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Old 05-06-2006, 03:26 PM   #661
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thanks for the reply toomuch... i dont plan on going overboard but i thought if im having a weak moment at night it would be a good option once or twice a week.
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Old 05-06-2006, 03:35 PM   #662
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I just want to be clear on the Kimmer experiment cause I was confused a few days ago. I want to do this right and will be starting tomorrow for a 5 day experiment.

Am I suppose to eat ONLY LEAN meat. And thats it. Nothing else?? Just lean meat and acceptable drinks? And no weighing the meat. Just eat until I'm full.

Please let me know.
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Old 05-06-2006, 04:18 PM   #663
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I just want to be clear on the Kimmer experiment cause I was confused a few days ago. I want to do this right and will be starting tomorrow for a 5 day experiment.

Am I suppose to eat ONLY LEAN meat. And thats it. Nothing else?? Just lean meat and acceptable drinks? And no weighing the meat. Just eat until I'm full.

Please let me know.

Hi, Kimmer emailed me that she's not able to log in at the moment (technical difficulties)...so since you're starting tomorrow, I wanted to let you know that...

yes, you are understanding the Kimmer Experiment correctly, pretty much lean meats only and the acceptable drinks...the only other "ok" thing during the experiment time are eggs. Eat all the eggs & LEAN meat you want the first couple of days to satisfy hunger, don't worry about the protein calories too much, then ketosis will kick in and you will naturally want to eat less...when that happens...calories will then automatically be lowered. And Kimmer advises that you only need to eat when hungry. Also, be sure to use minimal fats (just a little butter to cook in, etc.)...this helps cut calories as well.
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Hi, Kimmer emailed me that she's not able to log in at the moment (technical difficulties)...so since you're starting tomorrow, I wanted to let you know that...

yes, you are understanding the Kimmer Experiment correctly, pretty much lean meats only and the acceptable drinks...the only other "ok" thing during the experiment time are eggs. Eat all the eggs & LEAN meat you want the first couple of days to satisfy hunger, don't worry about the protein calories too much, then ketosis will kick in and you will naturally want to eat less...when that happens...calories will then automatically be lowered. And Kimmer advises that you only need to eat when hungry. Also, be sure to use minimal fats (just a little butter to cook in, etc.)...this helps cut calories as well.
But NO added fat on the Kimmer Experiment. A bit of fat on Kimkins.
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Kimmer, sorry you're having problems logging on! When you are able to check in I wanted to ask you a question about the Kimmer Experiment.

According to fitday each large egg is 5 grams of fat. Should we watch how many eggs we consume in these 3-5 days or does it not matter during the experiment? 4 eggs per day would already account for 20 grams of fat. And some people eat more.

Just wondering your thoughts on this since the point of the experiment is lowfat and real ketosis.
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Help on garlic?

ANy help would be wonderful. I used garlic today to prepare my chicken. It made it taste so wonderful. I took a dollp of chopped garlic from the jar, threw it in the non stick pan with a titch of water, let it cook for a couple of minutes then threw in my chicken. It was fantastic.

But then I checked fitday on it and was appalled to see how many carbs it has. I was planning on having more chicken soon, with the garlic, and was going to add more garlic. I am rethinking this.

Do any of you use garlic while doing Kimmers Experiment?

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Kimmer, thank you for your responses and help!

You mentioned a couple of pages back that if you have a 40 carb cheat while on kimkins (or kimmer experiment) it will set you back 7 days. Does it really take that long on a such a small amount of carbs? What if you "work it off" that day? I am confused on why/how that happens. Could be a more of a problem for me than I realized?? I don't do it often but if I sneak some grapes (40 carbs worth), I just work out extra long that day. Can you explain? Thanks!!
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thats 4.2 in 2 days
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Thank you all for the clarification on the Kimmer experiement. Day is day 1 and my menu is as follows:

B-1 4oz steak w/ fat cut off, 1 scrambled egg in tiny bit of butter
L-1 leg/thigh quarter
D-2 filet mignon w/ 1 scrambled egg in tiny bit of butter
S-5-6 shrimp w/ obay seasoning
Drinks: Water, Green Tea, Berries & Cream Diet Doctor Pepper

How does my menu look? Does anyone have any suggestions for good marinades?

