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Old 12-10-2013, 05:34 PM   #91
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Does anyone make their first meal "light" after a DD because they feel their tummy cant handle anything big for the first meal?
I'm not a morning eater, but I think people do better with a breakfast that is lighter on fat. Especially if tummy troubles have been occurring.

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I was reading Dr. Mosley's 5:2 Diet forum and there is a pretty extensive thread about people claiming that they had lost quite a few inches and their clothes were fitting much better despite no losses on the scale. I was wondering if people here doing JUDDD had noticed anything similar? If so, it would be nice motivation to hang on during the inevitable stalls.
I have almost shrunk out of an entire clothing size without seeing scale loss, but a whoosh was not far behind. JUDDD is supposed to be muscle sparing. I did not lose as much as I deserved to.

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Anybody know what Bulletproof coffee is? I keep seeing people are drinking this and I'm like it doesnt sound too tasty.
Coffee with coconut oil and butter blended in. I am not a fan
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I tried to do a modified BPC early on. I'd put in coconut oil. The problem is I don't drink my coffee fast enough to keep it from separating and making an "oil slick" at the top of my mug. Blech!
I know there are supposed to be specific benefits from the coconut oil and grass fed butter above & beyond the added satiety and lack of fast-breaking of the fat. But if I can barely choke it down then there's no point. I am much more content with my 1 TBS HWC in my morning coffee. Its my morning staple whether its a DD or an UD and it keeps me more than satisfied until easily 1-2pm. Extends the fast, and makes DDs much easier.
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Old 12-11-2013, 09:16 AM   #93
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I tried the BPC too and like it at first. I used about a 14 oz mug of coffee and whisked in (with my little Aerolatte whipper) 1T CO and 1T butter. It certainly did keep me full for a long time. After a week or two, it started to make me feel gaggy, so I quit and went back to HWC.
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Old 12-11-2013, 09:20 AM   #94
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I can't drink it. I can eat the butter though.
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Old 12-11-2013, 09:35 AM   #96
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Old 12-11-2013, 10:25 AM   #97
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I can only eat butter on something but not plain.
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I think I could eat a stick of butter plain. Love the stuff.
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Has anybody not been able to eat all their UD cals and still lose?
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Old 12-11-2013, 04:07 PM   #101
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Has anybody not been able to eat all their UD cals and still lose?
It is not a long range plan for success.
Add butter to everything, use cream, eat avocadoes, have macadamia nuts- plenty of "healthy" food will make those calories add up quickly. (or you could have a muffin- most are about 500 calories a pop, half a cup of ice cream can run you 170 calories and who eats half a cup )
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Old 12-11-2013, 04:30 PM   #102
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Has anybody not been able to eat all their UD cals and still lose?
Nope, not I. Whenever I lowered my UD calories before my body was ready to, I stalled. When I ate up to my UD numbers, I would start losing again. Our bodies are weird things. Carly gave you some good suggestions. I personally get my extra calories usually in the form of wine or rum.
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Old 12-11-2013, 04:38 PM   #103
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Nope, not I. Whenever I lowered my UD calories before my body was ready to, I stalled. When I ate up to my UD numbers, I would start losing again. Our bodies are weird things. Carly gave you some good suggestions. I personally get my extra calories usually in the form of wine or rum.
Yes, that will work too. I'm sure a pina colada has loads of calories. I know it seems like a lot of calories at first, but clearly we ate that amount on a semi regular basis (that's why were are all here- right?)
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Why you must eat on your UDs

What Carly and Dawn said.
I also love pecans. 1/4 cup of pecans is 200 calories. I can easily eat 1/4 cup pecans, or even 1/2 cup. Peanut butter too.
You must eat your UD cals. Look at it this way:
Say your UD # is 1800 and your DD # is 400. Over a 14 day period, you'll have 7 UDs (1800 x 7 = 12,600) and 7 DDs (400 x 7 = 2800) for a grand total of 15,400 calories over 14 days or an average of 1100 calories per day.
When you consider that most straight calorie restricted diets call for 1200-1500 calories for most women, you see how you're already under that number on a daily average. And if you're like most JUDDDers you're shooting for an even lower DD so maybe you're actually only at 1050 average per day. Or 1000 average per day.
One of the reasons JUDDD is more successful than straight calorie restriction is getting the benefits from the re-feed on your UDs.
Drop much lower and you'll stall from starvation mode. In fact, 40# lighter, I'm still using my original calculator numbers because I have not yet stalled in my weight loss!! (My maintenance break does not count, in my head, as a stall because I was not properly JUDDDing.) But I also go lower on my DDs so maybe that's why.
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You've gotten great answers from three of our pros. I agree with everything Carly, Dawn and Jen have said. Please do eat all your calories - it's so important! Are you having trouble because you feel too full, or is it a mental thing of having "so many" calories in one day?
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Carol, I didn't ask the question but I'm having the same issue so I'll answer it--for me it's a bit of both--mental and physical. I could have probably fit more calories in yesterday if I spread them out more, but I'm enjoying keeping the 1-9pm eating window, which only really allows for two meals (because I'm so full).

I'll try to add more butter--whole pats!--to vegetables, maybe have some salads with mayo, and see what that does. Although Dr. Johnson himself says eat to fullness, so I don't really want to stuff myself.

Thanks so much to all you veterans for your guidance.

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Chiming in with a chorus of agreement to eat your UD calories for as long as you continue to lose. It's important to accept that this is part of a long-term strategy and the need for this varies with age.

