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Old 05-22-2006, 02:42 PM   #1411
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Hi Kimmer. I've been reading the thread and working up to getting in the correct mindset to do K/E, then move to Kimmers. I have a couple of questions -- (like who on here doesn't, right? )

#1 in regards to AS
In K/E, it says you can have have unlimited AS and in Kimmers it says 'the same as K/E - which I would assume would mean unlimited AS also. But I see often when reviewing peoples menus and they are using AS - -like say 5 packets of Equal in their coffee, you suggest cutting this back. So, are AS really unlimited, if not when does that come in to play I think I'm confused on that point.

Also - regarding the 'fueling the metabolism' way of thinking--
This morning again on TV I heard a fitness 'guru' talk about how you need to eat every 3 hours to fuel your metabolism and how it's like putting 'gas in the tanks' - although with K/E and Kimmers, you repeatedly say 'don't force food' --and 'how you only need to eat when you're hungry'. What are your thoughts on 'fueling your metabolism' vs 'being in ketosis' as a way of burning fat.

Thanks so much. I'm really looking forward to doing this and kickstarting my way back to goal.
I'm always crystal clear when I write so I don't see why you have a problem.

The AS are not a problem, even at 1 carb per packet. It's the cream or milk that goes with them into coffee that's a problem, particularly for a heavy drinker.

If people are using AS to make desserts, that's a whole different ballgame. Again, it's not the AS, it's the calories in the cream and cheese.

If I hear "fuel your metabolism" one more time I'm gonna smack somebody! Sheesh! Your body wakes up just fine. Actually as soon as you open your eyes your metabolism begins to change, your pulse raises. Your body is very clever about providing for itself. In the event of no food, it uses body fat. Yes, really! OK, now I'm just being a smart a$$ but weight loss isn't any more complicated than that.

I would say take a look around. Who is "fueling their metabolism" and losing more slowly and who is "eating only when hungry" and losing more quickly? Now how is that possible?

Or, better yet. Do an experiment with yourself for 7 solid days, each way. See what happens.
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Old 05-22-2006, 02:46 PM   #1412
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Hi,
Been doing some reading. Is Kimkins like Atkins about 15 years ago? (A light bulb goes on over my head!)AHA.

So just to clarify:

20g of carbs(no minusing of fibre, sugar alcohols, etc)
little or no cheese and dairy?

I think I'm good to go. Any final tips before I embark?
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Old 05-22-2006, 02:48 PM   #1413
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I am in an all out "get to 140" by July 1st journey and wondered if I can do that? I weigh 162 right now and would love to be around 140'ish by July 1st.

I have been pretty much stalled since November/December and decided 3 weeks ago that I was joining the gym to get the rest of this off. Of course I haven't lost any pounds or inchage since I started and I am trying to be patient.

Today I started reading through this thread from the beginning and punched some info into fitday and realized that I am probably up a bit in carbs and I need to lower my calories to start losing again. But now that I am exercising will I need more calories? Since I was stuck so long I am not really sure where to start. I would love to lose at the rate that the water fast allows but I am not sure that I can handle that so I decided that a good option for me would be kimmers (stillmans). If I do this can I lose those darned 22'ish pounds by July 1st? I am hoping that you can give me some hope - heck...at this point I would be happy to get below 150 lbs. Is the exercise going to stop me from losing inchage or pounds on Stillmans? I do love exercise and decided to add it not just for weight loss but also because it gives me energy, makes me feel good and its good for me. Will the exercise slow down my weightloss?

Please let me know what you think. I really value your opinion.

Thank you,

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Exercise is a wonderful idea! Have you checked the Exercise forum or checked into a challenge group?

Exercise won't slow you down so long as you don't eat to compensate for the calories you burned ... some people do that.

Do not
add calories.

Honestly, I don't think you're going to drop 22 lbs in 4 weeks because you're so close to goal.

Your best estimate would be do KE for 5 days (no cheats, no alcohol), begin adding salad bar type veggies and see how much you're losing by the end of week 2.