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By the way, I am cutting all visible fat on the meat and taking skin off the chicken.
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Hi, Kimmer emailed me that she's not able to log in at the moment (technical difficulties)...so since you're starting tomorrow, I wanted to let you know that...

yes, you are understanding the Kimmer Experiment correctly, pretty much lean meats only and the acceptable drinks...the only other "ok" thing during the experiment time are eggs. Eat all the eggs & LEAN meat you want the first couple of days to satisfy hunger, don't worry about the protein calories too much, then ketosis will kick in and you will naturally want to eat less...when that happens...calories will then automatically be lowered. And Kimmer advises that you only need to eat when hungry. Also, be sure to use minimal fats (just a little butter to cook in, etc.)...this helps cut calories as well.
Well hello everybody!

I'm telling you, I've got to save my dimes and buy a better computer, LOL! This one does its best, but the abuse we bestow upon it is too much to endure!

How weird it is not to be able to get here! What's worse, is I could read the site, but not post ... torture for me, the obessive-compulsive!

I'm going to comment on the earlier questions first. I haven't read everything so if others did answers, THANK YOU! If I miss anything, please let me know. I don't want to upset the PC genie with too much work, LOL!
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Hello Everyone. I have a question. I was talking to my friend today and mention that I was going to try the Kimmer Experiment for 5 days to jumpstart weightloss then switchover to Kimkins. I explained to her what it entaled and she wants to do it too as she has been doing weight watchers for the past few months and is not getting the results she expected.

The thing is that she is talking about taking appetite suppressants (diet pills) so she's not hungry. I told her I dont think thats such a good idea. I informed her that she can eat as much lean protein as needed to not feel hungry and that the people I have talked to that have done this experiment correctly stated that they lost their appetite around Day 3. She still insists on taking the pills. I'm concerned cause I dont know if this will help or hurt her.

What are your thoughts?
If she's got it in her head to try them, she's going to. Human nature. I think the best think is for you to be a good friend, talk about what non-med things you're doing, talk about the good results you're seeing from other on LCF ... catch her when she falls.

I posted on another thread about diet pills and why I don't think they're a good idea. Will you lose your appetite? Yes. And then what? What about when you're a size 6? You can't take pills the rest of your life and we do want to live longer lives, right?

I'm not above a quick fix and I'm not talking just low-carb. Hopefully your friend will weigh the negatives ... or make it a short experiment.

You're a good friend. Be there for her.
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Beautiful day here in Boston. Took a TWO HOUR fast paced walk w/ DD in carriage. We walked to Double D's, got her a bagel and me some Iced coffee (a tiny bit of cream and 3 splendas). No sense in overdoing what I once would have overdone then complained about it (thanks Kimmer!! ). Felt great doing it and I know a certain someone (who shall remain nameless) saw me and probably thought "8itch." Side note: HATE certain person in neighborhood (queen snob, who named her keeper of the neighborhood momS!). Sorry, rant over. During walk - thought about committing to really eating the way I need to and exercising in order to loose the last 15. It can be done - I just need to commit. "Can you commit"? YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!!

Kimmer - would you mind looking over my recent blood work results?
My Dr. said all is ok, just wondering what you make of the #'s. Thanks!

Glucose 91
BUN 22
Creatinine .7
Sodium 135
Potassium 3.4
Chloride 100
CO2 26.6
Calcium 9
T3 Total 86
Free T4 1.06
TSH 1
Hemoglobin Alc 5.2
Est Avg Glucose 96
Testosterone 19
DHEA 297

As always thanks in advance - love ya!!!
Going to the doctor? What a good girl! So few people actually do check in with their MDs and it's important to know where we're at health-wise from time to time.

I'm not a doctor and I don't want to comment on actual blood work. I'm not qualified. Usually it's not even a specific result being 'off' that's important, but a related test in conjuction. And, every lab has their own "normal ranges". Too much responsibility for me!

If your doctor is happy (and he did go to medical school, LOL), that's the important thing.

Here's a link to one site so you can check against their values, but remember every lab is calibrated differently.

Your doc says everything's fine, let's celebrate! (With some lean protein of course! Wow, what a party, LOL!)

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Ok I have read all the way to page 18 and have a few questions. Which I sure you could answer in your sleep!!

The Kimmer Experiment is lean meat only and eggs? Right? Nothing else? Is there lean pork?

I am confusing myself on your opinion on diet drinks. Don't worry about them just drink up? I usually have 6 or 7 a day. 12 oz. cans.

What about sweetners? I use Sweet & Low or Splenda in tea. Is that ok?

What do you consider salad veggies?

Is too much protein bad?

A good low cal Italian salad dressing?
Kimmer Experiment - Lean beef, chicken, lamb, seafood and pork (the lean cuts, not spare ribs ... for now). And eggs which aren't low fat but low calorie and delicious!

Diet Drinks - Drink up. My point with them is that many think they are carb free and they aren't ... if you drink enough in a day (me). Who cares, they're extremely low calorie carbs and not a problem.

