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Old 02-05-2014, 08:49 AM   #1
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First JUDDD Attempt Fail; 2nd Time Success

I failed miserably with my first attempt at JUDDD as it aggravated my bingeing issues. Up days became a gluttony and bingeing frenzy. I still continued to lurk on this site as I truly believe in the concept of alternate day fasting, and felt disappointed that it didn't suit me.

After reading Dr J's and Krista's new books I became inspired again. Firstly I have dealt with my binge issues; with medication and reading many books including Jack Trimpey's Rational Recovery, I was able to control my primitive Feast Beast. I can still overeat at times but not that freaky out of control craziness.

I am happy to report that second time is a huge success! The weight is falling off me, 2lbs after every DD and both DD's and UD's are a breeze. A huge part of my success is doing a complete fast on DD's. It's easier for me than trying to eat 300 calories. I drink black coffee, herbal teas, water and the occasional diet soda if I must. I give myself permission to eat something if I really have to, so I keep some miracle rice handy or fruit, greek yoghurt, however I haven't had the need to. I find drinking small cups of water when I'm hungry satisfies me. What keeps me going is the thought that the longer I go without food the more my body is running on it's fat stores. Also the longer I keep going the more my body is repairing itself and my rescue gene is gobbling up any baddies in my system. These strict DD's give me a sense of control and appetite suppression and I have the flattest stomach the next morning.

On mornings of UD the magical appetite suppression has so kicked in that I'm not ravenous. I have a few snacks of fruit, greek yoghurt and cream coffee throughout the day and a huge dinner of whatever I was craving the day before, usually meat and veggies with fat/gravy/sour cream etc. At this stage I avoid all sugar and starches as they have a history of being trigger foods for me, although I have had the odd potato and pumpkin.

Anyway just wanted to post this in case someone has failed at JUDDD previously and to give them some encouragement and hope that it may not be the right time now, but don't dismiss it as a future WOE; not just for the weight loss but for the health benefits that have now been so well researched that there is no question about it.

PS: I have had a recent health scare. One thing the specialist told me was that I'm at a lesser risk of what was suspected as I wasn't obese. He said fat is metabolically active and creates excess oestrogen. So although weight loss is and has been my main goal in the past, I believe that the health benefits of this WOE have surpassed this and become my new goal, and for my future health, I MUST continue to control my weight.
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Old 02-05-2014, 08:56 AM   #2
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Hi, Mojo!
Thank you for this inspiring post.
I struggle w/ binge issues as well. I am going to order the book you referenced today but I wanted to ask you about the medication.
Can you share info on it ? as I would like to discuss w/ my doc.
Thank you, again, and I am so very happy and proud for you!
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Old 02-05-2014, 09:06 AM   #3
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Sure happy to pass on; the original SSRI helped me because I am seratonin deficient. I also had depression but I didn't know if the depression caused the bingeing or bingeing caused the depression. In any case, after a few weeks, all sugar cravings and bingeing had gone. I believe I may have been so seratonin deficient that I was craving chocolate and sugar like crazy. I tried 5htp and it worked for a short while but in the end I had to go to an SSRI . Wellbutrin did nothing for me and just made me angry, although it helps others who may have dopamine issues but your doctor should be able to determine what is best for you. Be careful as some SSRI's are notorious for weight gain, so again, discuss with your doc.
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Thank you for the info!!
I need a discussion w/ my doc on a couple topics and shall add this to my list.
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Old 02-05-2014, 09:57 AM   #6
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On reflection, I should state that Jack Trimpey's RR is aimed at alcohol and drug addictions but can be used for any kind of addiction; and as binge eating is also an addiction, one just substitutes the alcohol for binge eating. He also has a book aimed directly at binge eating called the Feast Beast; but I got a personal email from Lois Trimpey advising me that FB was written prior to RR and had more psychobabble in it because that's what they thought at the time, but RR is their most up to date method.
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Mojo, I'm so glad you're feeling better and having such success with JUDDD this time around. Your comments about thinking how your body is running on its own fat the longer you don't eat, and eating up the bad stuff is very motivating. It's the kind of things I used to tell myself on DDs and have lost sight of those things in the every day. Thanks for the good reminder.

