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Old 09-16-2013, 08:21 AM   #1
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New book - The Every Other Day Diet

Dr. Krista Varady is coming out with this book on Dec. 24, 2013.

Good that she's writing the book and profiting from all of the studies and research that she's done on ADF. Apparently she asked Mosley's publisher to take out all references to her research in his 5:2 book.

She also has a FB page on the diet and there's an article written up on it entitled "fasting-diets-science-research-studies-52-diets" on Healthista.
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Does she give any credit to Dr. Johnson? Might be interesting to see if she has any more information to add.
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Does she give any credit to Dr. Johnson? Might be interesting to see if she has any more information to add.
I don't know? He only did one small study about 7 years ago didn't he and it was mostly testing ADF impacts on asthma? He's a plastic surgeon, not an in the lab researcher so... I guess she wouldn't credit him.

She's the most prominent researcher in the ADF field with the most published studies so I would think he would pretty much have to be referring to her research in his updated book.
Krista Varady, PhD, is an associate professor of nutrition at the University of Illinois and the world's leading researcher into alternate-day fasting. She has published more than 30 papers on the topic in prestigious journals such as The American Journal of Nutrition and Obesity...
She's working on some studies now (not published yet) on exercise and ADF IIRC. And longer term studies beyond the one 8 week asthma one that Johnson did. That should be interesting.
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Does she say if she has also been using this way of eating? If so, how much did she lose and how long did it take her?

Thanks for telling us about this book!

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Apparently she asked Mosley's publisher to take out all references to her research in his 5:2 book.
Why did she do that?
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I don't know? He only did one small study about 7 years ago didn't he and it was mostly testing ADF impacts on asthma? He's a plastic surgeon, not an in the lab researcher so... I guess she wouldn't credit him.

She's the most prominent researcher in the ADF field with the most published studies so I would think he would pretty much have to be referring to her research in his updated book.
Krista Varady, PhD, is an associate professor of nutrition at the University of Illinois and the world's leading researcher into alternate-day fasting. She has published more than 30 papers on the topic in prestigious journals such as The American Journal of Nutrition and Obesity...
She's working on some studies now (not published yet) on exercise and ADF IIRC. And longer term studies beyond the one 8 week asthma one that Johnson did. That should be interesting.
But didn't he advocate ADF long before she began research? I actually have no idea, lol. Seems interesting, nonetheless. Thanks for the heads up!
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Is't that kind of strange coming out with a book on christmas eve ?
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The timing does seem a little strange (Dr Johnsons 2nd edition of Alternate Day Diet comes out on New Year's Eve), but I guess the weight loss obsession really starts right at January 1 or 2, so maybe it does make business sense.
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Why did she do that?
‘The Fast Diet is about his [Mosley’s] experience,’ says Varady. ‘But unfortunately he actually used all of my research on alternate day fasting to support all of his points. Scientifically you can’t take studies that look at three or four days fasting a week like mine and say it’s the same thing and that you’re going to get the same health benefits when you just fast two days a week.’

Varady has indeed asked Mosley’s publishers to remove all references to her research from future reprints of The Fast Diet and Short Books confirmed they did this in April this year.

‘I’ve been doing this research for ten years now on both animals and humans and I didn’t think it medically responsible to write a book until I had run at least 4-500 people through these studies,’ says Dr Varady. ‘So I waited until I had enough research.
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Is't that kind of strange coming out with a book on christmas eve ?
Oh, I don't know. I'm a bibliophile and it seems like so many books come out right at Christmas and especially diet books, like Carol said. Sort of like timing of movies coming out before the long weekends - or Christmas - kind of thing.
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Does she say if she has also been using this way of eating? If so, how much did she lose and how long did it take her?

Thanks for telling us about this book!

Not sure Leo, she looks naturally skinny to me.
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‘The Fast Diet is about his [Mosley’s] experience,’ says Varady. ‘But unfortunately he actually used all of my research on alternate day fasting to support all of his points. Scientifically you can’t take studies that look at three or four days fasting a week like mine and say it’s the same thing and that you’re going to get the same health benefits when you just fast two days a week.’

Varady has indeed asked Mosley’s publishers to remove all references to her research from future reprints of The Fast Diet and Short Books confirmed they did this in April this year.

‘I’ve been doing this research for ten years now on both animals and humans and I didn’t think it medically responsible to write a book until I had run at least 4-500 people through these studies,’ says Dr Varady. ‘So I waited until I had enough research.
Thanks for the information. That makes sense.
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Funny that they’re still citing Moseley’s Horizon programme in the publisher’s blurb on Amazon.
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ABOUT dieting none-the-less!
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Not sure Leo, she looks naturally skinny to me.
Don't you LOVE people like that??? NOT!!!!
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Don't you LOVE people like that??? NOT!!!!
I think it's especially cruel that someone like that is regularly putting hundreds of other people on diets.
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Jacqueline, did this lady begin researching before Dr. Johnson wrote his first book? I am pscyhed to read it. I wish it was available sooner!
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Why did she do that?
Sounds like she wants to reap the financial benefits from it. Very interesting...Looks like most of her studies were funded by the NIH and UIC. Not a very friendly way for a scientist to behave. I think I'll skip it or borrow a copy from the library.
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I still give the lion's share of credit to Dr. Johnson for making this WOE accessible for so many people, and giving people like myself hope. Whether his research was as extensive or sound as others who came after him and did *more* research is beside the point, in my opinion. OTOH, since this is my way of eating, courtesy of Dr. J, I am interested in reading further studies about it.
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I still give the lion's share of credit to Dr. Johnson for making this WOE accessible for so many people, and giving people like myself hope. Whether his research was as extensive or sound as others who came after him and did *more* research is beside the point, in my opinion. OTOH, since this is my way of eating, courtesy of Dr. J, I am interested in reading further studies about it.
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I still give the lion's share of credit to Dr. Johnson for making this WOE accessible for so many people, and giving people like myself hope. Whether his research was as extensive or sound as others who came after him and did *more* research is beside the point, in my opinion. OTOH, since this is my way of eating, courtesy of Dr. J, I am interested in reading further studies about it.
Excellent Post! I agree 100%! Of course I have a question - OTOH

