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DrwhoTardisRose 02-18-2014 05:58 PM

DD with protein only or fats only?
 
I was reading this blog where this girl talked about doing DD where it's only protein or only fats. Just wondering if anyone has tried this and what your results were?

KeirasMom 02-18-2014 08:12 PM

It's very individual. There are some here who do mainly fats, some who do mainly proteins, some who do mainly carbohydrates or bulky vegetables, and yet others who do any number of combinations thereof.

I've tried all of them. What works for me is a combination of bulk (veggies) and protein. If I eat fat, I get hungry. Others are very satisfied with just fat. Others eat nothing at all.

I know that's no help, but it really is something you have to experiment with to find out what keeps YOU satisfied.

LoCarbGal 02-18-2014 09:31 PM

I've tried it both ways, and usually have really nice whooshy losses as a result. Trouble is, I can't do them all the time or I get bored and frustrated on DDs. But if I do a couple of egg days, or coffee w/HWC days, or I've even had bacon days, I usually have a nice loss. Come to think of it, it may be time to do a couple of those!

kwerp 02-19-2014 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by LoCarbGal (Post 16806044)
I've tried it both ways, and usually have really nice whooshy losses as a result. Trouble is, I can't do them all the time or I get bored and frustrated on DDs. But if I do a couple of egg days, or coffee w/HWC days, or I've even had bacon days, I usually have a nice loss. Come to think of it, it may be time to do a couple of those!

Hmmm. I think I know what I'm doing for tomorrow's DD! Egg day! :D

gotsomeold 02-19-2014 03:58 AM

Sometimes I did a "1/2 fat fast" day (for 500 calories). It never changed my weight-low rate...but it was fun and felt good.

Hmm, I never did an all protein DD. Nothing wrong with the idea...I guess I prefer fat and carbs.

SlowSure 02-19-2014 04:25 AM

I agree with the others. It always comes down to personal experimentation and what suits your lifestyle - your needs might even vary from one DD to another depending on your activity levels. Eg, I prefer not to eat above 10g carbs on a DD because I need the protein/fat for my migraine control - but, at this time of year, because of the hypothermia protocols when kayaking, sometimes, I just have to eat some and adapt around that to compensate for the carbs.

It's all about finding what works for you. Have you tried out the shirataki noodles from your local Chinese supermarkets (aka konnyaku/glucomannan noodles)? They provide decent chew and bulk for <5kcals - they work well in broth or other soups. I also like the home-made pasta dough noodles recipe on the recipe board. (It doesn't require a Kitchen Aid - people are getting good results with hand mixing and a standard mincer/cutter such as the NorPro - as you'll discover when reading the thread.)

Depending on which tweak people adopt, it's consistently <25kcals <1-2 effective carbs per serving and ideal for a DD snack.

Leo41 02-19-2014 04:35 AM

Before I did JUDDD, I was doing ProteinPower. I always eat low carb, and I am concerned about getting sufficient protein to insure that I lose fat rather than lean body (muscle).

I consulted Dr. Eades via his blog about the low-calorie DDs (safety from a nutritional perspectives), and he advised me to eat mainly high-quality protein.

I did all my DDs mainly on egg whites, fish, or chicken. No fat because that just adds calories IMO, and I could barely get in enough protein on my 400 cal.

It worked great for me, and I still do mainly protein on low-calorie days (I cycle now but not EOD).

CarolinaCoast 02-19-2014 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo41 (Post 16806186)
Before I did JUDDD, I was doing ProteinPower. I always eat low carb, and I am concerned about getting sufficient protein to insure that I lose fat rather than lean body (muscle).

I consulted Dr. Eades via his blog about the low-calorie DDs (safety from a nutritional perspectives), and he advised me to eat mainly high-quality protein.

I did all my DDs mainly on egg whites, fish, or chicken. No fat because that just adds calories IMO, and I could barely get in enough protein on my 400 cal.

It worked great for me, and I still do mainly protein on low-calorie days (I cycle now but not EOD).

How was your hunger level with that amount of protein? I've read that it helps, but I've never tried high-protein low-fat

Librarygirl 02-19-2014 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo41 (Post 16806186)
Before I did JUDDD, I was doing ProteinPower. I always eat low carb, and I am concerned about getting sufficient protein to insure that I lose fat rather than lean body (muscle).

I consulted Dr. Eades via his blog about the low-calorie DDs (safety from a nutritional perspectives), and he advised me to eat mainly high-quality protein.

I did all my DDs mainly on egg whites, fish, or chicken. No fat because that just adds calories IMO, and I could barely get in enough protein on my 400 cal.

It worked great for me, and I still do mainly protein on low-calorie days (I cycle now but not EOD).

