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Old 12-27-2013, 05:50 PM   #541
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Fingers crossed. I've not got a clear idea of the long range forecast into next week but if this continues, I'll need to reconcile myself to losing my Spring garden as all the bulbs will have rotted with the continued sodden medium.

Do bear in mind that because you're eating more carbohydrate than you typically do, in the short term:
insulin -> sodium retention -> water retention.
So, the sudden influx of a higher than usual amount of dietary carbohydrates may increase your insulin release and promote sodium and fluid retention until you stabilise. Just be prepared
for that and ignore it because it will pass very quickly once your back into your rotations.
Slow, thank you so very much for this timely reminder, here, I was going cuckoo over the gainover the past 3 days.
Was watching BBC last night, oh what a mess! Never saw that in my 15 years that I lived there!

Thank you Adi for reminding us we are in this together!
Yam-Yam, thanks you for the words of encouragement
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Old 12-27-2013, 07:59 PM   #542
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Been so busy the last few days, no real computer time. Just trying to catch up on the last few pages of posts.
I'm hoping for a good DD tomorrow. I haven't weighed, but I will in the morning, since 12/19. I think 12/19 was my last DD. I had some MDs but not a good DD. We're not that into New Years here with hubs working and the 3 year old not really an acceptable party-mate so I'm hoping tomorrow starts the back-on-track I need!
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Old 12-27-2013, 09:47 PM   #544
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Do bear in mind that because you're eating more carbohydrate than you typically do, in the short term:
insulin -> sodium retention -> water retention.
So, the sudden influx of a higher than usual amount of dietary carbohydrates may increase your insulin release and promote sodium and fluid retention until you stabilise. Just be prepared for that and ignore it because it will pass very quickly once your back into your rotations.
Thank you for that reminder Slow. You are absolutely correct. I know that the majority of any gains I am having right now aren't fat. I'm sure a bit is , but definitely not the majority. Lucky for me, I won't have to know what those ugly numbers are, because I think I'm doing no-weigh January. Then back to weighing weekly or daily or after DDs - whatever feels right when the time comes.
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Old 12-28-2013, 01:37 AM   #545
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Been so busy, but had a wonderful Xmas with so many family around. Eat, boy did we eat.

I love the photos lis, what a fantastic job you have done. Well done ladyX

Adi brave lady weighing in. I'll give it another couple,of days I think. Also love the photos.

Slow, we have been very lucky in all these terrible storms. We travel back to London tomorrow, hope things are okay there too.
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Heading to my 2nd mom's memorial in a little while. It was delayed since she passed just a few days before Thanksgiving, and they didn't want to do it before Christmas. It will be nice to see everyone, though for a sad reason. There will be a reception after, and I have no idea what will be served, so I'll do my best. Have a good Saturday everyone!
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Do bear in mind that because you're eating more carbohydrate than you typically do, in the short term:
insulin -> sodium retention -> water retention.
So, the sudden influx of a higher than usual amount of dietary carbohydrates may increase your insulin release and promote sodium and fluid retention until you stabilise. Just be prepared for that and ignore it because it will pass very quickly once your back into your rotations.
Thanks for the reminder! I've been up 3-4 pounds since right before the holiday. I know a lot of it is from the sugary treats and extra carbs I've allowed (usually eat SF if I have a treat) but at that same time I entered weeks 6-8 of JUDD and had come off a good loss in the initial 5 weeks. Wondering if my body is putting the brakes on for a bit?? Trying to convince myself to trust the process and see what happens after getting back to regular rotations and staying within DD calories, but I really want to freak out and give into the negative thoughts that tell me to chuck it and eat!

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Thanks for the reminder! ...Wondering if my body is putting the brakes on for a bit?? Trying to convince myself to trust the process and see what happens after getting back to regular rotations and staying within DD calories, but I really want to freak out and give into the negative thoughts that tell me to chuck it and eat!
Ignore the negative thought demon on your shoulder - genuinely, it doesn't have your best interests at heart. Look at Dawn and Adi's recent numbers - a jump up means little as it's back down again when post-travel, post-indulgence, post-migraine bloat passes away.

Trust the process. It is an act of faith to do this. It's not easy.

Jan 2012 I lost faith after a 6 week plateau and life happened so, 11 months later, I was back to JUDDD with an additional 17lbs to lose. (I think the problem was that I transitioned to JUDDD from a low calorie programme and it wasn't practical to keep cutting my kcals but it would have required more faith than I had at the time to raise them.) At the beginning of 2013, I returned to JUDDD and after losing to my original target, I've now been maintaining for 6 months (with JUDDD's assistance, the help of this board, and a lot of faith).

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Slow, thank you so very much for this timely reminder, here, I was going cuckoo over the gainover the past 3 days.
Was watching BBC last night, oh what a mess! Never saw that in my 15 years that I lived there!
It will pass, your sodium+water is just very obviously and awkwardly in the way just now.

It's very unusual for the flooding to be this widespread. I hope that this week ahead is quite dry as the ground is so sodden that the storm run-off would be horrendous and make an already bad situation (in many parts) that much worse.
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Thanks Slow! It helps to hear others experience and how it works.

