing with the wrong impression then... I admit I'm a little on the defensive side because I'm tired of being lectured ad nauseum, being told that everyone needs lots of fibre to maintain a healthy GI tract, which was not what you were doing. And Crohnie I didn't mean to say every person with that kind of condition does best with zero fibre, just that many do. Obviously by your alias you'd have more info as you're living it, and I'm not.

Sueparl · 07-13-2007, 03:03 PM

Thanks for the info, Food Discussion. Could you please post some links to the zero carb discussion boards? I'm very interested in reading more about it. Thanks!!!
Sue

Food_Discussion · 07-16-2007, 07:35 AM

i'd love to post a link but I'm not sure if it's allowed! Not trying to be stupid here, but I've already posted a link to an ebay seller without thinking and that was not allowed. Can I get in trouble for this? We can go to email if you want..

Sueparl · 07-16-2007, 10:43 AM

I think it's allowed unless it's someone selling something in competition with Netrition ( which I use often and love!!!). But, no matter--feel free to use my email: Sueparl@aol.com.

Thanks so much--I'm really looking forward to reading more about this!
Sue
Sueparl at aol (just in case we're not alllowed to post email addresses!!)

06-30-2007, 12:04 PM	#1
Food_Discussion Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 66 Gallery: Food_Discussion	the bathroom question (not asking, answering) I've noticed that a lot of people are concerned about not pooping. If you're not in pain/discomfort.. you probably do not have a problem. Very low carb produces very little residue. There is just not much to get rid of!! Once you add vegitation and fibre, THAT is what you're eliminating, it is not the fibre is helping you to get rid of the other stuff. I belong to some zero carb message boards and across the board people poop very little compared to vegitation eaters.. and report a lot of satisfaction with their movements. We are told constantly that we need fibre, and lots of it to have healthy bms, and that is simply not the case. I just wanted to mention this because so many people get really worried about it.

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06-30-2007, 12:15 PM	#2
pink parsley Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 181 Gallery: pink parsley Stats: 159/137/125 WOE: K/E Start Date: 6/25/07	This is absolutely true. There really is no residue left over to eliminate on either M/E or K/E, because you're not ingesting vegetation. I've never had a problem with constipation on M/E and stopped having BMs completely when I adhered strictly. The same thing is happening with K/E. Animal protein gets chewed up completely by the acids in the stomach, so there's nothing left to eliminate. Saves a little time, frankly. Not having to use the restroom, I mean.

06-30-2007, 06:03 PM	#3
Shannon_ Junior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: FL Posts: 21 Gallery: Shannon_ Stats: 133/126.6/105 WOE: K/E,Stillman's QWL Start Date: 6/21/07	If I had known, I wouldnt have stopped K/E today! I havent gone since 2 Tuesdays ago..despite taking MOM (nothing but water came out..and it hurt!) and then last night I took that Smooth Move...NOTHING! Today, I got so concerned that I blew the whole thing! I guess if Im gonna stop going #2 with K/E..really? no residue? Then I will start right back up!

07-01-2007, 06:24 PM	#5
flagal189 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 174 Gallery: flagal189 Stats: 234/210.2/150 WOE: K/E and Atkins '72 Start Date: 6/19/2007	Well I am on M/E and I have the opposite effect of constipation with out getting too detailed..i have been on M/E for 2 weeks and everyday this is what happens...any suggestions or possible causes? Also my fat intake is limited to about 30g per day and my carbs are under 8g per day...

07-02-2007, 07:58 AM	#7
Mimosa23 Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: State of perpetual confusion! Posts: 3,551 Gallery: Mimosa23 Stats: GOAL!!! Maintaining with a smile! WOE: Maintenance Mediterranean diet	Ok, TMI, but with me it's either nothing, or I get the opposite, like the two lovely ladies above this post... I never know, but as long as I feel fine, and my weight is dropping, I'm not too worried!

07-02-2007, 12:57 PM	#9
daisyHair MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: May 2007 Location: Orlando Posts: 1,830 Gallery: daisyHair Stats: 257/209/207/135 WOE: Atkins OWL	I have the opposite problem as well.. I think it's probably normal to be either way... I also wonder about all the water we are drinking. Maybe we are naturally cleaning out our colons? I don't worry if I don't feel bad.. and my skin looks amazing.. that is proof enough to me that I am fine.. Daisy~

07-03-2007, 06:52 AM	#13
Mimosa23 Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: State of perpetual confusion! Posts: 3,551 Gallery: Mimosa23 Stats: GOAL!!! Maintaining with a smile! WOE: Maintenance Mediterranean diet	Kimkins is the only way to lose for me, as it controls my fat, portions and cheese intake! I have major food issues and until I deal with them one by one (which I'm in the process of doing right now) I can't be on another eating plan. Once I get close to goal I'm going to be working towards an Atkins WOE.