Just cannot figure out what it stands for!
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OTOH = On The Other Hand
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I still give the lion's share of credit to Dr. Johnson for making this WOE accessible for so many people, and giving people like myself hope. Whether his research was as extensive or sound as others who came after him and did *more* research is beside the point, in my opinion. OTOH, since this is my way of eating, courtesy of Dr. J, I am interested in reading further studies about it.
I think all of this research is still so much in an infancy stage as much as ALL of the publishers / authors like to sell the next new diet (they are huge money makers after all) and have "THE ANSWER" to our problems of staying slim in a world where it's incredibly difficult to do so. At the end of the day, if you've established a way of eating that you can easily stick to that helps you lose weight, feels good and improves your quality of life right now - that's good enough.

I would like to know more however, since I've since read that sirtuin activation has nothing to do with longevity or weight loss. Also that increased fat oxidation with IF in individuals is highly variable. The science interests me and I'd like to see it laid out in layman's terms.

But sometimes this stuff drives me crazy and I wonder how much it really matters because I look at my dad who was a beef eating, fat/lard eating, technically overweight smoker for 50+ years who's still kicking pretty well at 93 y.o. on no medications and apparently a great heart. Just makes me think - sigh... genetics... Also sigh that men can be 50+ pounds overweight and look at themselves and just think they're muscular/big-boned and us women are obsessed with every little inch.
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I agree that genetics play a part in our health and longevity, as well as our tendency to be fat or thin. My parents lived (and have lived) a long life and were (are) slim. None of my siblings are overweight, although one of my siblings struggled with her weight most of her life, I surpassed her. I had the audacity to think that because of my genetics, I couldn't possibly ever be *very* overweight, but I proved that theory wrong, lol.

My point is and was, scientific "theory" can only do so much for the average person. If a person can introduce and explain a WOE that is accessible and relatively easy for the average overweight individual, then they have my vote. I don't want to argue against further research into ADF. In fact, I think it's awesome, and I want to read about it! I only tried to point out that EOD fasting was first suggested, whether supported by scientific fact or not, to my knowledge, to the general public, by Dr. Johnson. And, I, for one, am extremely grateful.
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But sometimes this stuff drives me crazy and I wonder how much it really matters because I look at my dad who was a beef eating, fat/lard eating, technically overweight smoker for 50+ years who's still kicking pretty well at 93 y.o. on no medications and apparently a great heart.
Actually, he can probably credit his good health to all the beef and lard he was eating. It is the way human beings ate from the time they were human beings until just recently, when saturated fat was vilified for political reasons that had nothing to do with scientific facts.

Now, the smoking... That's another story!
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You never heard of "The QOD Diet: Eating Well Every Other Day"? That one came out in 2006. Maybe I'm showing my age / weight issues...
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Actually, he can probably credit his good health to all the beef and lard he was eating. It is the way human beings ate from the time they were human beings until just recently, when saturated fat was vilified for political reasons that had nothing to do with scientific facts.

Now, the smoking... That's another story!
Well, Rebecca... I think it's a combination of factors. Grass fed beef for YEARS. Little to no vegetables or fruits (if we didn't grow it, we didn't eat it - lots of potatoes though). Zero junk food. Little to no processed food. Having said that, my mother died at 56 of a heart attack eating the same diet so??? All I can come up with is luck of the genetic draw. He had some serious centenarians in his family line whereas my mother had people who died in their mid-late 30's from heart attacks in her line. I've decided that the stress of worrying about which one I take after might give me a heart attack. But I'm not afraid of butter or bacon at all. Just in moderation considering my waistline and all.
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The genetics link interests me as well. On both sides of my family, my grandparents and their ancestors all lived to ripe old ages, despite alcoholism, smoking, and "bad" diets. One grandmother was 89, the other 93. The 93 year old grandmother lived on her own up until her death. The 89 year old suffered from severe dementia in her later years, but was otherwise healthy.

My father had a massive heart attack a few months ago and did die, but was brought back. He's the most health-conscious in our family, very active and watches what he eats. My mother died at 54 from heart disease--had a massive heart attack at 50, was morbidly obese, didn't take care of herself, etc.

I figure, at least for me, I'll shoot for "mostly healthy" without stressing over hitting every macro. I'll try to keep my weight in check, but still enjoy life as much as I can, and let the cards fall where they may. The research keeps changing and each study seems to be able to be manipulated in any way the researcher deems it "should" go. It's all so confusing to me, and I'm a relatively intelligent person. As I age, I've learned that nothing is absolute. I feel like I know less in my 40s than I did in my 20s.
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