Ode to Kimmer!

[cherbear1]

I'm sure you get these types of messages everyday, but I felt lead to express my personal appreciation of the hours you give to unknown others. I am grateful for your participation on this board and think about your advice nearly every day.

You have made a huge positive impact on my rocky (but becoming smoother) seven year LC journey! You were the first to make me aware of the carb/calorie connection - which kicked me in the pants to stop eating LC bars/really analyze LC foods. Your Kimkins Basics (which is taped to my computer) outlined the fast which has halted the snacking monster in its tracks. For so long I kept snacking on nuts, cheese, pork rinds. I was "in ketosis" from the color of the strips, but I wasn't losing (or at a snail's pace). Snacking on healthy things is also addictive and your ME fast broke that addicting pattern. I am really hopeful that I can lose these last 15 pounds and keep them off - in large part because of your exposing the traps of the current DANDR book.

Thanks again from a grateful lurker!

Cheri

[mily]

Kudos to Kimmers.

[jerzygurl]

Gooooo Kimmer!

[chrissygal]

Amen and agreed. Kimmer you can't begin to know how reading your past posts motivated me to start this program again. Thanks so much.

Chrissy

[becksterinindy]

I would NEVER miss an opportunity to sing Kimmer's praises

[RobinB]

Thanks Kimmer

[Kimmer]

Well, now that I'm just about to die from embarrassment ... Thank you.

I wish I could make your post a "stickie" on this BB. It would save so many, many newbies the shock of "following" Atkins only to be disappointed! Or worse, saying that Atkins doesn't work.

People do ask me why I still post on this BB after reaching goal. And my answer is, "Because there's still questions. Still confusion (especially with the never-ending Atkins books). I've been there. I have done that." Timing is a funny thing ... just when I'm kinda sorta thinking I should say "adios", I get a PM similar to your message. And I start renewed!

Taped to your computer ... geez Louise, I'm seriously thinking about celebrating with champagne! I'm just too flattered. Honestly.

[Zabby27]

Kimmer... I hear so so much about you!!! where can I find your rules of thumb and the famous kimkins guidelines??

[cherbear1]

700 to 1100 calories/day (averaging 800 cal/day)
50% fat (which is 38 to 61g/day...you will find this is a strict amount so fats much be kept sparse, but have enough for flavor so you don't give up)
20g/day Total carbs (no subtractions of anything) which is less than 10% carbs
40% protein (which is about 70 to 110 g/day)


Since this info is taped to my computer, I could easily pass of the info! FYI - in the beginning, I needed to use Fitday to get a better idea of how many carbs/calories/percentages of eggs/meat/fats I was eating.

[funkycamper]

Originally Posted by cherbear1

700 to 1100 calories/day (averaging 800 cal/day)
50% fat (which is 38 to 61g/day...you will find this is a strict amount so fats much be kept sparse, but have enough for flavor so you don't give up)
20g/day Total carbs (no subtractions of anything) which is less than 10% carbs
40% protein (which is about 70 to 110 g/day)


Since this info is taped to my computer, I could easily pass of the info! FYI - in the beginning, I needed to use Fitday to get a better idea of how many carbs/calories/percentages of eggs/meat/fats I was eating.

Could someone give an idea of what a daily menu would look like eating this way?

[Zabby27]

I'm with FunkyCamper on that one!!! I ready Kimmmer's fitday and she has alot of veggies in her diet... I'm wondering about portions...

[Marian]

Agree with the above requests. Could you please post a typical menu of the Kimmer Meat and Egg fast. How many days of this does one stay on it three or four? Pardon my ignorance but I am new to the board, and it would really be helpful if you would post it again. Thanking you in advance for your time and consdieration.

[Kimmer]

Originally Posted by Zabby27

Kimmer... I hear so so much about you!!! where can I find your rules of thumb and the famous kimkins guidelines??

Thank you! My "Kimkins" is actually a version of 1992 Atkins Induction:

Carbs = < 20 gm total (no subtracting, no "net" anything)
Protein = 70-90 gm
Fat = Just enough fat (dressing, butter) to make it work
Veggies = up to 3 cups "salad type" or 2 cups "salad" & .5 cup "cooked"
No "fat" desserts (cream cheese, whipped cream)
No LC foods, treats, bars, candy, etc.
Take a Centrum type vitamin each day

There is no calorie restriction, but after a few days of your carbs being very low, you'll enter 'real' ketosis and lose your appetite pretty much.

