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Old 03-27-2014, 04:55 PM   #121
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Just stick with it Nilla. One whole month of counted days, plenty of water and reasonable movement. I won't call it exercise even. One month, no looking elsewhere. Why not give it one month pure JUDDD?

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Old 03-28-2014, 10:10 AM   #122
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Nilla, absolutely none of my business and there's no need to answer if you can't bear it - but why are you thinking that NK might 'fix' your metabolism? (Apologies if that's not your train of thought. I do something reasonably close to NK for migraine control but I doubt I could live with something this restrictive if it didn't do something huge like control migraines for me or didn't offer a mechanism for coping with the probably metabolic corollaries of sarcopenia.)
Nothing around here is not anybody's business since we're all in this together. When I look at my lil' app tracker, I always fall within the NK ranges. That's aside from when I have a carbier day (be it by choice or melt down), of course. Plus I can eat every day. It's very hard to go through the DDs when I see no improvement in anything.

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Just stick with it Nilla. One whole month of counted days, plenty of water and reasonable movement. I won't call it exercise even. One month, no looking elsewhere. Why not give it one month pure JUDDD?

Please my friend?
This is what I had intended to do! Stick with it no matter what. Reasonable movement is not something I've done in a long time, although it's always in my mind to since I've always been a fairly regular exer...reasonable movementer. I get panicky. Seeing the scale go up is frightening, pure and simple. I have no patience for experimentation out of fear of the scale continuing to go up. Sticking with a DD is hard when no results are happening, especially when the numbers just go up.

I'm not looking for sympathy, I seriously am not, when I say this. No one knows how often I am teary-eyed in prayer wondering why in all these years I've not been able to lose weight. If I could ever have one day where I'm not weight-obsessed ... just one day. Ugh.

I did post on the NK thread that I'm considering it, but I'm still considering sticking with JUDDD. Yesterday was supposed to be a DD and it ended up being a MD out of the frustration. I was down a pound, go figure. Still above my starting weight though. Thank you for the encouragement, it means a bunch to me!

3/18 - UD
3/19 - DD +1.5
3/20 - UD -1.0
3/21 - DD +1.0
3/22 - UD -2.0
3/23 - DD (DNW)
3/24 - UD +1.5
3/25 - DD +2.5
3/26 - UD -1.5
3/27 - MD +1.0 (frustration at the scale turned it into a MD)
3/28 - UD -1.0

3/22 Loss for the week: .5 lb. (partial week Tuesday-Saturday)
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Old 03-28-2014, 10:21 AM   #123
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3/28 - After 3 UDs in a row. Not posting that today! Will update tomorrow or Monday.

2/28 = Total lost so far is 10.0
3/4 = Total lost so far is 11.4
3/12 = Total lost so far is 11.8
3/19 = Total lost so far is 14.0
3/23 = Total lost so far is 16.0

I had to post that to make myself feel better. Just returned from my 4 day trip. Monday I was able to stick to a good DD of just over 400 calories, but then the rest of the week got away from me. So, this morning after 3 UDs in a row The scale is back up 4 pounds. I know it's gotta be water weight and undigested restaurant food and too much salt, etc. But it's still hard to see that number after I was on such a great downward roll. I'm going to have a great DD today and see just how forgiving JUDDD is for me this time! then I'll update my "weekly" either tomorrow or Monday.
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Old 03-28-2014, 10:36 AM   #124
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'Nilla: Looks like your body was finally ready to drop that pound regardless of MD or whatever.

So sorry for your frustration and I can totally understand how DDs would be such drudgery when you aren't seeing results on the scale.

All I can do is give you a big ole' cyber hug, Honey.

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Old 03-28-2014, 12:06 PM   #125
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I had to post that to make myself feel better. Just returned from my 4 day trip. Monday I was able to stick to a good DD of just over 400 calories, but then the rest of the week got away from me. So, this morning after 3 UDs in a row The scale is back up 4 pounds. I know it's gotta be water weight and undigested restaurant food and too much salt, etc. But it's still hard to see that number after I was on such a great downward roll. I'm going to have a great DD today and see just how forgiving JUDDD is for me this time! then I'll update my "weekly" either tomorrow or Monday.
It'll be off in no time. Just think of it as a diet break. good for your metabolism
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Old 03-28-2014, 09:44 PM   #126
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So of course, I wind up with an uuad today, and too full to exercise. I'll do it tomorrow, but I've been happy with UD exercise vs dd and seeing the scale move, and I hate doing anything to change what I *think* I have going here.

