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Old 01-17-2014, 05:51 AM   #1
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Would anybody approach the holidays differently?

Does anybody actually regret participating in the holidays by missing DDs, eating seasonal specialities etc.?

If you had it to do over again, knowing how you feel now, would you act differently?


Preamble, which I've decided to place below the questions.

We now have several threads that are variations on an interesting theme and have struck a chord with a number of posters. Anyone else having a hard time since the holidays? and I quoted a fair number of relevant comments in Refuse to Regain that I culled from Tired and Discouraged

In summary. "The sequence of holidays and their associated sweet celebrations or traditional foods has triggered a desire for carbs and sugar. Altho' this was manageable at the outset, my increased (?) and more regular intake of processed carbs and sugar is making me feel out of sorts or out of control to such a point that I have to curb my cravings for them if I'm to feel better and to be able to use JUDDD appropriately".

I think it's notable that this has happened after Thanksgiving through to New Year. I wonder if people reporting this are the ones for whom circumstances interfered with keeping regular DDs during that 4-6 week holiday period.

I speculate that this may be why Nancy's tagline is correct and will ultimately stand in stark contrast to some of the contemporary claims that you can 'eat what you want' on your UD:
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Old 01-17-2014, 06:02 AM   #2
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I continued to eat very low carb throughout my time on JUDDD, including the holidays because my body definitely cares what I feed it. However, I also found it rather easy to do rotations during the holidays, as my family dinners or other parties occurred as single events. I found that I actually wanted a DD the following day [my body seemed to be asking for it].

Since I've been maintaining, I don't do standard JUDDD, but I cycle my calories, and I've found the same situation during the holidays. Any day when I've had more calories than usual, I easily eat much less the next.

Even with low-carb eating, watching my calories is essential for managing my weight.

So to answer the original question--No, I wouldn't do anything different on holidays because what I've been doing for the past few years has worked well. I enjoy my holidays without weight gain.

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Old 01-17-2014, 06:12 AM   #3
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even tho i didn't gain thru the holidays, which is HUGE, the variety of foods i ate were not good, and i think i thru my body totally out of whack. as a do over, i would definitely reign in the sweets and carbs. i think i may be going thru a bit of physiological withdrawl.
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Interesting question SS. Last year (or should I say 2012) I strictly rotated through the holidays, giving myself 2 UDs in a row only at Thanksgiving and Christmas. And I lost 9 pounds. This past year I quit real DDs a few days before Christmas and didn't have another one until January 2nd. I haven't weighed yet this morning, but I can tell that I haven't lost many, if any, pounds. Other than the several I'm sure I gained during that time.

But I don't think I would change how I handled it. Mentally I needed that break and the freedom to just enjoy the treats and foods of the season. I'm well back on track now, so I'd say, it was worth it.
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I was Judding alone well before Christmas, alot of us were here, we had a purpose.
We knew post holidays food feast would be tricky...I did anyway. I knew the possibly of getting back offthe cookies would be tough... But they were tougher than I though.
No SS I would do the pre holidays the same. Totally enjoyed even saying cookie made by my family and friends just made me smile. You have me realizing the next holiday, Xmas I need to program myself for more post holiday plan success with Juddd.
Spring is coming, spring is coming! I'm looking out the window at our frozen water fountain this morning I the back yard.
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Nope.

Everything went fine and I enjoyed them immensely. I gained about two pounds from my low and it is taking a little while for it to come back off but it is coming off. Mentally, it's a good thing for me to know that I can take short diet breaks and then jump back on the WOE without any long term issues.

I'm still pretty new at this so if I lose a lot of weight this year, it may be different next year and I'll have to reevaluate then.
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I actually did fairly well over the holidays. I did not overdo on Christmas Eve and I enjoyed myself on Christmas Day. I did gain, but only a few pounds.
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Holidays, No! because they weren't too bad! Vacations, I'll have to reconsider, as those pounds that I packed are painstaking to get rid off! I think the moral of story for me is, little transgressions now and then are acceptable but for the prolonged ones I have to pay a dear price!
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I don't really think I would change my approach. I enjoyed indulging but now I need to get over it and get back on track. I can indulge again next December but only if I get these extra pounds off by then. LOL
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No- no regrets and I've actually enjoyed being back to EOD rather than 5:2.
Both have their perks, but no regrets about enjoying the holidays.
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Nope, because it wasn't the holidays that stalled my weight loss. It didn't jump start it either, but I was stalled long before Thanksgiving even. I think I'll continue to enjoy the holidays in the future, regardless of my weight.
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Slow Sure....I was wondering the same thing. Several seem to be having a very hard time after the holidays and I was wondering if they regretted them.