Today I am working on cleaning the kitchen and removing temptation.
I have an issue with throwing away unspoiled and still-good food items so this morning I've packed up all the holiday leftover goodies and put them in the freezer. I put them into Foodsaver bags with two cookies each for portion control. It's funny that I can't allow myself to throw it out today, but if it sits in the freezer and takes up space I could use for my homemade stocks and soups I am much more willing to part with it after a month. Plus out of sight, out of mind - if I see it sitting out then it is constantly on my mind and I pick at it every time I walk by.

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I read a bit of Krista Varady's new book on the Amazon teaser. She recommends weighing daily and says that people who do, lose more weight than those who don't. She also said you have to average up day and down day weights to get a better picture.

I know a lot of people get freaked out by the scale, but she thinks it is a good measure.
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I haven't read her book but I do have a problem with absolutes. Which I feel like that statement of hers is an absolute.
Weighing daily doesn't work for everyone in the sense that some people can be horribly derailed by the post-feast/UD bounce. It depends on how you handle such things mentally, in my opinion.
While I understand where she's coming from, remember her subjects are volunteers who were committed to following the program no matter what (sort of). While absolutely better than rats & mice (or nothing) still not quite the real world.
Which is why I caution being careful of absolutes.
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Don't be sorry. I'm not trying to be difficult or argumentative, I just want to express my opinion about absolute statements.
If everyone agreed all the time, no progress would ever be made because everyone would be fine with the status quo. Disagreements lead to progress, and my statement is only one person's opinion. I happen to disagree with someone who wrote a book. That's all.
Having worked in science & research, I put 98% of my faith in "the system". But, by necessity, "the system" is incredibly rigid and does not always reflect or adequately represent real life. Therefore it is, again, my opinion, important to take some recommendations with a grain of salt.
That's what great about these boards - people can share their different experiences and others can take bits & pieces that will work for them!!
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Yes, absolute statements are tricky to deal with. I almost got into an argument with someone about calories. She said under NO circumstances should women ever go below 1200 calories a day. First of all, even on my daily tracker it is telling me right now my target calories are 1118. I don't go by this but that's what it's telling me according to my height and weight. Also, she got into the hype about starvation mode, etc. I was going to say something but figured I should just keep quiet LOL The bottom line is everyone is different and there are so many options out there you just have to find the right one for you. Anyway, I am a person who tries to weigh every day but when I KNOW that I will be really up one day I might skip it just so I don't get too down on myself because I know if I wait a day or 2 the number will come back down.
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I agree with you guys too about the absolutes.
I am one that cannot weigh every day right now. Maybe once I get down a little more I can but the scale going up after a UD or after these holiday multiple UD's really bothers me. I am slightly OCD and I will let the scale totally dictate how I feel the whole day. I know I shouldn't but it happens anyway. Especially right now with me being heavier than I have been in a very long time. I just cant do it. I think I may like the idea of the no weigh January!!!
I got my elliptical yesterday and really love it. I used it this morning. I'll be using it once or twice per day and then doing the rotations hopefully I can get some of this weight off.

I changed up my rotation ot have wed as an UD so I ended up having 2 UD's in a row so I am ready for a DD today!!! I can tell I am so swollen and retaining so much water.
Went to the movies last night to see American Hustle and had a small bag of popcorn and put parmesan garlic on it. Too much salt!!! Good movie though!!

Hoping for a good DD today. I have to drink tons of water today and get some of this bloat off!!!
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Very high dd for me yesterday due to I'm weak:)

F-I law was here and I made cheese sausage, spinach pizza, and salad.
Thought I'd be tough and eat one slice of pizza, and salad. It turned into two slices very worth it. Love the jiffy mix crust.
Plus supper was left over half hamburger.
I'm still calling it a dd
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Today I'm starting out with broth until late afternoon.
Gym day, and staying warm day.
I'm trying to make Monday Wed and Friday dd as others are doing.
Sat and Sun double UDs.
I'm just fishing to see how it goes.
My Friday evening meal will be higher dd.
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Sounds like a good plan, Ei.

I also do not like absolutes, but I do weigh every day unless I forget (which is rare), or my batteries are dead lol. For nearly two years I didn't weigh because I was so heavy and discouraged and could not fathom the amount of time and effort it would take to lose. My batteries were dead in my scale and I just left it like that. At the beginning of this month, one of my batteries finally stopped and I bought some new ones the same day lol...For me, daily weighing is crucial, but I wouldn't say it must be that way for everyone.

I slept very late this morning and still don't feel completely rested. Bf has a headache and toothache and kept both us up at intervals during the night. I hope he will feel better after some extra rest today (he's still sleeping). It's raining and dreary, and I will probably spend the day reading a new book I bought last night.
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I think weighing every day has really helped me along my journey. It kept me on track and taught me an awful lot about how my body reacts to different things like specific foods, exercise, stress, PMS, etc.

That said, I have truly enjoyed NOT weighing these past couple of months, and it has been right for me at this stage. I plan to go back to weighing more often in the next month or so.