07-03-2007, 06:15 PM	#14
Hot Tamale Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 3,301 Gallery: Hot Tamale Stats: 375/321.5/175 WOE: LowCarb Start Date: every 24 hours...	No residue - NONE?!?!?! Wow. My BM's have slowed way down in frequency and volume, but none? Is that okay for a person? Any doctor ever comment to anyone about that?

07-07-2007, 08:24 PM	#15
flagal189 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 174 Gallery: flagal189 Stats: 234/210.2/150 WOE: K/E and Atkins '72 Start Date: 6/19/2007	Ok so for the ladies with the opposite problem..i asked my dr about it and she said b/c of the diet I am on it is my bodies natural reaction to cleanse itself and I asked about the constipation for other people and she said that is probably due to lack of fiber and she recommends taking milk thistle until you are regular again....HTH

07-10-2007, 01:57 PM	#16
NDSunflowers Guest Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: MT Posts: 33 Gallery: NDSunflowers Stats: 214/206.4/140ish WOE: Atkins / Carb-cycling	It is not true that your body does not produce any residue on this woe (or any for that matter). Our bodies aren't that efficient. But because we're not eating much fiber, we don't have much to help it move along. Because of this, if you're not going, you should probably be taking a supplement of some sort (milk thistle, magnesum, etc...). Here's some good info I found online(excuse the word poop, but it's the most mild word I could think of...) What is poop made of? About 3/4 of your average poop is made of water. Of course, this value is highly variable - the water content of diarrhea is much higher, and the amount of water in poop that has been retained (voluntarily or otherwise)is lower. Water is absorbed out of fecal material as it passes through the intestine, so the longer a poop resides inside before emerging, the drier it will be. Of the remaining portion of the poop, about 1/3 is composed of dead bacteria. These “microcorpses” come from the intestinal garden of microorganisms that assist us in the digestion of our food. Another 1/3 of the poop mass is made of stuff that we find indigestible, like cellulose, for instance. This indigestible material is called "fiber," and is useful in getting the poop to move along through the intestine, perhaps because it provides traction. The remaining portion of the poop is a mixture of fats such as cholesterol, inorganic salts like phosphates, live bacteria, dead cells and mucus from the lining of the intestine, and protein. I didn't want anyone thinking that they were OK if they weren't going... that's just not healthy.

07-11-2007, 03:47 AM	#17
Food_Discussion Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 66 Gallery: Food_Discussion	I don't understand why eliminating less, when it is comfortable, well formed, comes out easy - just saying, not a problem poo - would be unhealthy. It's not called constipation when you're pooping less, constipation is hard stools which are difficult to pass. I don't need extra "junk" in my intestines just for the satisfaction of seeing something come out every day.. what comes out is junk, not special healthy stuff that my body is using. When you eat a lot of crap, fibre can help you eliminate it, when you don't.. there is no need for it. Ever notice that you don't get gas while eating like this? You don't have vegetation sitting in your intestines fermenting, you don't have roughage scraping your intestinal walls... protein digests in the stomach and exits as a liquid, the excess is absorbed and what very little is left comes out. No need for fibre or supplements to help it along.. unless you're eating cheese, which tends to constipate. People with chronic conditions like IBS and crohn's generally do very well on a no fibre diet.

07-12-2007, 03:15 AM	#20
Food_Discussion Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 66 Gallery: Food_Discussion	Ok sorry, I jumped off typing with the wrong impression then... I admit I'm a little on the defensive side because I'm tired of being lectured ad nauseum, being told that everyone needs lots of fibre to maintain a healthy GI tract, which was not what you were doing. And Crohnie I didn't mean to say every person with that kind of condition does best with zero fibre, just that many do. Obviously by your alias you'd have more info as you're living it, and I'm not.

07-13-2007, 03:03 PM	#21
Sueparl Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 193 Gallery: Sueparl	Thanks for the info, Food Discussion. Could you please post some links to the zero carb discussion boards? I'm very interested in reading more about it. Thanks!!! Sue

07-16-2007, 07:35 AM	#22
Food_Discussion Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 66 Gallery: Food_Discussion	i'd love to post a link but I'm not sure if it's allowed! Not trying to be stupid here, but I've already posted a link to an ebay seller without thinking and that was not allowed. Can I get in trouble for this? We can go to email if you want..

07-16-2007, 10:43 AM	#23
Sueparl Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 193 Gallery: Sueparl	I think it's allowed unless it's someone selling something in competition with Netrition ( which I use often and love!!!). But, no matter--feel free to use my email: Sueparl@aol.com. Thanks so much--I'm really looking forward to reading more about this! Sue Sueparl at aol (just in case we're not alllowed to post email addresses!!)