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Old 01-03-2014, 11:56 AM   #1
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Restarting - Menu Ideas?

I'm restarting Monday. My calories will be about 494/2468.

I would like to stay low carb if possible. Low carb to ME is about 20 grams per day. Is that too low? Although, I don't know exactly how to count carbs and calories at the same time.

I would like some menu ideas also. It's been a long time since I've been on a low carb plan so any ideas would be appreciated.

I would like to eat a variety of foods so I don't get bored.
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Old 01-03-2014, 12:47 PM   #2
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Or should I just not worry about counting carbs and eliminate bread, pasta, rice, starchy vegetables and sugar?
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Old 01-03-2014, 01:28 PM   #3
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Hey Karen! I'm LCing it to for a bit to start the year, and I'll be counting both calories and carbs each day. I use my free online calorie tracker to do it - can't name it here, but there are tons that do the same thing.

I'm having to shift my brain back to LC too, and I'm feeling just a tad out of my element. It's been over a year since I tried to really restrict carbs down to these levels. I'm going to try to keep most UDs under 50g, but I'd really prefer to keep them in the 20g area. I realized today that my planned dinner of chili has more carbs than I remembered. No beans, but there are a bunch in the tomatoes and sauce I use. I'm okay with that - those are not so bad carbs, IMO.

I'm going to be eating a lot of fish, meat, eggs, cheese and butter. I'll also be allowing myself non-starchy veggies - I love roasted veggies in the winter! DDs will be tougher, although I love to have coffee/HWC for breakfast/lunch and then HB eggs or bacon for dinner. I'm allowing 500 calorie DDs, since it will be predominantly fat & protein, and there is speculation that more calories can be allowed when VLC. I'll be the guinea pig for myself on that one.

I'll be interested in what you come up with, and what other responses you get. Good luck!
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Old 01-03-2014, 03:27 PM   #4
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Just a note from a newbie. I've been eating low carb for many years and have continued to do so on this plan as well for the last month. I found that if I ate very low carb for dinner on my up days the down days were much much easier. So, I try to eat my higher carb veggies and other low carb goodies like nuts or pasta sauce earlier in the day on those up days but stick with a fairly simple high calorie meal of meat and low carb veggies that night.

On DDs I'm managing to stay low carb with the usual eggs, tuna, broth, salad and yogurt (and a little cream in my coffee, of course.) Once I realized that higher carb up day dinners were making me crazy on down days it all became a lot easier.

I wish you good luck. I couldn't do this program with the higher carb menus that some people are lucky enough to be able to eat. But I have big (BIG!) issues with appetite control.
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Old 01-03-2014, 03:37 PM   #5
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i can't wait to hear if the LC means you can get away with more calories. i am thinking i need to cut carbs a bit, but let's face it, less carbs equals more calories, so i am at a bit of a loss.
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Old 01-03-2014, 04:43 PM   #6
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I don't know, Colleen. Most of the LCer's doing JUDDD often have to struggle to get to their UD numbers. The satiety of LC food seems to keep them from overeating, I think. Really, processed food seems to have the most calories of anything--which is what I love (candy, cookies, chips, etc.), and usually makes it difficult to eat within my calorie limits--not to mention the over-eating trigger!
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i can't wait to hear if the LC means you can get away with more calories. i am thinking i need to cut carbs a bit, but let's face it, less carbs equals more calories, so i am at a bit of a loss.
Less carbs does not mean more calories. It really depends on the choices you make. Chicken breast, fish, eggs, lettuce, zucchini, etc. Lots of lower calorie /low to no carb options. Now you probably don't want to do a DD on prime rib and veggies drenched in butter, but it's definitely doable on an UD. Trust me, I've done it, even WITH bread and potatoes.
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Old 01-03-2014, 04:51 PM   #8
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I really can't think of anything carby that works on DDs that's *less* caloric. I tend to eat meat (chicken breast, tuna, turkey) and vegs. Anything like bread or something with sugar in it tends to make me want to eat more.
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Old 01-03-2014, 05:08 PM   #9
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Less carbs does not mean more calories. It really depends on the choices you make. Chicken breast, fish, eggs, lettuce, zucchini, etc. Lots of lower calorie /low to no carb options. Now you probably don't want to do a DD on prime rib and veggies drenched in butter, but it's definitely doable on an UD. Trust me, I've done it, even WITH bread and potatoes.

It's definitely doable on an UD and for me is just what the doctor ordered. I don't eat beyond my appetite for any reason but I can always eat a good share of meat and veggies with butter and a salad with blue cheese dressing to boot. The DDs are pretty Stillman-esque, which is basically low carb, low fat, low calorie and that's fine... as long as I only have to do it every other day!

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I found that if I ate very low carb for dinner on my up days the down days were much much easier.
hmm interesting! So when you say easier to you mean terms of hunger or cravings...or both?

