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Old 04-30-2014, 11:20 AM   #1
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Combining LC and JUDDD

Hi All,
My scale has not moved in way too long and I am the type of person who needs to see results or I'll give in to temptation (which I have done).

I am wondering if combining Ketososis and SIRT 1 is possible and how best to do it?

I have also had some issues perhaps someone could help with. My energy only comes at night when the household is winding down..so I can't make use of it. I have had LBMs since starting, not plesant. I am also cold most of the day when I have finished my coffee

Usual daily menu:
Coffee with stevia and half and half
salad with chicken or beef
eggs 2
maybe a burger if I need more on a given day

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I try to stay mainly lc no matter what my "diet plan of the week" is. There's lots of others eating lc while doing JUDDD, too. I have no input for the energy thing, don't know what a LBM is (or it escapes me at the moment), and I do know some get cold once the SIRT gene kicks in.

I have mainly fats on a Down Day. A bit tougher with only 500 calories, but doable. I don't eat until later in the day, which helps. I don't do well nibbling throughout the day. Here's what I have on a DD:

B: Mini Bullet Proof Coffee
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S: YoCheese Sherbet (my own concoction - strained full fat yogurt, lemonade Crystal Light, bit of whipped cream)
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Hope someone else can answer your other questions. JUDDD can work with pretty much any plan.
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I was just wondering the same thing. I love how ketosis makes me feel and I was wondering if it is doable on the JUDDD plan. Eating 500 calories is easy, but trying to do 2000 calories while doing LCHF seems like it would be daunting and I was wondering if anyone was doing that.
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I was just wondering the same thing. I love how ketosis makes me feel and I was wondering if it is doable on the JUDDD plan. Eating 500 calories is easy, but trying to do 2000 calories while doing LCHF seems like it would be daunting and I was wondering if anyone was doing that.
Try 5oz of avocado 227 with 2T of Ranch Dressing 230= 447
Nuts and nut butters pack a huge calorie punch.
So does HWC, butter and one of my favorites is veggies in sesame oil.
Salami with a variety of cheese (It's DD here and I'm making myself hungry).

Low carb does not equal low calorie.
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I was just looking up the macros I would need, and a DD day would be 25 grams of carb, 60 grams protein, and 18 grams of fat. A up day would be the same protein and carbs but 162 grams of fat!!!! That's crazy! Of course I am talking a high fat, moderate protein, low carb way of eAting with those numbers. I don't think I am ready for that just yet. Has anyone done those kind of macros on Juddd ?
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So... if I've been Atkins for months would I do a JUDDD induction ? And do LC high calorie one day LC low calorie the next?

Not sure how to up calories with not much appetite for fat aside from what I intake now.
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So... if I've been Atkins for months would I do a JUDDD induction ? And do LC high calorie one day LC low calorie the next?

Not sure how to up calories with not much appetite for fat aside from what I intake now.
You would do induction for 2 weeks if you wish- you get 500 for DD that way. Then most of us went to the 20% WLM calculation, which for most of us, is less than 500.

I just started with 380 which was my 20% DD number at my start weight.
If you follow Atkins, Primal, Vegan, etc, eat whatever foods you wish and follow JUDDD calories.

JUDDD is a calorie cycling plan, you compose your calories out of any foods you choose! You could eat 500 calories worth of M&Ms if you wanted to. JUDDD doesn't care... Your body might however.
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Carly....have you noticed better JUDDD results with LC or same with LC or HC? Just curious
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I don't low carb. I was only low carb my first month of JUDDD, but I lost on average 8 pounds per month (11.5 to 4) best to worst month.
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To keep my body shaken up, I sometimes did a month of LC while losing. It did not speed up my steady 2 pounds/week. But the change felt good.

Some DDs I did a 500 calorie fat fast. Some DDs I went zero added carbs and low protein. Some DDs I just a whole lot less of every food group.

But, listen, if you were losing weight and that has stalled, are you measuring? Sometimes the body seems to need time to catch it's breath and adjust. I only considered myself in a stall if weight did not drop and inches did not reduce. And that worked very well for me. (Twice I stalled because I was not eating enough on UDs. But I also had a six week period where weight did not change but I lost 11 inches and had to buy new clothes.)
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I don't think I am ready for that just yet. Has anyone done those kind of macros on Juddd ?
Me, for migraine control, except I allow myself more protein (I have low muscle mass and I aim for 85-100g protein a day).

I don't have a 2000kcal UD allowance but I'm determinedly working towards it.

ETA: As per Nancy's signature: "JUDDD cares about calories. JUDDD does not care what you eat. Your body probably does.". JUDDD is just a schedule, what you eat is a different matter.

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I have never paid attention to 'macros.'

I always eat very low carb because I'm extremely carb sensitive, and I focus on getting sufficient protein to avoid muscle loss.

In doing JUDDD, I had no problems at all with eating low carb. In fact, I doubt that I could have managed my 370 cal DDs without the appetite suppression of low-carb eating.

JUDDD can be done with any plan.
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Thanks Everyone,
I did look up my keto macros: 25g. carbs
67g.protein
30g. fat
1417 kcal base metobolic rate
647 kcal target cal

Judd recommends less than 500 calories for DD.

I am not sure what I should do, the ****** tracker is very difficult for me to use since I am on a horrible dial up connection. When I have taken the hours to input my data my calories were lesss than 1000 so I think that I should be losing.

Perhaps someone could recommend a book title that would allow me to do the tracking manually.

thoughts anyone?? and thanks for your help
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Hi! I'm new, but figured I would share some enthusiasm.
I eat low carb 95% of the time.