Anyway, plans for a good dd tomorrow and a controlled UD in wine county Sunday
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Old 03-31-2014, 05:09 AM   #127
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Old 03-31-2014, 09:33 AM   #128
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3/20 - UD -1.0
3/21 - DD +1.0
3/22 - UD -2.0
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3/24 - UD +1.5
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3/26 - UD -1.5
3/27 - MD +1.0 (frustration at the scale turned it into a MD)
3/28 - UD -1.0
3/29 - UD -1.5
3/30 - MD - DNW
3/31 - DD +3

3/22 Loss for the week: .5 lb. (partial week Tuesday-Saturday)
3/29 No loss. Was up .5 above my starting weight.

Discussed with DH all weekend. He's so patient!! I'm going to continue with JUDDD for another month and see what happens.

I know having almost three MD-UD's in a row wasn't good. I also think, much as I detest experimenting, to keep my DD's at 500, my UD's at 1500 and see what that does. Eating over 2000 cals on an UD at my age doesn't seem feasible even though that's what the calculator says. Plus, I've noticed when I eat higher DD's it seems I have a loss. And, I'm short.

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Old 03-31-2014, 09:41 AM   #129
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3/28 - After 3 UDs in a row. Not posting that today! Will update tomorrow or Monday.
3/31 +0.6 (so most of vacay wt gone. I'm good with that)

2/28 = Total lost so far is 10.0
3/4 = Total lost so far is 11.4
3/12 = Total lost so far is 11.8
3/19 = Total lost so far is 14.0
3/23 = Total lost so far is 16.0
3/31 = Total lost so far is 15.4

Thought I would post my end of the month progress. Can't help thinking if I would have stayed home and skipped the 4 day holiday last week, I would have lost more. The rest of this week will be very low DDs and then I'm off for another vacation.
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Old 03-31-2014, 01:08 PM   #130
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I have changed my exercise program from regular, flatland walking to a more hilly terrain. I still do pretty much the same amount -- about an hour per day total, most days per week. But this new route is very steep for the first 35 mins (then I turn around and walk back down). I also try to do some 30 sec to one minute real intense bursts, like running uphill for as long as I can, and then catch my breath while walking slowly uphill. This has really helped me with weight loss.
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Old 04-01-2014, 07:25 AM   #131
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3/31 - DD +3
4/01 - UD -3

3/22 Loss for the week: .5 lb. (partial week Tuesday-Saturday)
3/29 No loss. Was up .5 above my starting weight.

Now that's the kind of drop I like to see and not bad after the mish-mash of days over the weekend. Still not in any kind of "new" territory, though. But, it was a nice surprise to see it gone so quickly.

Since I'm weighing everyday, I think I'll begin April posting in the daily thread, but just post anything after a DD.

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Old 04-01-2014, 09:31 AM   #132
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Starting a new record for my restart today.
I'll be weighing in on Fridays, including this week even though it will only be 3 days in

4/1 204.4

I was attempting to eat maintenance calories for the last 10 days, but I guess I needed a true break because they turned into free days. Will not do that for future maintenance breaks.
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Old 04-01-2014, 10:28 AM   #134
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Old 04-02-2014, 02:53 AM   #138
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April's goal is to get below 160 and have real DD's.

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Old 04-02-2014, 07:54 AM   #139
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I'll still be weighing once a week, but I'm trying to eat like my trainer suggests for the next 2 weeks.
I started this on Sunday.
1250 cals/day 130g P, 100g C (eaten before 4pm), 36g F.
I can eat up to 1550 if I work out really hard.
Also doing 1 hour of very low-intensity cardio in a fasted state 4+ days a week plus additional dance classes and a 1 sprinting session a week.

I had my RMR measured on Saturday and he thinks since I'm close to goal, and have an average BF% already, daily cal restriction will work better for me than JUDDD. Even though JUDDD was slowly working for me, I'm giving it try anyway. Always up for an experiment! Mind if I still post in here? I'll be weighing on Saturday or Sunday.

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Old 04-02-2014, 09:55 AM   #142
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Welcome, Kathy! I post "approximately" once per week. lol. Sometimes it's 7 days, sometimes more, sometimes less. Whatever works for me.

