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Old 05-23-2014, 01:25 PM   #61
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Ferk, I hope you don't feel like we're ganging up on you! That was not my intention and, I'm sure, is not the intention of anyone here. Your thoughts are welcome and as valid as anyone else's. And if JUDDDing and HDE don't sync up for you because you feel "diety" on DDs, then by all means, don't do it! Not yet anyway....you may change your mind on down the road.

I do get where you're coming from. In the beginning, JUDDD feels amazingly free on UDs, but consists of some pretty serious restriction on DDs. Very different from anything most people have ever tried. And DDs can be quite challenging, even after you've been doing it for awhile. But once it's ingrained, mostly it feels like no big deal, which is where I was coming from in my response.

And Christina, thanks for the reminder that Dr. Johnson suggests not counting on UDs. I guess I have blocked that out because when I read it I was feeling very restricted by my calorie counts and thought "Yeah right, like I will ever come even near as low as 1750 calories if I don't count." Now, I don't know where I come in, but I'm betting that some UDs are right around there or even lower. Some are higher, I'm sure.


Great post. We did not mean anything against your thoughts, Ferk. We have been doing JUDDD for a long time now, so I think we look at it a bit differently. If I was just starting out, I would just follow JUDDD and not try anything else.

I think that asking yourself if you really are hungry or if you are eating because of some other factor, then IE thoughts are great to run through your head at any time.
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Old 05-23-2014, 03:15 PM   #62
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We do have several JUDDDers here who have not counted UDs almost from day one and have been tremendously successful, including getting to and maintaining their goal weight. I'm using them as my role models!
I haven't counted UDs since part way into my first month.

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I hadnít realised that the new book didnít specify calories for up days. Iíve never counted them. I donít treat them as a complete free-for-all, but I donít count, or worry about being terribly strict either.
this is exactly how I feel about UD. I eat if I'm hungry- I don't if I'm not or not until I'm hungry.
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Old 06-02-2014, 02:14 PM   #63
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I haven't counted UDs since part way into my first month.



this is exactly how I feel about UD. I eat if I'm hungry- I don't if I'm not or not until I'm hungry.
So glad I ran across this because even after just a week on JUDDD, I usually don't feel like trying to get all the calories my UD says I should have (2268) because I'm full. I'm closer to 1500-1700 and have wondered if this would mean slow weight loss. It's kinda reverse psychology I guess. If I *have* to eat more then I don't wanna LOL. We humans are goofy! Anyway, I don't really want to have to count up days. Glad to see it's working just fine for those of you who have been doing this awhile.
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Old 06-16-2014, 09:22 AM   #64
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After I read the book I took a 2 month break from JUDDD and did just HDE. Last week I decided to give it a try again to see if I could control my UDs. It seems to be working like a charm. I've had no urges to overeat so far. The principles in "Skinny Jeans" are excellent for both UDs and DDs.
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Old 06-16-2014, 12:04 PM   #65
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After I read the book I took a 2 month break from JUDDD and did just HDE. Last week I decided to give it a try again to see if I could control my UDs. It seems to be working like a charm. I've had no urges to overeat so far. The principles in "Skinny Jeans" are excellent for both UDs and DDs.
So happy to hear this, you are doing so well
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Old 06-16-2014, 02:53 PM   #66
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oh! I have that book on my ipad! I should definitely reread! Thanks for the rec!
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Old 10-08-2014, 05:26 AM   #67
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Old 10-14-2014, 08:37 AM   #68
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JUDDD and Intuitive Eating

I'm reading the Tribole and Spinardi books simultaneously. Tribole insists that you can't practice intuitive eating (IE) and retain the "diet mentality" that restricts your eating to specific quantities/types of foods, such as we do with the JUDDD WOE. Weight loss is to be a happy side effect, if it happens at all, to developing a "normal," healthy WOE for life.

Tribole describes the experience of one woman who ate intuitively for a period of weeks or months, felt slimmer, better, and then made the mistake of weighing herself on her bathroom scale. She was devastated to find that she'd lost very little weight, and immediately resumed her previous dieting/bingeing cycle of behavior. So much for IE and weight loss.