I'm so glad your health scare was just a scare.

Thanks for posting this. I'm sure it will help lots of us - I know it did me!
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Mojocat, this thread is exactly what I needed to read! I'm on my second time around with JUDDD, and learning from my first time what seems to work and what doesn't. I am finding that doing liquid DDs (protein shake and/or bulletproof coffee) really helps keep satisfied and focused throughout the day.

Congratulations on your success and thank you so much for sharing!!
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I just read a bunch of posts on the weigh in threads.
I am reminding myself, gently, that I could be where some are had I stuck with it.
I am enjoying reading success stories............the common theme through them is CONSISTENCY.
This family is so so helpful to me.
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Great post mojocat.

I am so pleased that you have your binge issues under control.

Thank you for sharing your experiences so openly. Everyone benefits that way.
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Sure happy to pass on; the original SSRI helped me because I am seratonin deficient. I also had depression but I didn't know if the depression caused the bingeing or bingeing caused the depression. In any case, after a few weeks, all sugar cravings and bingeing had gone. I believe I may have been so seratonin deficient that I was craving chocolate and sugar like crazy. I tried 5htp and it worked for a short while but in the end I had to go to an SSRI . Wellbutrin did nothing for me and just made me angry, although it helps others who may have dopamine issues but your doctor should be able to determine what is best for you. Be careful as some SSRI's are notorious for weight gain, so again, discuss with your doc.
Thank you for sharing, mojo.I have struggled mightily with overeating on UDs, and have gained some control with LC. I am also looking into SSRI's, and have used three different ones in the past--all contributing to weight gain and other side effects. Would you mind sharing which one you are taking? You can tell me privately if that suits you better.
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Fluoexetine - the original. To my knowledge it is the only one approved for eating disorders and is considered weight neutral ie. won't put weight on the vast majority of people and certainly didn't for me.

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Fluoexetine - the original. To my knowledge it is the only one approved for eating disorders and is considered weight neutral ie. won't put weight on the vast majority of people and certainly didn't for me.
Hi Mojo..Thanks so much for telling your story and congratulations on finding what works for you. This weight loss battle is so unique to all of us. I learn so much here and your post has been extremely interesting.

While I don't think I have any kind of depression, I have often wondered if I am serotonin deficient. I am seeing my new doctor on Friday and have a ton of questions and concerns. I will ask her about serotonin and weight loss.

I did some reading about fluoexetine and think its interesting that the info states this rx and alcohol should not be taken together and to be careful when doing things that require you to be alert, such as driving.
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Fluoex is the original prozac but comes under many generic names these days. Any anti-depressant mixed with alcohol is a huge no-no and dangerous and I don't drink anyway..too many carbs hahaha....; and yes they do put that driving/working with machinery sticker on the box as well as on other meds I have used, such as antibiotics and such. I think by law they have to do this as people react to meds in different ways. I know initially it made me tired and fatigued, but not enough to fall asleep at a wheel or anything like that, but people react to meds differently, and this sticker will quite clearly be on the box and will need to be considered. For me after a few weeks when it started to build up in my syste and kick in it certainly energized me and I have no fatigue or sleepiness now, quite the opposite.

Interestingly a low carb diet can deplete seratonin in some people; many articles on this on the web. I had been low carb for years now and my binges were always about the carbs.

I am certainly not recommending meds for bingeing; I was merely answering the questions that were asked of me. It is what worked for me as I had depression mixed in with the BED and I was lucky to escape this but there are many causes of BED and your doctor is the best one to discuss with.
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Oh absolutely. I didn't think you were recommending anything, just telling us your interesting story. Sometimes we forget that our bodies can be a real chemistry lesson and learning what works is sometimes quite a journey. I think its wonderful that you found what works for you. You sound so excited and happy and that is fantastic!