When someone 'stalls' on diet soda I'm suspicious. Hmmm, couldn't be that 500 calorie salad w/ dressing or the 600 calorie buffalo wings, right? Has to be the 2 calorie Diet Coke?

Artificial Sweeteners - Use them. Tea is a wonderful drink and very, very good for you. Brew it up, use your sweetener, enjoy!

Too Much Protein - I thnk if someone over does it for long periods then that's asking a lot of their kidneys. Does it "cause" kidney problems? Doctors say no and who am I to say different? But, unless a person has had their BUN and creatinine checked recently, how do they know what shape their kidneys are in? Especially if they experimented with alcohol & recreational drugs when they were younger (or now)?

In the Kimmer Experiment and Kimkins you lose your appetite to a great degree and overeating protein is unlikely. If anyone is using a formula for protein, it should be based on lean muscle mass ... not including body fat, body fluids or blood volume.

Some "formulas" are 1 gm protein for every pound of lean body mass (normal weight person), or .5 gm per lb of lean muscle mass (minus skeleton/fluids).

If we look at the RDA for protein which is only 60 gm, that's based on a "typical" person (the government often uses a 120 lbs woman) and, we'll find 60 gm is .5 * 120.

Salad Veggies - Read up a few posts, we made a list.

Low Cal Dressing - I prefer any of the Italian, Caesar or Parmesan types. My go-to dressing is Kraft's "Light Done Right" series, especially Zesty Italian.
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Diet soda

Just wanted to chime in on the diet soda. Because of Kimmer's Experiment I have given up cream in my coffee. It was suicidal but yes I did give it up. And at this point my coffee is extremely unexciting and I am drinking less and less.

I've been drinking lots of water. And finally, I walked down to the corner store with my kiddies and bought my first diet soda in years. I bought a vanilla cherry diet dr pepper. Oh my god!!!!!!! Heaven. Complete heaven. I bought another yesterday. And then another in the evening. I can practically chug it.

Here's the thing - I am really 'moving' if you know what I mean. Cleaning out, very good bathroom visits - ok? Gosh. I think it's from Cinco de Mayo day. But I'm cleaner than a whistle and I kind of think it might be the dr pepper.

So I'm doing it. I'm drinking it. I've never, ever been a pop drinker. And I have a 14 year old addicted to pepsi. He's thinner than a rail and like his father, he will never be heavy. But my 11 year old is chubby like my side of the family. Because of my kids, I never stuck a pop in my hands - just didn't want to give them the picture. So my 11 year old is a water drinker. But all of a sudden the last week or so he has began to ask for the pop. And all sugary stuff. So I bought the diet pop, he had some. He likes it too. I'm going to try to keep him on the diet stuff if he continues. He watches my every move. He's very conscious about his weight - kids call him fatty all the time. Lately he's growing out of it a bit, height is catching up with his weight, very slowly.

I'm trying to get him on board with me. He's fairly aware of the discipline. It's a slow, progress though. But I think he's getting it.

Anyway, I vote for diet Dr. Pepper.

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Going to the doctor? What a good girl! So few people actually do check in with their MDs and it's important to know where we're at health-wise from time to time.

I'm not a doctor and I don't want to comment on actual blood work. I'm not qualified. Usually it's not even a specific result being 'off' that's important, but a related test in conjuction. And, every lab has their own "normal ranges". Too much responsibility for me!

If your doctor is happy (and he did go to medical school, LOL), that's the important thing.

Here's a link to one site so you can check against their values, but remember every lab is calibrated differently.

Your doc says everything's fine, let's celebrate! (With some lean protein of course! Wow, what a party, LOL!)

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Yeah, he did. Harvard I think. He is a very good DR. that I know of. His practice is actually closed. I only got "in" b/c my MIL works as a secretary in the medical community and she knew someone, who knew his office manager, who talked to the receptionist . . . .

This is the ONLY time in my adult life besides be pregnant that I had the guts to get the blood work done. I bet last fall when I was 157 (or maybe higher?), the results would have been quite different. No sense dwelling on the past, right?
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YAAAAHHHH!! Went to the dr yesterday & have lost a total of 20.5 lbs since starting at the end of March. Only 30 lbs left til goal!! Thanks, Kimmer!! I was having a slow start at first then realized how over I was on fat & veggies. I started the Kimmer experiment this Monday & lost 6 lbs in 3 days!! I started the Kimkins plan yesterday & lost another lb. today. Whooo Whoooo!!! The domino effect has begun. Kimmer, how many lbs. should I lexpect to lose per week since switching to Kimkins?? My calories are VERY low.