It doesn't sound like they did.

As Kissa says, it's not what you eat between thanksgiving and new year's, it's what you eat the rest of the year. The rest of the year is now here!

The friend we spend a lot of time with that comes for 6 weeks left yesterday. We have some fairly major dinner parties and outings when he is here. I tried having a low calorie day on the days we didn't eat with others, but they were definitely not EOD.

My holidays will normally be like that so I wouldn't change, but know I can't ever go overboard.

We are now off for 6 weeks. I'll have some internet over the weekend, but very little after that.

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Nope.

Everything went fine and I enjoyed them immensely. I gained about two pounds from my low and it is taking a little while for it to come back off but it is coming off. Mentally, it's a good thing for me to know that I can take short diet breaks and then jump back on the WOE without any long term issues.

I'm still pretty new at this so if I lose a lot of weight this year, it may be different next year and I'll have to reevaluate then.
Frosty, you don't HAVE a lot to lose. Isn't it funny how our perspectives and self-perceptions affect how we see others?
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Nope, not here, either. I enjoyed being able to eat with my friends and enjoying their company. I've regretted other things but not this...
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Last holiday season between October and December I gained about 26 pounds, and paid no attention to how I was eating. I was a year and a half into my whole weight loss process and I'm not sure what was going on, but I either needed a break or was trying to figure out what I was doing this for and what my goals were and if I reached them, then what?

Kinda just lost my way. Then Jan 15th came around and I said what the heck am I doing and I jumped right back into it and really hit the gym hard and consistently and did everything spot on for diet, primal then. And reached a plateau right about where I was before October and just couldn't get it to move.

That's when I found JUDDD, jumped into it, adapted, adjusted for my activity level and it is what got me down to my goal and on down another 10 pounds to my unknown goal.

So this holiday I was pretty determined to not "fall off the wagon" but to not turn down opportunities to socialize. So I had one completely ridiculous Thanksgiving where I ate 8 different slices of pie over 2 meals, plus dinners. Gained 5-6 pounds, and I've been working that off through Christmas and to today.

But I never stopped exercising and I've been eating to my plan (LC) since Thanksgiving. And I really don't think I've been restrictive and I haven't felt deprived. Looking back to last Christmas where I ate everything to excess it didn't bring me any happiness and I don't recall enjoying it that much. I remember thinking that every next thing I ate should have tasted better, or did something for me but it really just left me feeling empty and looking for something else that could satisfy me. Eating this holiday season, eating things that fit my WOE and fueled my exercise and progress, definitely added an element of joy to my holiday season. Best gift I could have given myself!

And now a year later from the 15th of last year I'm near my lowest weight, which I hit around October and I'm probably 3% less body fat than last year with nothing but good progress planned for the rest of this year.

Looking forward to many good things this year.
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Um, about forty pounds, not counting the 10 I already dropped. That would be ideal. Even another 25 would be great and would put me back in the a bunch of my clothes that are boxed up currently.

As for holidays, I once did a strict zero carb through Thanksgiving and Christmas. I felt so deprived from that that I went off the deep end the next year and ate constantly through the month of December and gained 20 pounds that month (which I still have).

With JUDDD, I know I can have whatever I want on an UD and it made it a lot easier to not go crazy.
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I think it's an interesting topic. Dr Berkeley takes an uncompromising approach (but, bear in mind that she frequently reiterates that readers should take what is useful to them and disregard the remainder).

Berkeley suggests that this is not a time to trust yourself to show that moderation that has failed to materialise during the previous part of your life. In some places, she advises people to consider giving up any participation in cooking or baking for holidays, leaving that to younger generations (I think she has people who are at least in their 50s or who have adult children in mind).

Apart from that, she advocates constant vigilance and a 'refuse to regain' mindset.
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Here is the most important advice I can give you for the next five weeks: don't gain weight.
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Her advice is eminently sensible and grounded in her extensive experience. Part of me finds it a tad cheerless and I think it might be almost impossible to implement for people with young children or from families with lots of food-centered holiday traditions.

