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Old 04-23-2014, 03:12 PM   #121
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Well, I just was not mentally prepared for a down day today. I am going to do it on Friday, as I always did Mon, Wed, Fri down days. I will be more prepared. I need to make sure everything is planned out. I didn't bring anything to work for lunch today and I was so hungry I dove face first in a bowl of chocolate. I don't think my mind was made up to start today.
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After my DD I have some really weird symptoms. I get nauseated most of the morning, when I eat it makes me feel worse and dizziness throughout the day. On the DDs I don't get dizzy or lightheaded too often but on the UDs I do.
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After my DD I have some really weird symptoms. I get nauseated most of the morning, when I eat it makes me feel worse and dizziness throughout the day. On the DDs I don't get dizzy or lightheaded too often but on the UDs I do.
Could it be something you are eating?
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Shar- what are you eating(if anything) on your Down Days? And drinking? Maybe your electrolytes are out of balance.
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Shar- what are you eating(if anything) on your Down Days? And drinking? Maybe your electrolytes are out of balance.

That's a good point. On DDs I am drinking lots of water, 2 cups of coffee, I eat 1 meal about midday sometimes dinner instead about 200 calories. I am totaling about 350 calories a day on DD. I don't take a MVI every day, I will add that in to my supplements.

I haven't noticed it being just 1 type of food. Definitely worse if it has bread, trying to eat gluten free most of time or my belly really hurts.

Thanks for helping me think through it, so obvious now!
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oooh, I'm so glad you think you've figured the problem out! It's miserable to feel sick like that on UDs. I often have issues 1st time I eat on UDs. For me, the lower my DD cals, the more issues I have early on in an UD. It's no fun!
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Shar, you might try making some of the water you drink be lemon water with a pinch of salt in it. Perhaps you are 'diluting yourself' too much.
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Shar, you might try making some of the water you drink be lemon water with a pinch of salt in it. Perhaps you are 'diluting yourself' too much.
My thought as well. A little broth might help, too. We're so "anti-sodium" in this country, we tend to forget it's an important nutrient. DDs can lead to electrolyte imbalances simply because we're not getting enough of the vital nutrients we need. (Of course, I'm a salt fiend, and put it on just about everything--and my last labs showed pretty low blood sodium.)
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Hi. I'm new and on my second DD. I am really struggling with staying under 500 for induction. My numbers are 2283/ and 580-680 (25-30%). the first DD I really underestimated how difficult it would be and was not prepared. That was about 900 calories. Today, I was prepared with egg whites and veggies and a ground turkey chili I made. However, I am just starving. It will probably be approx 800 tonight.

On my UP yesterday, I did not even eat all my calories. I ate approx 1900, including wine with dinner. Late I read that it was bad not to eat them all, and I will try and adjust that too.

I am 42 y/o at home mom to 3 and I fairly active all day long, not including exercise. I am 5'4 164 lifetime high weight, goal 140. Actually, I like this way of eating. Emotionally, it seems to suit me well. My question is: if I can't get the dd below 500, am I just wasting my time doing JUDDD at all?

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Old 04-24-2014, 02:36 PM   #130
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Hi. I'm new and on my second DD. I am really struggling with staying under 500 for induction. My numbers are 2283/ and 580-680 (25-30%). the first DD I really underestimated how difficult it would be and was not prepared. That was about 900 calories. Today, I was prepared with egg whites and veggies and a ground turkey chili I made. However, I am just starving. It will probably be approx 800 tonight.

On my UP yesterday, I did not even eat all my calories. I ate approx 1900, including wine with dinner. Late I read that it was bad not to eat them all, and I will try and adjust that too.

I am 42 y/o at home mom to 3 and I fairly active all day long, not including exercise. I am 5'4 164 lifetime high weight, goal 140. Actually, I like this way of eating. Emotionally, it seems to suit me well. My question is: if I can't get the dd below 500, am I just wasting my time doing JUDDD at all?