Thanks again!!
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How much can you lose? What are your stats? I've got 'signatures' turned off so if they're there, I can't see 'em!
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Wow! That's dedication!
Dry tuna? Blech! You guys are dedicated, LOL!

The Kimmer Experiment is only 3-5 days so how about picking a less "difficult" protein, LOL? On Kimkins, use mayo but please, please watch how much. In a typical small can of tuna (can food sized can) I need 3-4 flat measured tablespoons ... don't want it if it's not wet.

What about the calories? Exactly, which is why it's more like a once a week thing and I also add finely diced celery, hamburger dill pickle chips and shredded lettuce. Makes a giant bowl!!!

Yes, use Splenda if you prefer 'sweet' tuna salad. I think some people have made fake 'sweet' relish with drained dill relish (rinse) and Splenda. Not sure, but maybe in the Recipe Room? Or check with LindaSue, if anybody's figured out a sweet relish, it will be her!
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Kimmer, I want to say, thank you, thank you, thank you. This thread has given me the strength to refocus.

On Sept 30, before this thread started, I started the Kimmer 3 day experiment and moved to Kimkins. In 4 months I lost over 40 pounds. But, since January, I have been bouncing back and forth the same 3-4 pounds.

I have read every word of this thread twice. I try to look at it every day. I love your common sense advice. You are such a wonderful person for sharing your thoughts and sage advice with us. I’ve lurked here for several years and you have always been an inspiration to me. I love having all of your advice in one thread.

I did refocus this week. I’ve been doing your 3 day experiment and will slowly add salads back, maybe in another week or so. Well, in the last week I’ve lost 9 lbs! My appetite is gone! I love this feeling! I am only eating to give my body a bit of protein.

I am so close to onederland! I can’t remember the last time I was there! It has been over 10 years at least! And, I finally, once again, weigh less than my husband! Yippee!

Thank you, thank you, thank you. You are truly a wonderful woman.

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i didnt think i could cut my fats and calories without suffering but i did and im soooo excited now that i plan on keeping kimkins as my 'plan'.

ive read the first 20 pages of the post and couldnt find an answer to my one question...

is JELLO okay in small quantities (the 4oz prepackaged stuff thats sf) ?
its only 5 calories and i dont see that it would be much different than crystal lite...whatcha think of this???

thanks for all the good info....
If it's the actual 5 calorie (1.25 carbs per serving) stuff and not the sugar alcohol variety, then yes!

If anyone is interested in making their own SF jello, buy gelatin (Knox), add 25% of the fluid (use Crystal Light or flat diet soda instead of water), let sit for 5 minutes to soften and then heat in the microwave for 90 seconds, stirring every 30 seconds. Let cook for 5 minutes THEN add the balance of liquid and put in the fridge. It will gel like Jello but without the 'off' taste from adding boiling water directly to the jello mix.
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I did refocus this week. I’ve been doing your 3 day experiment and will slowly add salads back, maybe in another week or so. Well, in the last week I’ve lost 9 lbs! My appetite is gone! I love this feeling! I am only eating to give my body a bit of protein.
Wow, 9 lbs in one week?!?!?! You'll make it to Onederland this time, promise! Awesome job!!!
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Kimmer, sorry you're having problems logging on! When you are able to check in I wanted to ask you a question about the Kimmer Experiment.

According to fitday each large egg is 5 grams of fat. Should we watch how many eggs we consume in these 3-5 days or does it not matter during the experiment? 4 eggs per day would already account for 20 grams of fat. And some people eat more.

Just wondering your thoughts on this since the point of the experiment is lowfat and real ketosis.
It doesn't matter about eggs at any point, so eat up!

Eggs tend to be pretty self-limited after the first few days. I consider them an almost perfect food (if they can get some spinach in there, it would be perfect, LOL).

Eggs have a wide variety of nutrients (especially the yolk), including lecithin. Who knew? If you can afford them, Eggland's Best manages to get Omega-3 inside their eggs! I think they're also free range hens, but not positive.

I'm sure none of us watch the Food Network , but Tyler Florence said when he auditioned as a chef for a fancy hotel he had to pick one dish to prepare and wow the Executive Chef. He picked a plain omelette and got the job. A perfectly tender omelette is an art form, nothing is more elegant and nothing says "I can cook" better.
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Eggs tend to be pretty self-limited after the first few days. I consider them an almost perfect food (if they can get some spinach in there, it would be perfect, LOL).

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Kimmer I am afraid I perhaps lost a few too many pounds after going to Jamaica for a mission trip...what are your suggestions to gaining a few of the pounds b