No sugar/flour and as for starch - on a fun 'Up Day' (such as tonight I've planned) I'll enjoy my french fries. However I have found radishes and zuccinni kill the craving for fried potatoes, and that I like the way cauliflower mash comes out so much that I don't miss the mashed potatoes. Cauli rice is delicious also!



I like JUDDD because I have some freedom for fruit in my diet, which makes me very happy.
I don't eat it every day, but a few times a week and I love it.
JUDDD is great because you can do ANYTHING for one day. And if you screw up? Well there is always the next meal to miss on your DD, or 'tomorrow' if you are on an UD. Constant gratification and victories.
I have no idea about macros.

My diet - for the first time in my life - feels sensible.
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There are some very complete calorie/carb counting books available. I'd google amazon and read the reviews on current books. I'm able to use my internet one, but do understand about slow internet....or go to a book store and peruse there.
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tell me how to do the radishes, I miss fried potatoes, OH BOY do I miss fruit, someday closer to goal maybe. Would you share your loss rate please?

-Seabreezes,
could you share UD and DD menus since you are LC ala JUDDD i would love to see what your doing. Would you share your loss rate?

Thank you to you both

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I don't know my actual weight loss rate because I don't weigh at this point. But I am definitely slimmer, and feeling so much better. I have found a way of eating for life I can live with. My clothes are really getting a lot looser, and my face is looking slim!

I will weigh soon for the first time.

On radishes, I just chop them and fry them like potatoes... but one time I par boiled them in chicken stock for 10 minutes before frying. Think I liked that better

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do you do the same with zuchunni? or mix together?

From your avatar (?) your quite thin

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Thanks Everyone,
I did look up my keto macros: 25g. carbs
67g.protein
30g. fat
1417 kcal base metobolic rate
647 kcal target cal

Judd recommends less than 500 calories for DD.

I am not sure what I should do, the ****** tracker is very difficult for me to use since I am on a horrible dial up connection. When I have taken the hours to input my data my calories were lesss than 1000 so I think that I should be losing.
Perhaps someone could recommend a book title that would allow me to do the tracking manually.

thoughts anyone?? and thanks for your help
1000 for UD or DD? 1000 would be too high for DD and too low for UD.
JUDDD works so well with a big swing. I'd think you should be somewhere around 1700/340 (Totally a guess- but I recommend using the JUDDD calculator on Dr. J's site).
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I haven't figured out doing JUDDD yet still just doing Atkins at about 1000 cals a day.
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do you do the same with zuchunni? or mix together?

From your avatar (?) your quite thin

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I've never boiled the zuc!
I just love sauteed zuc...oh and a pb, apple cider vinegar, sweetener thai style dip and I can eat zuc raw. nomnomnom
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Maximum....I see that low carb in my stats. I've been at this weight for a couple of years now. I really don't have any set menu. I try to eat less calories on Mondays and Thursdays. I don't have a very large appetite any day, so don't really count anymore. I would like to lose a bit more, but am happy at this weight so do not really worry. I think JUDDD has taken away the emergency feeling of having to eat.

I've been following the intuitive eating threads and think I would like to try that.

I do think I eat lower carb as I have been used to that for so long, but enjoy myself when we eat out at restaurants or friend's homes. We also travel a lot so have to go with the flow when we are not home for long stretches of time.

The great thing about JUDDD is the fact that most of the successful people on here did not do low carb exclusively.

If you are giving up grains and sugars, you are following low carb. Simply eat what you feel your body wants and likes. Use a food tracker and play around with different scenarios.

I know this didn't answer your question about menus! Sorry I can't be more specific. I eat what is appealing that day. Hubby and I like the same kinds of food so that is easy.
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Seabreezes,
thanks it does answer what you are doing. We all have to find our own key to success.

Partof7,
I made the radishes...very yummy! It is nice to have something besides a salad at every meal.

I am hoping that I am close to losing...my scale has not confirmed that but I am hoping by Monday I can say that I am down some :0

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I am doing low carb and JUDDD. It works very well. After nearly two weeks I had to force myself to eat enough on my UD to keep out of a metabolism slow down and to keep from stalling out. But I am also exercising so I concentrate on Protein sources and lots of water on the DD.
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1000 for UD or DD? 1000 would be too high for DD and too low for UD.
JUDDD works so well with a big swing. I'd think you should be somewhere around 1700/340 (Totally a guess- but I recommend using the JUDDD calculator on Dr. J's site).
When doing JUDDD, my numbers are "techincally" 1700/360 (if memory serves), I lost a bunch doing 1700/600 as 360 was very tough for me. I'm debating starting JUDDD again with 1700/700 as my numbers to see what that does as far as losing. I fully expect a slow loss but that is fine with me as LC is doing nothing for me at all (except making me HATE meat!).
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Becky, it sounds like it's worth a try. Is 700 on the calculator maintenance or weight loss? I only worry if it would prevent SIRTs from being triggered.
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Becky, as Kwerp indicates, it's a 1000kcal difference, which is substantial, and at least puts you in the rhythm of the rotations, even if it takes a tad longer to achieve the SIRT modulation. Over 20 rotation days, you'll be 3400kcals up on the intake you'd have had if you had started out with the lower DD number.

We can't check the calculator for you as we don't know your height, nor what you've selected as your activity level. However, I guessed at 63 inches and set the activity level to low, and got 1784 UD, 714 DD when I selected the 40% weight loss/maintenance. So - it's just within the bounds of possibility and certainly worth trying if it gets you back into JUDDD.
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It cannot hurt to try.

And, once you are in the rhythm, dropping from 700 cal/DDs to the occasional 650 or 600 (at which point we know you activated SIRTs in the past based on past weight loss) ..... well, it might happen if you decide it needs to.
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