I don't deny that she she has experience to underpin her observations tho' - and it's probably one of those things that it's best to categorise as a known risk that has to be handled as best fits people and their lifestyles/environments.

Even typing this, I have a nagging sense that I would think that would be a cavalier way to approach sobriety or diabetes, and I don't quite understand this attitude in myself but I'm not what Berkeley would categorise as a POW (someone with a previously lifelong history of overweight/obesity).
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I AM a POW, so her advice resonates with me--and is something I've already embraced. I know in my heart that I'm one brownie away from 300 lbs, so I try to deal with food much as an alcoholic would with sobriety.

Perhaps because I'm in my 'senior' years, it's relatively easy for me to avoid food involvement, but I've also discovered that my holidays are neither dismal nor cheerless for avoiding the sugary 'treats.' In fact, in focusing on relationships and spending time with friends and loved ones, I think I appreciate the holidays more.

What I've discovered over the last few years is that I have NO regrets over any food that I didn't eat--in fact, although I faced some serious 'temptations,' I no longer even remember what they were.

Food is like exercise for me. I am often reluctant to go to the gym, but I never regret going. I only regret when I give into the impulse to stay home and skip my regular session. It's the same with food. I have no regrets about resisting temptations.
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Um, about forty pounds, not counting the 10 I already dropped. That would be ideal. Even another 25 would be great and would put me back in the a bunch of my clothes that are boxed up currently.

As for holidays, I once did a strict zero carb through Thanksgiving and Christmas. I felt so deprived from that that I went off the deep end the next year and ate constantly through the month of December and gained 20 pounds that month (which I still have).

With JUDDD, I know I can have whatever I want on an UD and it made it a lot easier to not go crazy.
I was more laughing at myself and my own perception of what a "lot" is. I'm a bit weird that way and hope you didn't think I was minimizing your journey. I simply have no doubt you'll get to your goal (and maybe beyond). I remember when 40 pounds sounded like a lot to me too, and then I gained more!
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I think it's an interesting topic. Dr Berkeley takes an uncompromising approach (but, bear in mind that she frequently reiterates that readers should take what is useful to them and disregard the remainder).

Berkeley suggests that this is not a time to trust yourself to show that moderation that has failed to materialise during the previous part of your life. In some places, she advises people to consider giving up any participation in cooking or baking for holidays, leaving that to younger generations (I think she has people who are at least in their 50s or who have adult children in mind).

Apart from that, she advocates constant vigilance and a 'refuse to regain' mindset.
While I said that I wouldn't do anything differently, I also did not go hog wild over the holidays, as I might have done before attempting to lose weight. I did have some multiple UDs, and I also enjoyed some sweets more than I usually consume, but I didn't have continuous opportunities to indulge either. We ended work early this year because of some maintenance that had to take place (asbestos removal), so there were no prolonged days of tempting foods being brought in, and I am somewhat removed from my family and only saw them once over the holidays--and one large meal. Most of the diet breaks I gave myself were just that--breaks from DDs. I enjoyed it, and I played it by ear. I don't know if I would do that this year, or if I would feel like keeping my routine more intact, but either way, it wasn't the straw that broke the camel's back.
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I think it's an interesting topic. Dr Berkeley takes an uncompromising approach (but, bear in mind that she frequently reiterates that readers should take what is useful to them and disregard the remainder).

Berkeley suggests that this is not a time to trust yourself to show that moderation that has failed to materialise during the previous part of your life. In some places, she advises people to consider giving up any participation in cooking or baking for holidays, leaving that to younger generations (I think she has people who are at least in their 50s or who have adult children in mind).

Apart from that, she advocates constant vigilance and a 'refuse to regain' mindset.


Her advice is eminently sensible and grounded in her extensive experience. Part of me finds it a tad cheerless and I think it might be almost impossible to implement for people with young children or from families with lots of food-centered holiday traditions.

I don't deny that she she has experience to underpin her observations tho' - and it's probably one of those things that it's best to categorise as a known risk that has to be handled as best fits people and their lifestyles/environments.