Edit: What was I thinking? It's 6 weeks and you've got a very good shot! Focus on good nutrition (veggies not desserts) and a Centrum type vitamin.
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Old 05-22-2006, 03:05 PM   #1414
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Hi,
Been doing some reading. Is Kimkins like Atkins about 15 years ago? (A light bulb goes on over my head!)AHA.

So just to clarify:

20g of carbs(no minusing of fibre, sugar alcohols, etc)
little or no cheese and dairy?

I think I'm good to go. Any final tips before I embark?
I always said Kimkins was like 1992 Atkins, but lowfat so I guess it's actually Stillman's with veggies, LOL!

The guidelines are in post #1 if you want to refresh.

My best tip is plan ahead. Plan your menus, shopping list and what you're going to do during your usual "snack" times like happy hour or work lunches.

Ripley, I had forgotten about the free radicals. Thanks for posting.
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For everything you never wanted to know about how the more daily calories=the more free radical production see the January 96 issue of Scientific American. Very scary science with 70 years of research to back it up.
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gosh where do i start, im so embarressed i blew my diet ina major way this weekend i really really screwed up on thursday morning i was down to 143 and i cheated thurs, fri, sat, and sun. this morning i get on the scale and i almost died 150!!! can it really be a true 7 lb gain. i dont know why i did it. i am sooo mad i hadn't cheated in months. well anyways kimmer i know its a long shot but do you think i might still be able to hit my 135 goal or atleast come really close? pls tell me what you think i would have to do to hit my goal. i cant believe it . im soooo disppointed.
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Old 05-22-2006, 03:18 PM   #1417
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For everything you never wanted to know about how the more daily calories=the more free radical production see the January 96 issue of Scientific American. Very scary science with 70 years of research to back it up.
Thanks. I don't subscribe, but I'll check it out online (or library). I think of free radicals every time I see char marks on a grilled steak.
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Old 05-22-2006, 03:36 PM   #1418
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gosh where do i start, im so embarressed i blew my diet ina major way this weekend i really really screwed up on thursday morning i was down to 143 and i cheated thurs, fri, sat, and sun. this morning i get on the scale and i almost died 150!!! can it really be a true 7 lb gain. i dont know why i did it. i am sooo mad i hadn't cheated in months. well anyways kimmer i know its a long shot but do you think i might still be able to hit my 135 goal or atleast come really close? pls tell me what you think i would have to do to hit my goal. i cant believe it . im soooo disppointed.
That's the ugly truth about cheats.

It's not 7 lbs of fat, but a good 4 lbs of water probably. Maybe what you're trying is too extreme? Too restricted? You're very close to goal and this is the time to add carbs and practice give-or-take so it will work for life.

Otherwise, back to KE for 4 days then Kimkins until you like what you see on the scale. I've forgotten when you wanted to hit 135 so I don't have a guess, but see what your body does after 2 weeks and you'll know.
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Old 05-22-2006, 03:37 PM   #1419
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Not trying to speak for Kimmer.
Having "grown up" in Ballet, I can tell you that what people call "starvation mode" is actually training the body to be more efficient with food. The longer your body goes being very capable of not wasting energy, the fewer free radicals you make and the more likely you are to be healthy."Fueling your metabloism" with low calories spead out over many feedings makes sense once you have trained the body to use low calories. The first step is getting the body to use it's stored energy, then you can start perfecting getting the intake of calories right.
Makes total sense!
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The really harsh part is that a calorie is a measurement of heat. The more food over a lifetime, the more heat inside the body and the more the tissue cooks. Not too unlike those "char marks" you mentioned. DNA is damaged by radiation, toxic chemicals and over cooking. This is why the closer a human being gets to "starvation mode", the healthier they are, provided they still have sources of essential nutrients, either from fat stores and vitamin suppliments or food choices.
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Old 05-22-2006, 03:44 PM   #1421
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The AS are not a problem, even at 1 carb per packet. It's the cream or milk that goes with them into coffee that's a problem, particularly for a heavy drinker.

Heavy drinker-- yep, that's me. I can see I'm going to need to curb that little habit -- I tried black coffee this am with JUST A.S. -- It's gonna take some getting used to, that's for sure!