Any cheating will defeat the program (Dr. Atkins said "cheating is the kiss of death on this diet.")

As your appetite disappears, your calories naturally drop!

Here's a link to my Fitday for 3-4 months during my weight loss phase. Remember, I counted TOTAL carbs.

Kimmer's Fitday Journal

[carob]

The absolute rule is carbs are sugar. Good carbs or bad, they are all sugar. Your body will use the following in this exact order:
alcohol, then
carbs, then
protein, then
dietary fat, then finally
stored body fat
This is physiology and cannot be disputed. If you overeat alcohol, carbs, protein and dietary fat, then you won't lose body fat ... why would you?

This simple explanation helped me to understand why I lost so well the first time around. If it wasn't for Kimmer, I may have never put two and two together. Thanks Kimmer!

[Kimmer]

Originally Posted by Marian

Agree with the above requests. Could you please post a typical menu of the Kimmer Meat and Egg fast. How many days of this does one stay on it three or four?

My "protein" fast is what I call the "3 Day Experiment". It's purpose is to let people experience what 'real' ketosis feels like ... appetite suppression, fast weight loss.

Just as Kimkins is Atkins Induction, my 3 Day Experiment is Stillman's.

The rules are for 3 days you eat lean chicken, fish, (beef must be lean, not hamburger), eggs any style w/o fat. Eat as much as you care to. Appetite suppression kicks in around Day 3 (unless you carbed up before hand thinking you'd never see carbs again ) then it doesn't occur until Day 5.

According to Dr. Stillman, a medical doctor, you can safely stay on protein only until you're close to goal. He did not advise eating more if you exercise.

If you're ready to move on after Day 3, then add 2 handfuls of salad veggies and you're doing Kimkins (aka Atkins Induction 1992).

[Badger]

Kimmer I've got a question- you mentioned above 'beef must be lean - not hamburger'. I've got 93/7 hamburger which is like (I've thrown away the packaging but as I recall) 93% lean and 7% fat. Is that technically OK to use?

I'm on Atkins but your meat/egg fast has me interested.

Oh and are things like mustard 'allowed'?

[Cats82]

Originally Posted by cherbear1

700 to 1100 calories/day (averaging 800 cal/day)
50% fat ...

I did not know about the Kimkins Basics. Thank you for posting it. I'm glad to have it. I think.

Since I found Fitday last month, I've cut back on my calories and especially my protein, thought I was doing good at 1250 calories and 100 or less protein. Carbs 20-25, occasionally 30. I've been stalled for weeks and been very bummed about it, so it looks like I'm still eating too much.

Oh, well, what's a little hunger?


Cats

[Kimmer]

Originally Posted by Cats82

I did not know about the Kimkins Basics. Thank you for posting it. I'm glad to have it. I think.

Since I found Fitday last month, I've cut back on my calories and especially my protein, thought I was doing good at 1250 calories and 100 or less protein. Carbs 20-25, occasionally 30. I've been stalled for weeks and been very bummed about it, so it looks like I'm still eating too much.

The problem with upping carbs is what people choose to eat to do it. I'm guessing on your 30 carb days that's not from gobs of veggies? Other carb choices tend to be high in calories (LC bars, cream cheese desserts, tortillas, etc.) If you can flip the carbs down, your loss will flip up!

[Kimmer]

Originally Posted by Badger

Kimmer I've got a question- you mentioned above 'beef must be lean - not hamburger'. I've got 93/7 hamburger which is like (I've thrown away the packaging but as I recall) 93% lean and 7% fat. Is that technically OK to use?

I'm on Atkins but your meat/egg fast has me interested.

Oh and are things like mustard 'allowed'?

Yes, 7% fat would be very lean! Yes, mustard and other low carb low calorie condiments are OK. Enjoy!

[Kimmer]

Originally Posted by boss lady

Kimmer, I have a question. Where did you find that rule about how carbs are used? Is it in one of Dr. A's books? I'd really like to read more about that. I just re-read Dr. A's DANDR and he says ketosis is the result of burning "stored" body fat. It gets confusing. Thanks!