Even typing this, I have a nagging sense that I would think that would be a cavalier way to approach sobriety or diabetes, and I don't quite understand this attitude in myself but I'm not what Berkeley would categorise as a POW (someone with a previously lifelong history of overweight/obesity).
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I was more laughing at myself and my own perception of what a "lot" is. I'm a bit weird that way and hope you didn't think I was minimizing your journey. I simply have no doubt you'll get to your goal (and maybe beyond). I remember when 40 pounds sounded like a lot to me too, and then I gained more!
No worries. I know that compared to a lot of people, it isn't a lot. It is still plenty hard for me and my body seems to really want to hold on to it.
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I think just like everything else, we have to know ourselves and what our limits are. I've done it both ways now, during my two holiday seasons on JUDDD, and wouldn't change either of them.

Now that I'm closer to goal, and also have been actively losing for almost 2 years, I think I was ready to back off and relax a little more this year. Plus, my allowable UD calories are several hundred less now than they were last time, so that made it tougher to comply day by day. For my family, the entire season is filled with our traditional treats, and I just wanted to partake this year. Last year, losing faster was more important to me. I love how we can adjust.

But I must say, I now feel much more relaxed about a few extra pounds gained during December. I know how to get them back off, and I don't have to stress (too much) about it.
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I wouldn't change a thing. I love all the wonderful Xmas and New Year traditions, many of which are food related.

There are another 11 months for me to follow the 'rules'. Of course I know that I am lucky, being in maintenance.
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I don't plan to change anything next year. I did 5/2 maintenance for Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years and my birthday which is a few days after NYE. I was happy with the gain of only a few pounds.

I would like to try to do more of a maintenace week during our vacations, too. But, so far that hasn't happened. I go into it with good intentions. But, in 2013 I went on two different all inclusive tropical vacations. For one of them that even included a cabana boy who would bring you frozen cocktails to your tiki hut on the beach. Yeah, I might have drank more calories than I ate that week!! But, it was definitely a new, first time experience and I believe in celebrating life when given such oppurtunities.

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These days I am thinking more and more about how short life is, and I agree that celebrating is important, nay essential!
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These days I am thinking more and more about how short life is, and I agree that celebrating is important, nay essential!
Yes. Agree on the fleeting nature of life and the moments that make it thrum with friendship and joy.

I wonder if it depends on how many celebration opportunities someone has? I knew a woman who marked up her calendar with the equivalent of her off-plan days. She had so many friends and family that it was a quiet week if there were only 2 celebrations so she picked one of the events every 2 weeks as the one where she would eat outside her WOE guidelines.

There's comes a certain time when we've all had birthday cake, baptism cake, wedding dinners - and it would be unusual for us not to already know what they taste like.

A tropical island with lots of fresh fish, beautiful scenery and amazing kayaking opportunities - that would be a complete novel experience that I hope that I would enjoy to the full.

Berkeley says something to the effect that her enjoyment of life comes from knowing that she is the size she has selected and that she is fit enough to follow pursuits that add so much to her enjoyment of life.
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Old 01-20-2014, 01:56 AM   #29
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I AM a POW, so her advice resonates with me--and is something I've already embraced. I know in my heart that I'm one brownie away from 300 lbs, so I try to deal with food much as an alcoholic would with sobriety....
What I've discovered over the last few years is that I have NO regrets over any food that I didn't eat--in fact, although I faced some serious 'temptations,' I no longer even remember what they were.

...It's the same with food. I have no regrets about resisting temptations.
I admire that level of self-discipline, self-awareness and resolution.

From your posts, and those of other POW maintainers, it does feel as if keeping food sobriety is essential when people are living with the sensation of being
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or the probability of T2 diabetes and its common complications at higher body weights.

It will be interesting for me to track whether I have attitude shifts during my maintenance.

As ever, I learn from reading your posts. Thank you.
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Interesting discussion point.

I stayed (mostly) on plan during the holidays, although it was not an every other day plan. I don't have any regrets for treats I was missing, because I made sure to still have plenty of treats.

And the pounds I went up by, came off quickly once I resumed JUDDDing.

I think it was the perfect balance for me, of indulgence and restraint. I love that I was even ABLE to do this this year. JUDDD has really increased my willpower.

Already looking forward to a planned feast at St. Valentine's Day, and then being able to get right back to it afterwards.
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