I'm going to do some reading about LC and serotonin. I'm just beginning to understand that there can be a connection. I eat LC no matter what. Not no carb but even on a bad day never over 100. Usually around 25-50. If I eat over 100 my body is not happy and the next day or so my joints get achey.

And you're right, they put every warning under the sun on prescriptions these days. Nice that it energized you after your body got used to it.

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Thanks mojocat. I don't like the warning about alcohol, lol, because I do like to drink a little. Also, some of the anti-depressants totally took away my sex drive. Lexapro didn't do it as badly...I might stick with Amoryn. Need to re-order immediately.
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I don't post this around LCF that often, but LC had a very negative effect on my mood and I was told by a nutritionist and psychiatrist that low carb over long periods of time can cause serotonin to dip and for some it can bring on depression.
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Cindy I don't know about affecting sex drive but it can affect....ahem...the final moments, ...ooh I don't know how to put it....instead of a 10 on the richter scale (excuse the spelling can't be bothered checking) it's a 1..does that make sense? I am told that Wellb can be included to the mix to counteract this. I don't care, anything is better than the misery of BED, the mental anguish/guilt/bloating/pain. Goodness I even ended up in ER one night after a really bad episode in soooo much pain; I really thought my gut was going to explode.
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Mojo: Just want to say, what an inspiring post! It's so exciting to hear that this time around JUDDD is working so well for you. Wowzers! 2 pounds down after every DD is absolutely exciting!

I like how you talked about a total fast on DDs making it easier to not have to think about or deal with food.

On my DDs I do put off eating any calories that have to be chewed for as long as I possibly can. Today is a DD for me and the only calories I have had so far are 60 calories from the half n half in my coffee this morning. I know I could have had an egg or something this afternoon, but drinking more water did it for me and so far I'm good.

I don't always go under 100 on a DD but when I can I'm usually happy with the scale the following morning. Usually, not always. But never 2 pounds happy!! that is just great!!
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Thanks everyone for the kind words. I hope I can inspire others because I am such a believer in this WOE. Dr J's new book is covered in flouro marking, there are so many gems in the book.

I just remembered something thinking about falling asleep at the wheel. The only time I momentarily fell asleep at the wheel was shortly after an attempt at Jack Kruse's Leptin Reset. I ate a boatload of protein for breakfast, I mean he recommends a HUGE amount of protein...HUGE...and about 30 mins afterwards on my way to work I became so sleepy, I practically fell asleep at the wheel. Tried it again another time, and sure enough had to stumble back to bed for nap. Never again - no Broscience for me. His Leptin Reset should come with a sticker warning as well...LOL...
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Thanks mojocat. I don't like the warning about alcohol, lol, because I do like to drink a little. Also, some of the anti-depressants totally took away my sex drive. Lexapro didn't do it as badly...I might stick with Amoryn. Need to re-order immediately.
My sex drive has really ramped up since getting my thyroid optimized. I didn't realize how bad it had gotten until I found it again. It just goes to show what our body chemistries can do. We need to find whatever balance works for us, whether it's SSRIs (which I've taken as well), antidepressants, exercise, diet, replacement hormones, whatever.
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Dawn, I am more determined than ever to get to the doctor. I did the change of doc form they insisted upon, and then called back today only to hear that it might be a minimum of a month before they approved it, not even taking into account how long it will be to get an appointment after approval! It's no wonder people give up on taking care of themselves.
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goodlord this whole situation sounds ridiculous, Cindy.
Is this the doctor's office telling you you have to be approved? or is it your health insurance? I get so frustrated with the silly "rules" we are made to deal with when we are simply trying to take care of ourselves. And this is coming from someone who worked in health care and insurance for many years. The health care system that has been created in this country is appalling and far too often based upon the almighty dollar and not meaningful patient care.
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