Thanks!
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OK - KE it is. I'm not sure how many calories I was consuming before and I am wondering if you have any recomendation for a count? I normally manage my calories by only eating when I am hungry and do pretty well without counting although obviously something hasn't been right for the last 5 or 6 months. Should I manage by hunger or count calories?

I am excited to get started and will start tomorrow morning. Also, how much is too much of Heinz low carb catsup? Would 3 tbsp or less (3 carbs) a day be too much?

Thank you! I will let you know how I do!

Jody

By the way - I bought cube steak, ground turkey and chicken breast. Are those lean enough meats? Also, is it ok to use pam spray to grill them with on my G.Forman grill?
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Old 05-22-2006, 04:24 PM   #1423
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ditto that....just to make kimmer smile
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Old 05-22-2006, 04:44 PM   #1425
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ditto that....just to make kimmer smlie

i don't think she'll smlie or smile

i'm expecting something along the lines of...

sometimes she calls me "cutie" but other times she calls me "brat"...i have no idea why?

***goes to mirror to adjust halo***
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fuel your metabolism...hehehe....and just wonderin' who is gonna get smacked (as Jody goes to the fire and adds more fuel)
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and then kicks self in butt for antagonizing Kimmer....l
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I am down 17 lbs! I can't believe it.

I actually had done low carb/low cal/no sugar before actually starting K/E -so I did lose a bit before, but nothing like this.

I am feeling great, too.
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Old 05-22-2006, 05:15 PM   #1430
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I am down 17 lbs! I can't believe it.

I actually had done low carb/low cal/no sugar before actually starting K/E -so I did lose a bit before, but nothing like this.

I am feeling great, too.
awesome...great job!
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Old 05-22-2006, 05:49 PM   #1431
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Thank you!

Even though I know that most of us have pretty plain/boring diets, what does your typical menu look like?

I use tons (as much as I can, actually!)of garlic in all meats/fish and whatever spices look good at the time.

I love the diet rite zero stuff. Tasty!

Anyway, what do you do to your foods that make it taste good? I have noticed the more flavorful I can make my dishes, the more satisfied I feel.
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Old 05-22-2006, 08:00 PM   #1433
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OK, so who left the door open to let all these brats sneak in?

Amy
, I don't even think Tarn-X is gonna help that thing.

Mylastfatsummer, 17 pounds down? Now, did I tell you or did I tell you? Damn that dormant metabolism!

Jody, perfect meat choices! If those are measured, flat, 1 carb tablespoons then yes, 3 is OK. Pam is great for the grill. Honestly, I wouldn't worry about calories at all. If your carbs are low enough (catsup), your appetite wanes and calories are the last thing on your mind.
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Kimmer, you were right on about the whoosh after tummie rumbles! I woke up the next morning to 2lbs gone and this morning to another pound!
11lbs in less than 2 weeks and that was with a slip on Mother's Day.
I've eaten salad the last two days, but I think I may go back to KE this week just because I enjoy it and would love to see the scale drop even quicker!

Oh and you asked what I'm drinking... Diet Dr. Pepper, Diet 7-Up, Crystal Light Grape and Coffee!
This southern girl has completely broken her sweet tea habit!

Thanks again for everything! You really are helping me to change my life!

P.S. I wore a pair a pants today that I bought a year ago and was never able to button and now they are perfect!

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Hi Kimmer,
This thread is getting long, and I am confused...sorry if I am repeating.

I MUST lose 8-10 lb by next week. I have been on Atkins, South Beach, you name it...they all work but very, very slowly, despite everything. Would you suggest Kimkins or K/E for this week? I will have enough exercise and water but am just really confused about what to eat. Would this be a good menu for K/E?
B: 3 HB eggs
L: 1 turkey burger
D: 1 turkey burger or 1 chicken breast (I love turkey burgers).

I think this would be around 800 calories (just eyeballing it). I need to lose 100 lb still but seriously need a kickstart. I appreciate your help so much!
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I am down 17 lbs! I can't believe it.

I actually had done low carb/low cal/no sugar before actually starting K/E -so I did lose a bit before, but nothing like this.

I am feeling great, too.

Great Job mylast!!!....17 lbs since May 17th???????
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