I believe that IE is ideal for maintaining weight loss, and indeed for assessing hunger and satiety on our DDs and UDs, but it's not going shift these 25 pounds I need to evict. As a dieting warhorse, alternate day calorie restriction has proven to be just about the only way I make any progress losing. JMHO, and I'd love to hear yours!
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Old 10-14-2014, 09:42 AM   #69
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I'm about 2/3 through the Spinardi book. I've read maybe ten other books on intuitive eating and I have to admit this one isn't a favorite. To me it reads more like a persuasive blog. A lot of hyperbole and caps and slang and not much real world support, mainly just claims. Though there have been lots of good insights already and I'm glad I have it and might appreciate it more when I'm done with it.

The book is loanable one time so if anyone here needs a copy to read, I'd be glad to lend you mine when I finish it.

I'm dying to read the Krista Varady book so if anyone has the Kindle version and is willing to loan it, I'd love to borrow it!

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Old 10-14-2014, 10:00 AM   #70
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Thank you so much for this book rec. I read it over the weekend and plan to reread it and try to put some of the techniques into practice. It made a ton of sense to me!
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Old 10-14-2014, 10:07 AM   #71
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It is very conversational, but I liked her presentation of the ideas. I've read it several times over to remind myself of the concepts, and I could read it several more. Somehow I fully understand all the concepts as I read them, but then when it comes time to apply them, I don't remember (or don't want to).
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Old 10-14-2014, 11:44 AM   #72
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Gillian Riley "Eating Less" is my favourite. But her fist book that is the most comprehensive is not available on Kindle. I am currently reading Jon Gabriel "The Gabriel Method" just half way through at the moment, it is a different slant and I am finding it very interesting so far.
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Old 10-14-2014, 12:00 PM   #73
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Gillian Riley "Eating Less" is my favourite. But her fist book that is the most comprehensive is not available on Kindle. I am currently reading Jon Gabriel "The Gabriel Method" just half way through at the moment, it is a different slant and I am finding it very interesting so far.
I really liked this book, and am implementing a lot of his ideas. I listen to his evening meditation as I fall asleep most nights. Love it.
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Old 10-20-2014, 06:22 AM   #74
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I love this book! I also bought the audio version via Josie's site and it's quite helpful to hear it as well.
Where you able to listen to it on your phone too or just the computer? When I clicked on her site to buy the audio it wasn't clear if it would download into my kindle or audible and at 24.95 I wanted to make sure before laying down that kind of cash.
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Old 10-21-2014, 08:56 AM   #75
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Joanna - thanks for bumping this thread for me! I read over it ten days ago, but didn't see that post of yours. I just was rereading the thread again and saw it..

I downloaded Josie's book last week and have read most of it. I am no stranger to IE/HDE and have most of the books out there... I have tried it, too and long term did not gain much - but I also did not lose. I have no dreams of being a super model, but I would like to be thinner to be healthier and enjoy my life to the max. I would love to think that HDE could work for me long term, but it's hard to get rid of the 45+ years of dieting experience and head trash that tells me that if I don't somehow restrict I will never lose.

I was reading the book while coming home from a 4 day family reunion vacation where I gave myself permission to go off my LC/IF plan. At first I thought Josie wasn't telling me anything new, and for the first half of the book she wasn't - although I enjoyed her casual style. She was totally describing me, and although I am not a total 5,000 calorie binger, I am definitely an overeater on the days where I am "starting again tomorrow".

Anyway, I have the rest of the book to read... and she does give some good tips that can be incorporated into UD's now. I know I'll be rereading it and my other IE books over the next couple of months.

I have yet to meet someone on any IE/HDE forum that has lost a significant amount of weight doing it and kept it off. Sure, the author of the book did and there must be some people who are successful.. I doubt the statistics are any different than the 5% of the dieting population who are successful long term on maintaining their weight loss on any diet.

To sum up my feelings, I think HDE is great for UD's, and maintaining a loss. And I plan to try to ingrain the principles because I do plan to toss in periods of maintaining as I lose (fingers crossed!)..

Thanks for everyone's input on this thread!
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Old 10-23-2014, 02:30 AM   #76
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Has anyone read "Eat for Heat" by Matt Stone? I am only about half way through and not sure what to make of it. Would be very interested to hear from anyone else that has read it and particularly if anyone has ever followed his advice. It is very worrying what he says about drinking water, which makes sense!!

LowCarbGal, I generally read when I go to bed until I am ready to fall asleep but do want to give Jon Gabriel's meditation a try at some stage. Are you using his strategies? After starting reading the above I am totally confused now so not sure what I will be doing.
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