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Old 03-12-2014, 05:57 AM   #121
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I maintained for about 6 years, then managed to get derailed and put it all back on . I’m really keen not to do that again!
I'm beginning to think hormonal fluctuations in peri-menopause and menopause are under-appreciated in the vastness of their derailing and their general consequences (sleep, motivation etc.).
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The motivation part was the problem for me. Any time I managed to stick to LC or any other diet for a few days I lost weight, but I was too tired and depressed to deal with meal planning, making good choices & all that. Also, whenever I was in weight loss mode I felt even worse. It seemed better to give in and gain some weight than to be even more exhausted and despairing.
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here's a thought...i've noticed through reading past posts, that a lot of "us" find that our UD calories are never quite enough. it almost sounds like the upswing/downswing of calories contributes to a binge feeling. yes, we control it, but still, that is a hard way to live. it is hard for me, day in and day out. when i lost, i could plow through it, with the end result in mind, getting high on losses.

the other night, after watching one of those 600 lb. losers kill herself with her knife and fork, i panicked over whether or not i could maintain my loss. i then decided maybe i just need to go to a stable daily caloric plan for maintenance, to see if i could get these emotions/feelings under control. unlike many of you, i've never felt great on down days and free on up days. down days have always been a drag, and up days have always been never-quite-enough.

so, yesterday, i began my quest to see where my metabolism lies, and then i want to do a bit of reverse dieting, increasing my calories as slowsure recommends. juddd has been a miracle for me to lose weight, but for maintenance i'm thinking i may need to do something different, for my mental well being.
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The motivation part was the problem for me. Any time I managed to stick to LC or any other diet for a few days I lost weight, but I was too tired and depressed to deal with meal planning, making good choices & all that. Also, whenever I was in weight loss mode I felt even worse. It seemed better to give in and gain some weight than to be even more exhausted and despairing.
Motivation is everything to me! I'm always seeking the motivation to carry on now that I don't hate myself since I lost the weight. But I often find myself bingeing to gain a few pounds so I'll hate myself enough to try again. It's a strange little game I play.
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My motivation issues were specifically related to menopause and depression. Different demons for each of us!
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I am maintaining on fast 5. I eat between 5 and 10 usually, sometimes a bit longer, sometimes a bit shorter...suits me well!
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Old 03-13-2014, 04:43 PM   #128
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I am maintaining on fast 5. I eat between 5 and 10 usually, sometimes a bit longer, sometimes a bit shorter...suits me well!
I'm seriously considering a month long trial of Fast 5 (or less 6-10 maybe), but I'm pretty sure I will gain since I frequently do this pattern on UD already and now I have 2 DDs as well.

I'll see how my sleep is now that TOM is almost though.

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Hi Joedi! I was just wondering about you the other day. Sorry for the thread hijack, but I read an old post where you talked about controlling sugar and mentioned having m&m's at bedtime. You saved the sugar til the end of the day so as not to overeat it. Am I remembering correctly? How are you and sugar getting along these days?
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Could you all please tell us what DD & UD calories you are using now? Have you changed these amount since you lost all your weight?

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I don’t count, and I didn’t while I was losing weight either. My down days are around 500. I don’t have any idea for up days.
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Could you all please tell us what DD & UD calories you are using now? Have you changed these amount since you lost all your weight?

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I don't count UDs, but I'd guess they range between 1,400-1,700. DD are under 250.
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Mine vary greatly depending on whether I'm doing EOD, 5:2, or something else. My UDs are higher than the calculator which gives me about 1750. If I'm doing 5:2, my UDs are around 2000, and if I'm doing EOD, they're between 2000-3000. DDs are usually 300-600.

I obviously get a lot fewer calories now than I did at nearly 300 pounds.
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I'm here to say that I need to check in more frequently. This is my second week doing 5:2, and I'm just a little bit too free on my UDs. I've been eating anything and everything I want to and that just isn't going to work!
My UDs are probably between 2000 and 2500. My DD are fine - around 200. That's because I go to bed bloated and overstuffed and can't wait to give my tummy a rest!

I don't want to count calories - but I may need to... weight was 134 when I started 5:2, this week it's 136
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I find that I have to think of “up” days as being just normal when I’m eating most days. When I do alternate days, I need to make sure I eat enough but not too much. With only one or two down days per week, I need a slightly different attitude.