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The DDs will become easier, so I wouldn't worry about that yet at all. Concentrate on getting used to rotating and lower as you're able. I get 1766/353 for your calories at 20%, no exercise. I wouldn't recommend using the calculator at anything other than sedentary unless you're REALLY REALLY active and exercise a lot. (I'm about your age, weigh a little less, and am quite a bit taller, and don't get as many calories as you're attempting.) Just a thought.
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The DDs will become easier, so I wouldn't worry about that yet at all. Concentrate on getting used to rotating and lower as you're able. I get 1766/353 for your calories at 20%, no exercise. I wouldn't recommend using the calculator at anything other than sedentary unless you're REALLY REALLY active and exercise a lot. (I'm about your age, weigh a little less, and am quite a bit taller, and don't get as many calories as you're attempting.) Just a thought.
I thought my numbers seemed higher than other people's. is that it? I should say I am not active at all? I definitely can't do 353!
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Jennifer! The first DDs can be tough. You just don't really know what to expect at first, and how your body will react. Not to mention your head! I'd say you did fine for your first one, especially going into it without fully fueling on the previous UD. They do get easier, I promise!
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The body has an amazing ability to adapt to current activity levels and regulate metabolism to match it. If your current activity level is normal for you, I wouldn't add extra calories. You can always try it according to your original numbers if you want, and it may work great. Some people do need more than others.

You might surprise yourself with how comfortable you can feel on 300 calories, once you find the foods that keep you satisfied. During WLM, I rarely went over 300 calories, but I found what works for me (protein and bulky low-calorie veggies). Others find they do better with smaller amounts of mainly fat. Others choose to have almost exclusively protein. It really is about finding what will work for YOU.

That being said, again, don't worry about lowering your calories until you are used to rotating. Some never go below 600 and lose just fine. Some thought there was no way they'd ever get below 500, and now they fast completely with just water or coffee. It's a learning process.
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Ok. Thanks for the advice and encouragement.

On next DD, I may try not eating at all until afternoon and see if that helps.

These two days, I have had a "good breakfast". Today it was 2 egg whites and yellow peppers. I was ok after that. Then at lunch I had the fat free turkey chili (with black beans, tomatoes.). But even after eating a cup of that chili, I felt like I hadn't eaten at all. I restrained from eating more, but by 2PM, I was ravenous. I did not feel emotionally deprived, just hungry! I had a snack, which was actually popcorn and I was fine for the rest of the day.

So, I don't know if the morning food is getting my appetite going so strongly and I should not eat at all in the mornings OR I should just eat more in afternoon and none in evening. Will have to experiment.
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Pink - that is where I am, in experimentation mode.
I hit the two week of JUDDD today and plan on continuing. It's a great trade off so I can eat my favorite healthy non lc foods (fruit and lentils mostly!) without guilt. Plus, if I screw up - I know there is tomorrow. JUDDD gives me hope - for the first time in my life with regards to food!!!

That being said - I definitely think that if I can hold off until eating I am better off. Yesterday I made it until 7pm and ate and then it was a constant gnawing hunger until I ate so much cabbage I gave myself a stomach ache and felt horrible.

Debating tomorrow just fasting all day with iced tea (with splenda) and water...
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I have always from the beginning only had coffee for breakfast on DDs. It probably is as many calories as eating, but it doesn't start the crazy hunger. I do use cream to amount to between 60-100 calories...in the beginning I would have lunch as my first "meal" and would have celery cut up and salted, and two pickle spears with ham or turkey wrapped around it (sometimes also a laughing cow wedge split between the two or three). I usually had about 200-300 left for dinner, which was just enough.

About 6-7 months into Juddd (I really can't remember), I started fasting until dinner, except for coffee in the mornings.

Also, I just remembered, sometimes I went and got an iced coffee for lunch w/skim milk and a flavored shot (dunkin's), and just counted it. No food.
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Ok. Thanks for the advice and encouragement.

On next DD, I may try not eating at all until afternoon and see if that helps.

These two days, I have had a "good breakfast". Today it was 2 egg whites and yellow peppers. I was ok after that. Then at lunch I had the fat free turkey chili (with black beans, tomatoes.). But even after eating a cup of that chili, I felt like I hadn't eaten at all. I restrained from eating more, but by 2PM, I was ravenous. I did not feel emotionally deprived, just hungry! I had a snack, which was actually popcorn and I was fine for the rest of the day.