That carbs are burned first is pure physiology, although if you read Dr. Atkins book he mentions in the first pages that the body uses carbs first which is the premise of his program (and other similiar programs).

Ketosis is the result of burning stored body fat! As you "severely restrict" your carbs, your body processes the protein & fat you're eating for energy ... assuming it's less than your body needs to run, it taps into stored body fat. If someone is eating enough protein/fat, they won't lose weight. Their body has no need for extra calories (body fat).

In 'real' ketosis you'll notice your body getting "jiggly" (for me, especially in the hips and thighs), and, if your carbs are very, very low you'll enter 'deep' ketosis and get the energy boost and mild insominia.

[Badger]

Michelle I *think* (from what I've read of Kimmer) that she's counting ALL the carbs not just the net carbs.

I'm assuming (correct me if I'm wrong) that your LC Tortillas are 3 NET carbs. If they're 3 carbs total PLEASE tell me what kind they are and where you got them!!

[MichelleM]

OK .......YER Right Badger. Its NET carbs....... BUT the calorie count is only 80 which I dont consider high calorie.

[Kimmer]

Originally Posted by MichelleM

Kimmer. My LC Tortillas are 3 carbs- 80 calories.

I dont consider that high in carbs OR calories. The fiber I get from them is worth it for me.

I'm not sure what you what to argue about?

1) I don't subtract fiber.
2) I'm not asking you to eat according to my guidelines.
3) You're at goal, you can afford to eat tortillas!

I wouldn't be willing to spend 10% of my calories on a tortilla, but that doesn't mean you can't.

My suggestions on this BB are for people who are 'stalled' and can't figure out why, or for those who want to/need to lose quickly.

If you're not in those categories, there's no need for you to read (or respond to) my posts. If my posts upset you, there's a handy "ignore" button you can use.

[Kimmer]

Originally Posted by MichelleM

OK .......YER Right Badger. Its NET carbs....... BUT the calorie count is only 80 which I dont consider high calorie.

I don't want to upset you any further, Michelle, but keep in mind that the calorie count is based on total carbs, including fiber.

[Kimmer]

Originally Posted by mollycd

"And, when you follow the Atkins program as Dr. Atkins wrote it (not his staff), you enter ketosis and can barely eat a thing"

I have to interject... Not everyone experiences such drastic appetite suppression from ketosis. I can eat zero carbs for 3 days, have very strong ketosis symptoms and readings, and still have only very mild appetite suppression. And I've been at this for years.

Maybe not everyone, but certainly enough from posts on this BB over the past 5 years to suggest it happens for the majority. For those 'carbed up' it can take 4-7 days, 3 days isn't enough if you've been overeating carbs. If you're interested in the experiences of others, do a search for "can't eat", "feel nauseous", "don't want to eat", "why am I not hungry", etc.

Or check the very low carb Challenge threads, especially the 3 Day Experiment. If you're interested in finding out what it feels like, try protein only for a week. Eat as much as you like, protein only, no cheating. 'Real' ketosis is an odd feeling for a newbie!

[Badger]

Kimmer for the 3 day experiment (which I'm probably going to do on Tuesday - got to grocery shop / preplan a bit).

It's just lean meats and eggs.

Am I right when I assume that spices and really low carb sauces etc like mustard are OK?

I'm assuming no mayo is that right?

And I seem to remember reading on one thread that diet sodas are OK - is that correct or not part of the 3 day experiment?

Thanks

[Kimmer]

Originally Posted by Badger

1) It's just lean meats and eggs.

2) Am I right when I assume that spices and really low carb sauces etc like mustard are OK?

3) I'm assuming no mayo is that right?

4) And I seem to remember reading on one thread that diet sodas are OK - is that correct or not part of the 3 day experiment?

1) Yep!
2) Yep! Spice blends like Montreal Steak can really add a lot of interest, ditto on A-1 sauce and mustard (just don't go nutso).
3) It's better if you don't, but if you're gonna die without it, use as little as possible
4) Yep! Drink as much as you care to ... diet soda, Crystal Light, flavored water

Keep in mind if you lose more than 2 pounds in 4 days, you were over on carbs beforehand ... something to keep in mind when you transition to an eating plan.

Good luck!