Here’s the recent section of my graph. Definitely levelling out now. The app insists on drawing lines. The green line is at 115-ish.

January was every other day, Feb was 5:2 and March 6:1.


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I find that I have to think of “up” days as being just normal when I’m eating most days. When I do alternate days, I need to make sure I eat enough but not too much. With only one or two down days per week, I need a slightly different attitude.

Here’s the recent section of my graph. Definitely levelling out now. The app insists on drawing lines. The green line is at 115-ish.

January was every other day, Feb was 5:2 and March 6:1.

What would you estimate your calories to be doing 6:1? By the graph it looks like you've achieved a real balance and staying mostly below 115. Are you finding greater overall control with 6:1?
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I really don’t know what my up day calories are. They certainly vary quite a lot. Years ago when I counted my calories while doing LC, they varied between 800 and 2000. I think one of my problems is that when I’m eating with my husband I eat more. It’s a lot easier when he’s fasting every other day .

I’m not finding it difficult, but the other ratios weren’t hard for me either.
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I find that I have to think of “up” days as being just normal when I’m eating most days. When I do alternate days, I need to make sure I eat enough but not too much. With only one or two down days per week, I need a slightly different attitude.

Here’s the recent section of my graph. Definitely levelling out now. The app insists on drawing lines. The green line is at 115-ish.
I do 5:2 and many of my UDs are really just normal days. I do M and W as DD and the only real UD I have is Tuesday usually- maybe Thursdays. I don't count on UDs at all, but I don't always make certain to eat up to my 1550 range on a Friday, because I know it will balance out if I eat out on a Saturday or Sunday. 5:2 is very relaxed for me. I don't however lose at all on 5:2 and I know I have a big calorie deficit, so that doesn't make much sense.
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Still eating whatever I want on my UDs, no logging. I just can't be logging my food the rest of my life - at some point I need to feel normal...
But it seems to have worked out ok this week. I think if I reign in my eating on UDs, I'll have to go 6:1.
I mainly need to be careful about my food choices - don't need to be eating junk!
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Just following along with interest. I'm still not really sure what I'm doing. I found myself creeping a bit up to the high 120s this winter and decided I wanted to maintain in the low 20s. I've done that by sticking with EOD rotations and back to low DDs. However, I don't really count my UD cals like I did in WLM. I am a bit surprised to not still be losing this way, but must be eating on the high side for UDs. <shrug>

I have pretty large bounces still between UD/DDs, so I can't imagine maintaining (or gasp, losing? Kudos to those of you who can!) with 5:2. Certainly not with 6:1! wow! At any rate, with Alzheimer's in my family, I think I want to stick with EOD eating as a precaution anyhoo.
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Could you all please tell us what DD & UD calories you are using now? Have you changed these amount since you lost all your weight?
I reverse dieted to increase my kcal/food intake after reaching my target weight. I was eating 340kcals DD and approx 1500kcal UDs when I was in WLM - now, I have a range of 500-850kcals on DDs and 1300-1800kcals for MD-UDs. (I pick within the range depending on what I'm doing on a DD, MD or UD as I kayak regularly and we have to abide by eating recommendations on days when there's a risk of hypothermia.)

I'm looking to push my averaged daily kcal/food intake to approx. 1750kcals per day or more to ensure that I can have an appropriate range of nutrients. I'm still reverse dieting but it's progressing very slowly because I can't add back in more carbs or much protein without jeopardising the migraine protocol.
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I'm back to looking at other maintenance plans. Sheesh, I can't seem to stick to one thing for very long these days. I just ran my TDEE and BMR calculations again, and I'm thinking I want to try eating at or near TDEE, and not below BMR daily for a while and see how that works out. All this talk of reverse dieting, muscle wasting, danger of fasting, health benefits of fasting, etc., etc., etc., has my head spinning.

My bounces have been crazy lately and I really just want to sort of settle into something less stressful for a while. According to the Scooby site, my BMR is 1391 and TDEE is 1669 (sedentary setting). I think I'll try to eat above BMR, and around or below TDEE, with maybe one "high" day and one "low" day per week. I may also incorporate a 10 hour window and see how satisfied I feel. When I make good choices, 1600 calories is plenty. It's only when I add cocktails and desserts that it goes quite a bit over. I'm aiming for 75-125 grams of protein per day.