I may try this if I find DDs continue to be difficult. I already have a high carb dinner planned for tomorrow that I already took out of the freezer to defrost so I will have to wait until the next one.
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Old 01-03-2014, 05:59 PM   #11
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It's definitely doable on an UD and for me is just what the doctor ordered. I don't eat beyond my appetite for any reason but I can always eat a good share of meat and veggies with butter and a salad with blue cheese dressing to boot. The DDs are pretty Stillman-esque, which is basically low carb, low fat, low calorie and that's fine... as long as I only have to do it every other day!
That is amazing, and very admirable!
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Old 01-03-2014, 06:14 PM   #12
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That is amazing, and very admirable!
Years and years of practice ...

And truth be told there are times when my appetite feels as if it's unslakable, especially if I've gone off the carb bandwagon.

What I really meant by that is that I don't eat when I'm not hungry and I don't allow myself to keep eating when I'm full. So the idea of not being able to hit my UD numbers isn't relevant to me. I'm quite sure I'll hit them most days and some days I'll be under or over. All these years of eating low carb has taught me that losing my appetite is not cause for alarm. It always returns. Gaining appetite on the other hand makes me sit up and take notice ...

PS: I have been eating one of those little Trader Joes brie cheese bites in the late afternoon to cut my hunger. I'm just mentioning it for those who are doing low carb. I also have a cup of tea or broth with a couple of teaspoons of heavy cream. If you do a ketogenic diet these sorts of less than 100 calorie fat snacks might help get through the DDs. FWIW .

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well after doing LC for a year and a half, i can definitely attest to the lack of appetite and cravings that go along with it. i may think about doing some LC UD's in the days to come. a part of me hates to go back down that road... not that there is anything wrong with it! it truly is a wonderful way to eat, but i have liked kinda eating what i want on my UD's. not even talking about craziness like chips and chocolate, but more like having rice with my chinese or eating real spaghetti rather than spaghetti squash.

i'll have to think a bit more on that. see where it takes me.
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I have been eating low carb so long that I don't really know how else to eat.
I do find that eating low carb high protein on DD's keeps me from being hungry. I have tried tons of veggies and I am starving.
Even on UD's I stay low carb. It is just natural for me. This time of year during Christmas I have eaten more goodies and I have noticed it. I am up in weight. My body doesn't process carbs good. I'm sure that is because I never really eat much of them and because I just don't need them.

I don't know if I can eat more eating low carb or not but it seems that way. Or it may just be that eating higher fat and higher protein just makes you eat less. I don't know. I know if I eat lower carb on UD's, DD's are easier.
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My WOE is naturally low carb so I don't normally count them, but I do count my calories (on UDs) because they are usually low. Here is a typical UD menu for me:

b-two whole (four halves) deviled eggs with homemade mayo
snack-either a cup of blackberries or 1/4 cup of sunflower seeds or sunflower butter with carrots
l-usually vegetables of some kind. Salad or cucumber with homemade mayo. If I didn't have sunflower butter and carrots for a snack, I might eat it for lunch
supper-typically fish that I saute in a tbsp of coconut oil. Occasionally I will have chicken, but usually only if we go out to eat. Then I get whatever salad is available with chicken.

There is some variation to this menu, but not a whole heck of a lot. For example, sometimes instead of sunflower seeds, I may have a handful of mixed nuts. Or I may have strawberries instead of blackberries. Instead of sauteing fish I might make salmon patties or crab cakes. But basically, this is it.

I don't eat dairy, bread, pasta, or grains and rarely eat meat other than chicken.

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Old 01-03-2014, 07:21 PM   #16
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hmm interesting! So when you say easier to you mean terms of hunger or cravings...or both?

I may try this if I find DDs continue to be difficult. I already have a high carb dinner planned for tomorrow that I already took out of the freezer to defrost so I will have to wait until the next one.
Both actually, although I don't typically have a lot of cravings. But I was desperately hungry at first on DDs and noticed that it was easier if my last meal the night before was *very* low carb. It's possible, though, that was coincidence since I'm new at JUDDD and might just be adjusting.

But for me very low carb usually does affect my appetite fairly strongly so it makes some sense.
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6:30am-12pm- the same cup of coffee never got finished- the whole mug was 60 so I'll say= 40.

Bedtime snack at 9:30pm:
3oz lettuce= 12
2oz celery= 8
3oz cucumber= 12
1oz pickle= 4
1/2 hard boiled egg= 36
Vinegar and Sea salt= 0
Total= 72

72+40= 112 (Maybe 40-80 calories of yogurt- we'll see.)
This was my DD menu from Thursday- pretty low carb. I don't follow low carb anymore, but this must be under 20 net carbs.
You could also add tuna or turkey pepperoni for a little more substance.
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