I'm glad to see you post that, Leo. There has been some discussion about what the doctor meant when he told you to eat mostly protein. Did he mean as much as you wanted, or within your DD calories? Seems like you answered that because you limited it to 400 cals. :)

Leo41 02-19-2014 03:52 PM

CarolinaCoast-
It's protein that is satiating for me, so I had few problems with hunger on DDs eating protein.

LibraryGirl-
I'd made it clear to Dr. Eades that my calorie limit was 400 on DDs, and he advised me to focus on protein for those calories. I never exceeded my DD calorie limits in the 2 years I was doing JUDDD, and I think it was eating protein that helped me.

Also keep in mind that my UDs were not significantly different because I always eat very low carb. I could allow myself more food on UDs, but I never went above 20g of carbs and was often closer to 10g. That's how I eat now in maintenance.

Librarygirl 02-19-2014 03:54 PM

That's awesome, Leo, and I admire your resolve. :)

CarolinaCoast 02-19-2014 04:00 PM

Thanks Leo, I'm going to experiment with that on my next DD.

DrwhoTardisRose 02-19-2014 06:11 PM

Thx for all the awesome advice!! I did have an all protein DD in the form of 3 chicken thighs without the skin and I was still hungry:( I know I probably did not get enough to eat but, I was feeling under the weather and wasn't feeling much like eating anyway. I did have a 3 lb loss after so I guess it does work...lol:) I have tried the shirataki noodles and I just can't stomach them...they are so gross....not sure what I'm doing wrong...I rinse them really, really well and put them in broth and sauces and they never seem to absorb the taste of anything. I have just decided that if I want pasta I will have the real thing on an UD:)

vanilla_latte 02-20-2014 08:25 AM

Fats for me. Protein doesn't satisfy me and carbs just make me hungry.

KeirasMom 02-20-2014 09:07 AM

It's funny how we're all so different. Fats make me ravenous. I haven't tried BPC because when I already know it'll make me more hungry than just black coffee.

Leo41 02-20-2014 11:00 AM

Fats make me ravenous, too. That's why I've never been successful with the 'fat fast' even though I'm so metabolically resistant. I starve!

Vanilla-Fat is so caloric that if I ate fats on a DD, I'd hardly get anything to eat at all. Of course, if you get extreme satisfaction from fat, that might not matter, but there's no food in the world that's so satisfying for me that I could eat such a tiny bit and not be hungry.

vanilla_latte 02-20-2014 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by KeirasMom (Post 16808383)
It's funny how we're all so different. Fats make me ravenous. I haven't tried BPC because when I already know it'll make me more hungry than just black coffee.

On a DD, I cut the regular amounts of a full on BPC down to 1 tsp. each and although it tides me over a bit, it's nothing to compared on the 1 T each on an UD. It takes me through all morning!

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Originally Posted by Leo41 (Post 16808540)
Fats make me ravenous, too. That's why I've never been successful with the 'fat fast' even though I'm so metabolically resistant. I starve!

Vanilla-Fat is so caloric that if I ate fats on a DD, I'd hardly get anything to eat at all. Of course, if you get extreme satisfaction from fat, that might not matter, but there's no food in the world that's so satisfying for me that I could eat such a tiny bit and not be hungry.

I'd rather not even eat on a DD. I'm considering doing 2-3 full on BPC's a day as eating just opens the door for wanting more food. Since a full BPC keeps me going for a few hours, having three a day might just get me through the day more sated than eating the little bit I am. I'm happier sipping my way through a DD than eating.

Yep, it is curious to see how different we all are. ;)

DrwhoTardisRose 02-21-2014 12:10 PM

Vanilla- do you order the Bullet coffee or use any brand? I don't do well with caffeine:( can I do the BPC with decaf?

vanilla_latte 02-21-2014 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DrwhoTardisRose (Post 16810098)
Vanilla- do you order the Bullet coffee or use any brand? I don't do well with caffeine:( can I do the BPC with decaf?

Oh, heck no, I buy K-Cups for my Keurig or grind up coffee beans bought from the grocery store. :laugh: I don't see why you couldn't do it with decaf coffee as it's the fats that's the key here (if fat keeps you happy), not the vehicle. There are many people who do a BPC with hot tea instead of coffee. I think some add it to a smoothie or egg cream if coffee or tea isn't their thing.

Locarbarella 02-21-2014 12:58 PM

regarding the shirataki noodles
 
I'm not a huge fan of the Shirataki noodles although I've certainly eaten my share of them over the years. But I use the Miracle Rice constantly to add bulk to my food (and keep my system moving, if you know what I mean.) I especially like it added to greek yogurt. I eat that combination pretty much every down day.

The way to get rid of the smell is to rinse them once in the colander then drizzle lemon juice on them and rinse again. The smell completely disappears.

DrwhoTardisRose 02-23-2014 08:09 PM

Thx Vanilla:)!


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