I am a bit worried though, that after all my dieting and my big loss, perhaps the calculator is not accurate "for me." I'd like to get it all sorted before June when we're going to be on vacation for a week. I'd love to be firmly entrenched in a maintenance plan where I don't have to think so much or plan everything out. I'm hoping if I make the eating window a habit, even if I eat a bit higher on vacation, it won't totally derail my maintenance.
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I'm back to looking at other maintenance plans. Sheesh, I can't seem to stick to one thing for very long these days. I just ran my TDEE and BMR calculations again, and I'm thinking I want to try eating at or near TDEE, and not below BMR daily for a while and see how that works out. All this talk of reverse dieting, muscle wasting, danger of fasting, health benefits of fasting, etc., etc., etc., has my head spinning.

My bounces have been crazy lately and I really just want to sort of settle into something less stressful for a while. According to the Scooby site, my BMR is 1391 and TDEE is 1669 (sedentary setting). I think I'll try to eat above BMR, and around or below TDEE, with maybe one "high" day and one "low" day per week. I may also incorporate a 10 hour window and see how satisfied I feel. When I make good choices, 1600 calories is plenty. It's only when I add cocktails and desserts that it goes quite a bit over. I'm aiming for 75-125 grams of protein per day.
I've read some of your posts about being sick of thinking about food, what to eat, how to eat, etc. You took the words right out of my mouth! I've been in maintenance for about 18 months and I'm tried of obsessing about food every.single.day I like the plan you've laid out above. It seems that it would be pretty simple to follow and I'm going to give it a shot as well. I just wanted you to know that you're not alone in your feelings
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Thanks, LIG. It does help to know I'm not the only one, but it sucks that you're feeling it too. So far I'm doing okay with the new plan. The window might go out the window, ha! I skipped breakfast yesterday with no problem, but today I was STARVING at 9:00, so I caved at 9:30 and had an apple and some yogurt. I'm maintaining a little higher than I prefer, but haven't bounced up much since starting this. I'm hoping to level off, then maybe drop a few pounds back to my comfort range. Good luck to both of us!
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It’s not quite the end of March, but here’s my graph after four weeks on 6:1. For the last two weeks our kitchen has been out of action and we’ve eaten out more or less every other day, so I was very pleased not to go up noticeably!



8st 3 is 115 lb, so I’ve been pretty much between 113 and 115. I’m going to go back to 5:2 for a while now: partly because 8st (112) is so close and I’d just like to see it again, and also because social stuff is picking up, so I probably need to do a bit more to compensate for it.
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That is fantastic!!!! I'd love to see 112, but I don't think there is anyway that would be possible for me. I easily have 7 pounds of lose skin, so I would need to be so thin to see that number, but boy it would make me happy!
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I'd love to see 112, but I don't think there is anyway that would be possible for me. I easily have 7 pounds of lose skin, so I would need to be so thin to see that number, but boy it would make me happy!
It's odd, isn't it, the power that numbers have.

I was looking for something to wear and I caught myself thinking that I wouldn't care if my weight were 130lbs if the additional 14lbs were not only LBM but mostly skeletal muscle. Even better if I could swap some of my body fat out and transform that into an additional approx. 20lbs of muscle. Oddly tho', that would probably make me measure less than I currently do (muscle being denser than fat).

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I know numbers are weird. We went shopping today at the outlets. Crazy vanity sizing. Rediculous. All the items I got were 2 or 0. Ridiculous. It's rediculous, because they have 00. Therefore, I'm a 4, which I will agree to. The olden day 4s are way smaller than today's 4s. I picked up lots of size 4s and I kept saying these are really big 4s. DW was like OK, whatever. She is a lovely size 20 so I get it. Any 4 looks small. I've been there, too.
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At my teeny-tiniest in 1990, I was 106 pounds at 5'9" and wore size 4. I can get into some of today's size 4s at 145-150 (though I'm mainly in 6s, but even have some 10s that fit!). That's a pretty good illustration of the change in sizes I think.
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