So, I don't know if the morning food is getting my appetite going so strongly and I should not eat at all in the mornings OR I should just eat more in afternoon and none in evening. Will have to experiment.
I don't get hungry till I start eating. It's that simple for me. I fast till a bedtime snack on DD at 9:30pm. It is under 200 calories typically. On UD I fast till 1pm on days following a DD (T and Th) and on F,S,S I fast till dinner. It works for me. JUDDD takes experimentation in the beginning.

You got great feed back from Dawn regarding not adding exercise calories. I workout 5-7 days per week and never added exercise calories back in.
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Welcome Pink!!

I get way hungrier as soon as a morsel of food enters my mouth, so in WLM, I really try to completely fast as long as possible on DDs. I will drink coffee (with a splash of skim milk & splenda) as much as I need to, and maybe have a large skinny latte in the afternoon to tide me over. (sipping on it for a few hours) Everyone is different. Some people do just fine eating higher calorie DDs and still lose. You sortof just have to figure it out yourself! You'll find what works best for you and then things will be FABULOUS! Welcome, welcome!!
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I don't get hungry till I start eating. It's that simple for me. I fast till a bedtime snack on DD at 9:30pm. It is under 200 calories typically. On UD I fast till 1pm on days following a DD (T and Th) and on F,S,S I fast till dinner. It works for me. JUDDD takes experimentation in the beginning.

You got great feed back from Dawn regarding not adding exercise calories. I workout 5-7 days per week and never added exercise calories back in.
Obviously, I agree with Carly. Ditto! That's moi!
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Going to steal a few of your ideas...How do you make a skinny latte?
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I get it from Starbucks, but I'm pretty sure it is 2 or 3 shots of espresso with skim milk.
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oooh, I'm so glad you think you've figured the problem out! It's miserable to feel sick like that on UDs. I often have issues 1st time I eat on UDs. For me, the lower my DD cals, the more issues I have early on in an UD. It's no fun!

Well, today will be a test because I did 2 DDs in a row for the first time. I have to say it wasn't near as tough as I thought it would be. Today is my hubby's bday so I wanted it to be my UD. I think I will just eat later in the day and see if that's the ticket...
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... Today it was 2 egg whites and yellow peppers. ... at lunch I had the fat free turkey chili (with black beans, tomatoes.). But even after eating a cup of that chili, I felt like I hadn't eaten at all. ...
I find that keeping my Down Days to protein and fat, rather that protein and carbs, really helps with hunger.
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I find that keeping my Down Days to protein and fat, rather that protein and carbs, really helps with hunger.

What kind of fat?
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I bet Sirtain has better ideas than I do, but one source of fat is Heavy Whipping Cream--at one tablespoon (in coffee) for 50 calories, it has fat that helps keep you satiated. I also like to have a hamburger patty sometimes for dinner...4 oz is about 280 calories (chuck) and a good bit of fat. Very satisfying.
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I get it from Starbucks, but I'm pretty sure it is 2 or 3 shots of espresso with skim milk.
Party, yep, what Carly said. I order a venti skinny flavored latte. (Sugar free, skim milk, from wherever, though)

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Well, today will be a test because I did 2 DDs in a row for the first time. I have to say it wasn't near as tough as I thought it would be. Today is my hubby's bday so I wanted it to be my UD. I think I will just eat later in the day and see if that's the ticket...
Hope you end up feeling just fine for the festivities!!
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I bet Sirtain has better ideas than I do, but one source of fat is Heavy Whipping Cream--at one tablespoon (in coffee) for 50 calories, it has fat that helps keep you satiated. I also like to have a hamburger patty sometimes for dinner...4 oz is about 280 calories (chuck) and a good bit of fat. Very satisfying.
I did notice that the egg whites cooked with a tiny bit of real butter and sprinkle of cheese kept me more full feeling than a much larger serving of the chili, which had basically no fat. The other thing that worked was a 1/2 peanut butter sandwich on a different dd. That is not a good solution, due to the high calories, but it does bolster the fat theory.
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