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Yes, Green, please stay! Also - what was your RMR? I'm having this tested in a couple weeks.
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Yes, Green, please stay! Also - what was your RMR? I'm having this tested in a couple weeks.
Aw, yay! Thanks!

The test results said it was 1568 and that my weight loss zone is 1268 to 1568. Maintenance as 1568 to 2068.

It also showed my metabolism as being slightly above average. The trainer advised, since my metabolism is normal, to stick to 1268 and only eat up to 1568 if I work out intensely that day. He said if the results had shown a slow metabolism, he wouldn't suggest the deficit created at 1268.

This sort of trainer advised eating plan worked for me a few years ago (albeit I was at 127 trying to get down to 115, but probably at a similar BF%).

My worry, of course, is that I will lower my RMR by eating below it.

If I get to goal this way, I plan to reverse diet and then use TDEE or Some combo of DD/UD's to maintain.
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The test results said it was 1568 and that my weight loss zone is 1268 to 1568. Maintenance as 1568 to 2068.

It also showed my metabolism as being slightly above average. The trainer advised, since my metabolism is normal, to stick to 1268 and only eat up to 1568 if I work out intensely that day. ...

My worry, of course, is that I will lower my RMR by eating below it.

If I get to goal this way, I plan to reverse diet and then use TDEE or Some combo of DD/UD's to maintain.
Just so I'm clear because I'm a little confused. The test established your Resting Metabolic Rate - i.e., the minimum number of kcals you need per day to maintain your heart, liver, brain, body functions etc. etc.?

What multiplier was being used to give you a TDEE of 2068kcals? It looks like it was in the region of 1.3 x BMR/RMR whereas at your activity level, I'd have thought somewhere around 1.6 was more likely to be correct. So, I am

I assume it must be a terminology problem on my part because I don't understand why you're being advised to eat below your RMR/BMR and only eat your estimated RMR/BMR on the days that you exercise.

I'll forestall the rest of the comment as I have to assume that I don't understand something.
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4/4 201.2 Clearly not all fat after only 3 days, but I'll take it.
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Aw, yay! Thanks!

The test results said it was 1568 and that my weight loss zone is 1268 to 1568. Maintenance as 1568 to 2068.

It also showed my metabolism as being slightly above average. The trainer advised, since my metabolism is normal, to stick to 1268 and only eat up to 1568 if I work out intensely that day. He said if the results had shown a slow metabolism, he wouldn't suggest the deficit created at 1268.

This sort of trainer advised eating plan worked for me a few years ago (albeit I was at 127 trying to get down to 115, but probably at a similar BF%).

My worry, of course, is that I will lower my RMR by eating below it.

If I get to goal this way, I plan to reverse diet and then use TDEE or Some combo of DD/UD's to maintain.
Green, I'm not a trainer, but what your trainer is telling you is going against everything I've been reading. RMR is the calories you'd burn if you lie in bed all day. That's the one that you want to go under if you want to preserve your lean body mass (and you do! ). TDEE is maintenance. So the lowest you would want to go is 1568, and if you exercise intensely you'd want to add back those calories so you don't go under RMR, in my opinion. This is especially important if you're restricting every day vs. maintenance EOD as in JUDDD. And how will you possibly build any muscle on those calories? You can't! You'll be burning LBM. I think your weight loss zone would be 1568-1900ish or whatever your TDEE is.

Your metabolism seems in great shape! You don't want to lose that, you know?
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I'm glad Christina said that. It was what I was thinking when I read your post, Green, but wasn't quite able to formulate a comment as good as hers. Again, not a trainer, but it seems like trainers and weight loss "folks" seem to want to cause large deficits in order to get you fast scale results (so that you see them as valuable and keep using them) rather than focus on longer term goals.
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Old 04-04-2014, 10:43 AM   #150
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I have to agree with the other posters.

I was part of a challenge here on LCF several years ago. There was a group of us (not JUDDDers at the time) that were stalled. We decided to never eat below our BMR (I had been below for some time and not losing). I immediately started losing again and so did the others.

This time around I calculated my BMR (estimate of course, an average of several calculators found on the interwebz) over the course of the week. I have arranged my UDs and DDs to be just above that. I am losing, not super-speedily, but losing as long as I stick with the right numbers.

I would like to lose everything by tomorrow, but if it won't stay off and I damage my health in the meantime, what good has that done me?
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