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Old 10-29-2013, 08:57 AM   #1
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Looking for a bit of input

Hey all. Congrats on all the successes so far! I have only been on this board for a little over a month but everyone is doing great!

Need a little help here. So I've been running a decent number of miles per week, somewhere around 15-20 miles right now but increasing every week. And I've noticed that on days after DDs, my legs are a little more tired and not recovered as well. Right now my rotation is EOD 2600/700, sometimes hitting a bit lower each day.

That leads me to my new proposition. I am thinking of changing my rotation to 2200/1200. That gets me the same average calories each day but allows me a few more on the DDs to aid recovery. Right now I am around 188 (haven't weighed for a couple weeks) and wouldn't mind losing an extra 20 but that isn't too important to be done quickly.

Anyone have any advice on this newly proposed plan? I think it should work. Do you experts think it has enough spread to work in the plan and get the SIRt gene working? Thanks for all your help everyone!
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Old 10-29-2013, 09:05 AM   #2
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That is an interesting question Alex. There is some thought that a 1000 calorie spread is enough to keep the SIRTs going. And since you are not looking to lose super fast, it might be just the thing for you.

You might want to ask your question to Krista Varady. She has a Facebook page and also a website EODDiet, and is pretty active answering questions. She seems to be the one with the most current and active research on the subject.

You are doing great, by the way!
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Old 10-29-2013, 09:16 AM   #3
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My gut instinct is that it should work for you, especially since you've already established the SIRTs. A 1000 calorie spread, IMO, would keep them active. If you choose to try it, I'd be interested to see how you do.

I'm currently doing 2000/1000 (though my DDs are usually closer to 700) and maintaining beautifully with my older, female body and no exercise. I would think the 2200/1200 would be plenty of deficit and allow you to get enough carbs and protein to support your training, especially given your younger, male, exercising self. I'm interested to see if you try it and how it works for you!
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Old 10-29-2013, 11:18 AM   #4
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I'm gonna give it a try, probably for the entire month of November. I think my October JUDDD got me from 193 to probably around 186 or so. 7 pounds in a month, that is perfect, if not too fast for me. My goal would be 180 after November, then 175 before the New Year, but at least down to 179 by January. Today will be a 2200 calorie UD, and tomorrow will be my first 1200 calorie DD.

I'll keep you guys informed! And I am also participating in No-Weigh November, so I won't have short-term success monitored. But I will monitor the progress with the pace and distance of my runs. This Saturday is a 9K trail race! Wish me luck...I want to average under 9 min Miles, which I did in my 10K training run this past weekend!
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Old 10-29-2013, 01:16 PM   #5
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Good luck Alex! I'll be joining you in No-Weigh November, so I'll see you "there". I'm getting a little nervous about it, but I think it will be really good for me.
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Old 10-29-2013, 01:38 PM   #6
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Good luck on the race! I have a 5 K on sunday.. I am hoping to get 9 minute miles. I don't run like I used too. I used to get 8:20 miles but not any more.. I find my body likes long walks and hiking better.. I miss the challenge of the half marathons though.. I am thinking maybe one more........
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Old 10-29-2013, 01:55 PM   #7
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I have been combining JUDDD with marathon training and I have found that morning long runs (over 8 miles) are difficult after a DD unless I add in some extra calories the night before. I tried having a big UD breakfast a few hours before those runs but it still wasn't enough to get me through them. Fasting doesn't seem to notacibly effect my other runs but I do add in extra calories for recovery during and after hard workouts such as speed training & hill training etc.(50% of the total calories I bured was the number I was trying for.) I am finished my marathon now and am dropping back down in mileage which I think will be easier to combine with JUDDD. Please post what you find out as it is helpful to hear what works for others!
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