Older people may well be better off making sure they maximise the number of kcals they eat in maintenance. If you only need to eat 1250kcals to maintain, and then need to reduce that in your 50, 60s, 70s, 80s (roughly 10% per decade) then it's difficult to eat enough to ensure a balanced diet if you keep within those restricted kcals. Or, horribly easy to gain weight by eating a little outside them. If you need 2000kcals or more to maintain, then you may well have greater dietary flexibility as you age.
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I agree with you Slow, and it one of the reasons I love JUDDD. It was dear Pat (So Happy) who used to describe the rotations as a piston effect. If you can push the low numbers low and the high numbers high you seem to produce a better outcome. I am not one of the scientists here, but I see it working, on the ground, so to speak.

With only 1450 calories on an UD eating them all is never going to be a problem for me. In fact I almost always eat well over that and maintain nicely. I do try to watch more carefully in WLM, but it is the lower DDs that seem to help me most.
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Old 12-12-2013, 05:40 AM   #109
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Another DD and I'm still on the wrong side of 200 lbs. I feel like a fly in a jar, repeatedly ramming my head against an invisible barrier.

However, my weight this morning was 200.2 lbs, so it's getting "oh so close".
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Not the scale
The thing that is sooooo frustrating is that, before I did VLC, my weight always hovered around 197 - 199, pretty much no matter what I did. Now I have to struggle like heck to get back there.

I also seem to be losing weird. I didn't measure before I started JUDDDing but I do have some measurements from back in June during another WL attempt. The weight then was 205 and 201. Compared to the 201 measurements in June, my chest and biceps are slightly larger as is my waist. however, my hips are smaller and my thigh is a full 2 and half inches smaller.

What?

My butt and legs weren't fat. I'm really hoping that isn't lost muscle.

I can't take too much from the measuring though, since the changes might have taken place over the summer and fall. I really wish I had measured before I started JUDDD.

I do think some of what I've lost so far is fat around my organs. When I lay on my back, the edges of my ribcage are more defined. My breathing seems easier. Before, I sometimes felt like something was pressing on my lungs.
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Good idea Frosty. I'm going to measure today since I am still in my first week of JUDDD and try to keep everything in perspective. Where I may not see changes in the scale, I might see changes in inches across my body. Whatever it takes to stay motivated.
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I'm starting to wonder if I have turned a corner with JUDDD. Full fast DDs have always been easy to do but I usually felt cold in the evening and kind of wrung out the next morning. Yesterday, during my DD, I felt amazing and had a lot of nervous energy. I also wasn't as cold as I have been. I still feel great this morning, with good energy, even though I haven't eaten yet.

I hope this continues.
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The DD energy is one of the best side-effects of JUDDDing! I'm glad you've discovered it. I haven't ever stopped being cold though. I'll bet you're right about losing around your organs. That internal fat is nasty stuff and good to be rid of it!

Shay, I'm glad you're going to measure. Those numbers are going to provide you with a lot of motivation going forward. In just a few months, you'll be amazed at what you've accomplished!
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I also seem to be losing weird. I didn't measure before I started JUDDDing but I do have some measurements from back in June during another WL attempt. The weight then was 205 and 201. Compared to the 201 measurements in June, my chest and biceps are slightly larger as is my waist. however, my hips are smaller and my thigh is a full 2 and half inches smaller.

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My butt and legs weren't fat. I'm really hoping that isn't lost muscle.

I can't take too much from the measuring though, since the changes might have taken place over the summer and fall. I really wish I had measured before I started JUDDD.

I do think some of what I've lost so far is fat around my organs. When I lay on my back, the edges of my ribcage are more defined. My breathing seems easier. Before, I sometimes felt like something was pressing on my lungs.
I have not lost proportionally on JUDDD. My body shape has changed multiple times, sometime fairly comically, and then other portions do tend to eventually catch up.

As for the not fat thighs, fat does not just lay on top of the muscle. It also weaves itself within the muscle fibers. Think of a well marbled steak. So youay be losing that intramuscular fat which which is reducing the inches without reducing the muscle. Especially if you're also toning.
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As for the not fat thighs, fat does not just lay on top of the muscle. It also weaves itself within the muscle fibers. Think of a well marbled steak. So youay be losing that intramuscular fat which which is reducing the inches without reducing the muscle.
I know but it just seems so weird. Other times I lost weight, even when I got down to 169 lbs a few years ago, I never really lost any size in my legs. Also, I really can't afford to lose much more in my hips (butt). There would be nothing left to keep my pants up.


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Especially if you're also toning.

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I think a marble steak tastes sexy! LOL so I'm not even going to think about how much marble is in my muscle. If I can just get the outer layer of fat off I'll be happy.
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We are holding our breath for you Frosty, we can all taste Onderland with you.
Thanks. I had a two pound bounce up after yesterday's UD but that usually happens. The weight was still less than after the last UD, so things are stilling trending downward. Hopefully that means I can dip into Onederland tomorrow.

With Christmas just around the corner, I imagine it will be a brief visit but at least, mentally, I will know it can happen again.

Last week, my Saturday and Sunday were both UDs. This week, I want to get things switched around, so Sunday will be a DD as will Tues and Thurs. We are going to my parents' for the weekend for our Christmas visit (and to pick up my son from college for winter break) and I want to get as low as possible before that. I will probably extend my Thursday DD as long as possible into Friday (hopefully until dinner). I imagine that Saturday will be a UUAD. Then that Sunday will be a MD.

Hopefully, this plan will get me through that hurdle before facing Christmas week (I have M, T, W off but will just be at home with the family).
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That impenetrable barrier has been broken!

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I hope to see it a few more times before Christmas gets here.
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