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Old 03-01-2014, 06:18 AM   #91
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since JUDDD consists of 7 up days and 7 down days in a two week period, i'm going to do 8 up days, with 6 down days within a two week period; then move to 9 up days, with 5 down days; then 10 up days, with 4 down days; then if i'm super lucky 11 up days/3 down days (that ain't gonna happen! though i can dream, can't i?...
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i still would love to lose 10 more pounds, but at 52 my face is starting to show some lines. that's going to be what stops me, i'm afraid. not that i'm vain or anything. lol
We all have our own ways of identifying our goal weight and face lines strike me as good as any

I like my fixed days but I can also see the sense of what you're doing and shall watch your experiment with this with keen interest.
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MrsAndi- how long are you going to give the 5:2 before deciding if it works for you? I am almost to the point where I will be switching to 4;3, and I was thinking I would check my averages after a month. But that's just a guess on my part.
I'm giving it a month. It's been a while and I've been maintaining around 133 so it is working great for me.
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Old 03-01-2014, 06:57 AM   #93
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I'm officially joining this thread!
I'll be on 5:2 along Ailuros and MrsAndi and any others.

For some crazy reason I was down over a pound today after my last 4:3 DD. So we'll see how the 5:2 goes. I'm at the point where if I keep losing I'll be getting the scrawny look and who wants that? Like you MrsAndi, I'm 51, so I know what you mean.

I'll give it 2 weeks, and then move to 6:1 if I need to. I can't imagine losing on 5:2 though.
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I’m 52, so there are a few of us at a similar age. I don’t think I’m close to scrawny though.
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Iím 52, so there are a few of us at a similar age. I donít think Iím close to scrawny though.
Well, me neither, actually
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Old 03-01-2014, 09:33 AM   #96
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Still maintaining with a mixture of EOD/5:2 or whatever feels right at the moment.
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Still maintaining with a mixture of EOD/5:2 or whatever feels right at the moment.
Thatís what I plan to do later on ó adjust the number of days as required. Iím just taking advantage of a quiet spell now to experiment, so Iíll have an idea of where my break-even is. Of course, adding in more social events will mean calories are higher on the up days, so Iíll probably need more down days to compensate, but still, I think It will help to have the information. I already know that eating whatever I want every single day doesnít work .
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He's written a very relevant post that may be helpful to a few people considering maintenance plans (I'll also put this in a couple of other threads). He discusses a paper for which Layne Norton is one of the authors (and I've mentioned him before on the theme of metabolic adaptation and reverse dieting).

Blogpost title: Losing Weight Doesn't Have to Ruin Your Metabolism: No Unexpected Reduction in Energy Expenditure With Sane Weight Loss. Plus: 9 Simple Rules Every Dieter Must Follow

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I have no memory. Every time I weigh myself, I want the number to be smaller, and am convinced it never changes.

So, to remind myself that it does change, Iím posting my graph from my month on 5:2.



For the non-UK people, 8st3 is 115, 8st8 is 120.

The big lump in the middle was when I had a cold.
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I love graphs! Thanks for posting. Yay for downward trends! And on maintenance, too. very interesting. This is what I am hoping will happen with me.
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Still maintaining with a mixture of EOD/5:2 or whatever feels right at the moment.
Playing around with ideas again. I'm thinking about following Laurie's lead and going back to EOD at 600 calories then whatever I want on UDs. I think I'm getting a little fatigued with counting every morsel, every day. I can work out a pretty set menu for DDs and I'm pretty consistent with UD breakfast and lunch, but dinners sometimes get me in trouble.
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I will be so interested to see if this works for you, Dawn. I've always fantasized that Laurie's technique can work for me once I get to goal, and if you can make it work too, I'll have even more hope!

Will this aggravate your chilblains though? I sure hope not!
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Old 03-04-2014, 02:26 PM   #103
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600 seems to be pretty good for my chilblains, at least with 5:2. I'm hoping it'll be okay with EOD. I'm also kicking around trying out MWF at 600 and eating whatever the other 4 days, but trying to concentrate on more fresh produce. One of these days, I'll figure it all out.

I've been overeating lately, and not making the best choices. I'm kind of hoping giving myself MORE leeway will lead to better decisions, but I'm not really sure that's logical.
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Still maintaining with a mixture of EOD/5:2 or whatever feels right at the moment.
This is what I do any combo of EOD, 4:3 or 5:2.
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I’ve only had one down day in the last 7 days (Monday) and saw a new low this morning — not by much, but still, to get a new low, after an up day, at least reassures me that I’m not going to undo all my good work so far!

