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Old 04-28-2014, 05:39 PM   #1
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Another Untimely Death of Diet Guru - Seth Roberts

What the? Last month it was Byron Richards and now Seth Roberts author of Shangri La Diet. He apparently collapsed while hiking. I had a skype consult with Seth in January and he was so committed, he believed in self experimentation and he was always researching, my sincerest sympathy.

His last blog stated he had been eating half stick of butter each day lately and his tests showed his heart health had improved. I wonder if there will be a backlash from the LF brigade over this. Anyway another sudden death shock of a guru

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Old 04-28-2014, 07:48 PM   #2
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Oh no. Very sad. I believe that Ouis (Ouizoid) was one of his early testers for the Shangri-La diet.
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Oh no, that's terrible. May he RIP.

I don't know much about him or his diet plan, but is it possible he had other issues? I still see people blaming high-fat on Dr. Atkins death, even after his family released his death certificate.
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Not sure if these gentlemen were long distance runners but, I have read that this is very taxing on your heart and that is why there are marathon runners that seem in very good shape drop dead of heart attacks There is a heart doctor named Dr. Sears and he has a book out about an exercise program called PACE....it only takes 12 minutes a day and is very healthy for your heart. His website is pacelivingdotcom....if your interested in reading about it. I believe VS model Miranda Kerr does this program along with yoga

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Byron, who just seemed so fit and vibrant apparently collapsed whilst jogging and Seth hiking. Byron's passing was a huge shock to me; his book is my all time favourite. If you are young enough you might remember James Fixx author of The Complete Book of Running, collapsing whilst jogging - that was a huge shock in the fitness community. That book was the first health/nutrition book I read and probably the start of my nutrition/diet book obsession. Perhaps we just can't escape our genes?

I have to say that I have cut down my long cardios and there is no difference in my weight (I'm in maintenance). I now do quick short weights, 15 min HIIT and hike or walk only when it's a beautiful day and I do it for pleasure not pain. Diet is the key for me, LC and fasting thrown in, no stress, no cravings, lots of magnesium and sleep. But yes, if you have male loved ones jogging then proceed with caution.

PS: I love Miranda - she takes CO as well and brought it into the spotlight.
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I hate to hear that.

It makes a certain sort of sense that running long distances would be bad for your heart...I don't think the human body was meant to run 10+ miles at any one time, ever. Of course, I am not a runner, so I cannot speak.
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If you look at the percentage of people running at any given moment that die of a heart attack it is far lower than the percentage of people that die of heart attacks laying on the couch or even sitting on the toilet. A couple of weeks ago three people died while running marathons. There were thousands upon THOUSANDS of people running races across the country that day and only three of them died. Sounds like a pretty safe activity to me.

Sometimes people just die. Some people have congenital heart defects that they don't know about. That is usually what is wrong the the apparently fit people that drop dead. My mom has that defect. They only way she found out was when she had an irregular heat beat while hooked up for a routine EKG. The doctor said it is exacerbated by being dehydrated more than exercise, so now she takes medication and drinks a lot of water.

Fairly regularly you hear of young men in high school or college dying while playing basketball. Why aren't there books written about the dangers of basketball? People (in general) have some kind of irrational dislike/fear of running. I really saw it when I started a running program at my school. I had parent after parent tell me their kid just couldn't run. Really? How many 7 year old kids truly CAN NOT run? They sure can run in the halls when they aren't supposed to (the same parents love the program now).
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Not demonizing running at all...just saying LONG distance running has been proven by a Heart Doctor to be unhealthy for the heart...the word marathon originated by an Athens soldier who ran 26 miles to declare they had won the war and dropped dead after...hmmm ironic.
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Heart doctors have also proven eating fat is unhealthy too.
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Love this forum because of the diverse ideas! I am of the opinion running marathons can't be good for your heart, but, Gina, you bring up some very interesting and relevant points.
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If you look at the percentage of people running at any given moment that die of a heart attack it is far lower than the percentage of people that die of heart attacks laying on the couch or even sitting on the toilet. A couple of weeks ago three people died while running marathons. There were thousands upon THOUSANDS of people running races across the country that day and only three of them died. Sounds like a pretty safe activity to me.

Sometimes people just die. Some people have congenital heart defects that they don't know about. That is usually what is wrong the the apparently fit people that drop dead. My mom has that defect. They only way she found out was when she had an irregular heat beat while hooked up for a routine EKG. The doctor said it is exacerbated by being dehydrated more than exercise, so now she takes medication and drinks a lot of water.