I think for most people actively trying to lose weight, weighing often is feedback we need. I'm not surprised to hear that that is what Dr Varady has found. I do agree with Jen that we all need to see what works best for us. That has been one of the things I've been so intrigued with doing JUDDD and being part of this board - we learn from each other's experiences, try different things, see what works for us and what doesn't. Once again, JUDDD flexibility.
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I have weighed myself (almost) everyday for the past 8 years so it's really second nature. I never used to before that and I think it's helped me keep myself in check. Having said that, I can easily see why someone would want to choose a different way with this WOE. I nearly died when I saw the scale bouncing and I really needed to talk myself into sticking with this at least long enough to find out if I could adapt to the down days. If those bounces are extreme and they bother you I can easily see why you'd opt for just weighing occasionally.

I have to admit that as I read everyone's daily weight loss journals I find it just thrilling that once you get adapted to this you can lose your gains from UDs very quickly. I would love to get to the point where a five pound bounce doesn't throw me because I know I can have a "few good DDs" (as you successful one's all call it) and get back to my best weight. That seems like a wonderfully relaxed way to maintain your weight.
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I would love to get to the point where a five pound bounce doesn't throw me because I know I can have a "few good DDs" (as you successful one's all call it) and get back to my best weight. That seems like a wonderfully relaxed way to maintain your weight.
When I see people's bounces, I tend to think, FEAR:
Falsely Experiencing Adiposity Rebound

Because it really isn't. As you've seen, it moves away quickly and it's travel, hormones, DOMS, carbs->sodium->water, migraine, temporary illness, sleep-related etc. It gives us a momentary fear that it's adipose tissue (fat) but, when people are monitoring regularly, and they know what they've eaten lately, then somewhere, there is the certain knowledge that it's FEAR not fat.

Of course, there's all the difference in the world between accepting something intellectually and emotionally. And that's when we need to come here and be reminded of that.
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But I'm really not all that worried. I have partaken in so much holiday eating and other celebrations since Thanksgiving that this is not that shocking- not so pleasing, but not shocking. I have also only had 1 DD since 12/21

It has been one get together, lunch, party, etc after the next. I've never even stuffed myself at any of them, but just the volume of food and calorically dense choices have been outstanding.

I'm feeling well rested however from this much needed time away from work that I even worked from home this morning to get a few quick things out of the way.

I'm pretty excited for 2014. Last night some of us were talking about being bold in 2014. I like that. I want to be bold with my actions and decisions. I am still planning to make it the year on No at work. I think it will be hard for me. I like being a team player, but I have to be able to get my own work done and don't want to be taken advantage of (I don't feel that I am, but don't want to feel that way in the future.)
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That'll come off right away Carly with a few rotations.

I am someone that just cannot weigh in every day. The scale starts to control me and I'm actually looking forward to no-weigh January. Honestly, I'm freaking out a little about it, but I think a month without weighing in will be good for me.

I fly out tonight and plan on weighing tomorrow morning before I return to work. I've been trying to do a little positive self-talk on both counts. It's been a great reprieve from work and very much needed. I also cannot wait to get back to my rotations. I'm feeling so bloated and I'm tired of eating and I especially have missed my gym time this week so I will be the first person at Triple Fat Burner class tomorrow after work.
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I weighed yesterday and things are ok. Surprising after all the eating. I won't have a dd till Thursday. Tomorrow is Christmas with hubby's daughter and family. I just know I will eat and drink. Tuesday is NY eve and we go to my friends for a dinner party and she has awesome food. Then Wednesday is my anual New Year's Day pork and sauerkraut meal. Hmmm. Maybe I can do a dd on Wednesday. I have to get the junk out of here.
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I didn't do a DD today either. I didn't eat anything until about 4 pm, and I also had cake and ice cream. No other meal since, and there's really nothing to eat of any substance in the house. Bf is still sick with a toothache that he claims is "the worst thing ever". Hopefully we can find a denist that will take him (with no insurance) tomorrow. I don't think I can take much more of his toothache either.
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Bf is still sick with a toothache that he claims is "the worst thing ever". Hopefully we can find a denist that will take him (with no insurance) tomorrow.
Toothache can be wretched. I've had some that gave a fresh wave of pain every step you took because the slightest impact made it worse. Several times I had an abscess and the pain was so bad it almost defied comprehension (ah, abscesses that I've had, in one spot, where I've had several over the years, the last abscess there managed to erode enough bone that it fractured my upper jaw).

I hope that you find a suitable dentist. Your state doesn't have Dental Hospitals attached to Dental Schools where students treat the public? (Some cities still have that in the UK but fewer than they used to be.)
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WOE: JUDDD Maintenance. Ketogenic PHD.
Start Date: 11 Dec. 2011 Restart 1 Jan 2013
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Originally Posted by KeirasMom View Post
Heading to my 2nd mom's memorial in a little while. !
I hope that you were all able to celebrate her life despite the sadness of such a sad event. She must have been very warm and loving to have felt like a second mother to you.
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