113.5 this morning. Down 0.3 from the previous low 8 days ago.
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Iíve only had one down day in the last 7 days (Monday) and saw a new low this morning ó not by much, but still, to get a new low, after an up day, at least reassures me that Iím not going to undo all my good work so far!

113.5 this morning. Down 0.3 from the previous low 8 days ago.
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Iíve only had one down day in the last 7 days (Monday) and saw a new low this morning ó not by much, but still, to get a new low, after an up day, at least reassures me that Iím not going to undo all my good work so far!

113.5 this morning. Down 0.3 from the previous low 8 days ago.
That's very encouraging!
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Holy cow, Ailuros! How do you do that?????
I really donít know! I mean there are people who stay slim without ever worrying about what they eat, but if I were one of them, I wouldnít be here!

Iím not counting anything, and Iím trying to feel my way to eating a sensible amount. Enough to be satisfied, but not everything in sight. When I was doing alternate days, I had to make sure I was definitely eating enough to not be hungry on up days. Now I donít really need to worry about that. I can allow natural day to day fluctuations. It feels a bit fragile for now!

With normal day to day weight variations, itíll be a while before I can really tell how this is going.
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doesn't it make a difference, too, how much one's lost? the more you've lost, the harder your body fights to regain the weight.
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I’m sure that is a factor. I don’t know if it’s to do with how much you’ve lost, or if it’s just that the reason someone had a lot to lose is that they gain very easily. I’m about 30lb below my highest weight, and I’ve been a “normal” weight for a large part of my adult life, so it’s easier for me than for a lot of people.
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The 6:1 ratio looks as if it’s pretty much holding steady. The numbers range from 113.4 to 115.3, so it’ll take longer than two weeks to really see any underlying trend, but the max and min were both 0.1 less than last week, and the weekly average is down a smidgen too, so it’s looking promising as a maintenance regimen.

I’ll carry on with 6:1 for the rest of March to get a clearer view of how it’s going, then decide whether to stick with it, or go back to 5:2 for a few weeks to get a couple of pounds in hand before the holiday season (and see the magic 112 ).
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go back to 5:2 for a few weeks to get a couple of pounds in hand before the holiday season (and see the magic 112 ).
For the US or metric people who are by the magic properties of 112lbs it's 8 stones* in the UK terminology and firmly puts you into the pixie-size category aka "Slim as a reed".

*NB: I know that this has been discussed in other threads but for those that missed it, 1 stone = 14lbs

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The 6:1 ratio looks as if itís pretty much holding steady. The numbers range from 113.4 to 115.3, so itíll take longer than two weeks to really see any underlying trend, but the max and min were both 0.1 less than last week, and the weekly average is down a smidgen too, so itís looking promising as a maintenance regimen.

Iíll carry on with 6:1 for the rest of March to get a clearer view of how itís going, then decide whether to stick with it, or go back to 5:2 for a few weeks to get a couple of pounds in hand before the holiday season (and see the magic 112 ).
I may try 6:1 at some point. I like 5:2 a lot, but had some issues the last 2 weeks on DDs. Of course TOM came yesterday (late) and PMS may have been the culprit for at least most of those tough days.
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I'm continuing with 4:3 while trying to make my mind up as to whether I'm going to alter my target weight range to reduce my body fat further. I'm currently still losing body fat and I'm not in a tearing hurry to lose it quickly so don't feel a need to enter active WLM or move to ADF.

One of the things that I'm trying to puzzle through is whether I need to change the macronutrient ratios of my food. I have such a small amount of muscle mass (DXA scan report) that I'd probably be well-advised to keep to a lowish carbohydrate intake so that the muscles and liver aren't always so full of glycogen that any excess glucose has to be deposited as intra-muscular fat or similar. Similarly, with quite a high fat store, it's too easy to store dietary fat in unhelpful ways. Which leaves protein - although I don't have that much muscle to maintain so I'd probably be advised that I don't need much...

Maintenance, eh. Tho' it feels better than the obvious option (regain).
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It's really encouraging to me to see the seasoned veterans continuing to tweak maintenance. It never stops, does it?
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For the US or metric people who are by the magic properties of 112lbs it's 8 stones* in the UK terminology and firmly puts you into the pixie-size category aka "Slim as a reed".

*NB: I know that this has been discussed in other threads but for those that missed it, 1 stone = 14lbs
When I went up to 8st in my 20s people started warning me about putting on too much weight!
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It's really encouraging to me to see the seasoned veterans continuing to tweak maintenance. It never stops, does it?
I maintained for about 6 years, then managed to get derailed and put it all back on . Iím really keen not to do that again!
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