Fairly regularly you hear of young men in high school or college dying while playing basketball. Why aren't there books written about the dangers of basketball? People (in general) have some kind of irrational dislike/fear of running. I really saw it when I started a running program at my school. I had parent after parent tell me their kid just couldn't run. Really? How many 7 year old kids truly CAN NOT run? They sure can run in the halls when they aren't supposed to (the same parents love the program now).
I believe it is the same thing as running, except even more vigorous. Running up and down the court while also blocking/defending/shooting baskets.
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But the headlines don't say "Basketball is Unhealthy." They say "Running is Bad for You." Basketball isn't sustained running either, it is short bursts of intense activity. That's what the "experts" that tell you should replace running with. I think HIIT is good exercise, but it is what is "killing" those basketball players.

I think our collective feelings about running are rooted in school gym. It gets used as a punishment, and if you aren't in shape it is just flat out hard so it feels like a punishment. You can think you are in pretty good shape and it is still hard. I was a closet wannabe runner for years. I would try it from time to time and it was grueling so I quite. So when I would hear it was bad for your knees, heart, whatever I would buy it because I couldn't do it anyway.

I don't think everyone needs to run long distances, but I do think everyone should be able to run a mile or so. It could be a matter of survival in some situations. I read an interesting book called Born to Run that said early man hunted through endurance. A deer can out run a human in a burst, but our respiratory system, non-hairy bodies, cooling system (all over sweat) and large glutes make us perfect endurance runners.
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I do admit in my jogging days, I hated it and the best part of jogging was stopping at the end. My goal was fitness, weight loss etc and I hated it whereas I find HIIT invigorating ie.short bursts of intense movement during a walk or cycle.
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Just goes to show we are all different.

I do HIIT because I think it is good for me, but don't enjoy it at all. I love a good, long run because it makes me feel invincible. If I can run 10 miles I can do anything.
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HIIT is actually really good for your heart...hence the reason I suggested the PACE book and website by Dr. Sears
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I'm loving my HIIT, but it is with the hope that at some point I can run a marathon or a half marathon. That is a goal I'd love to accomplish. With my spine being what it is I'm not sure it will happen, but I'm darn sure my heart would hold out once I was in good enough shape.
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I'm loving my HIIT, but it is with the hope that at some point I can run a marathon or a half marathon. That is a goal I'd love to accomplish. With my spine being what it is I'm not sure it will happen, but I'm darn sure my heart would hold out once I was in good enough shape.
That is a wonderful goal. Running, and especially "racing" (by racing i mean entering races to finish and do your best) is so much fun and very motivating. Runners have a kind of natural camaraderie. Wear a race t-shirt somewhere and you have an instant connection with another runner. ""That was a great race, wasn't it. Perfect weather. Did you run the 5 or the 10?" Sometimes I'll just get a thumbs up in the grocery store.

They are motivating because you have a goal in front of you, something to work toward. I understand working out because its good for you, but having a race in a month motivates me to get out and run today, no matter what. General "better health" doesn't keep me from putting it off until tomorrow.

Most people start with a 5k. There are tons of them, they aren't too hard to train for (and no one cares if you need a walk break), usually aren't too expensive and generally benefit a charity. The atmosphere is fun, you'll get a t-shirt, goody bag and a banana and be home happy by 11 am usually.
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I'm pretty sure I could do a 5k, especially if I can take a walk break if my back starts acting up. I'm going to look for one in my area.
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Back to the original post, I am so so very sad about Seth's passing. I knew him personally and he was a wonderful thoughtful helpful man. He will be greatly missed.
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I have been incorporating PACE with the 4 minute Tabata concept. Love it.
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I would have said to anyone recently that I couldn't run to save my life. Yesterday morning while taking the nieces dog out I just spontaneously started to lift my feet up and ran down the block and back. Who knew?!
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I am not a runner, but now that I weigh so much less, I sometimes find myself breaking into a trot, just because. It IS a lot easier when you don't have so much of you moving up and down.

As a side note to heart attacks while performing any kind of exertion, I read an interesting article about the 'mechanics' of some heart stoppages in these cases, that there can be almost an 'airlock' effect when a heart is pumping a large volume quickly.

Not that I can explain it as well as the doctor, but from his description, I got a visual of the heart pushing out the next surge of blood, but because of the amount/rapidity, there not being enough blood ready to 'draw in', and this creating a kind of freeze.

The doctor said in these cases, something as simple as laying the person down, and lifting their legs, to use gravity to get the blood pushing up against the 'entry', can help get things going again. (Perhaps aided with CPR, of course.)
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Yikes! Scary thought.
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