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jayjay 08-16-2013 04:20 PM

Is a sea salt flush important?
 
My friend is a yoga instructor. She's got the most perfect physique I've ever seen, eats a raw food diet of plants and sashimi, and does regular body cleanses. I told her about JUDDD and she said I should use my DD to do a salt water cleanse to remove toxins that build up in the digestive track. She said removing the toxins promotes more thorough digestion for better nutrient absorption, blah blah blah. She's a nutritionist, too. Is anyone else familiar with this cleanse? She said it's 1-2 teaspoons of natural sea salt (NOT iodized table salt) to a quart of water warm enough to dissolve the salt and to drink first thing in the morning. Is an internal cleanse like this valuable to our overall health, or just a fad? I mean, at one time, Susan Powter had us all convinced eating fat is what makes you fat as she screamed "Stop the Insanity!" and we all jumped on board that one. Or at least, I did. ;)

Librarygirl 08-16-2013 04:27 PM

Is that who started that? I used to do a low-fat diet as well. I does work, if you count every fat gram and have no more than 20-30 a day. However, now that I know that fat is good for you, I'm not sure how healthy it is.

I don't know about the sea salt cleanse. First thought is that it's a fad, but I haven't done any research.

Dottie 08-16-2013 04:29 PM

lol that sounds disgusting!
You'd have to take into consideration and medications or medical conditions that so much salt might effect.
I've read before that people do epsom salt that way, mainly because it acts as a laxative.

jacquelinejolie 08-16-2013 05:09 PM

Salt in warm water acts as a good vomiting agent if someone's ingested poison... I tried it once when I had a really bad gallstone attack and was just desperate to get rid of it. It worked :sick: but didn't since I still had the gallstone pain. But it was concentrated and not in a gallon of water.
One of the steps to get rid of the gallstones through a flush was to drink epsom salts in water (after drinking olive oil and grapefruit juice). Quite an interesting effect and it actually worked since I didn't have attacks after that.

Dottie's right - both epsom salts and salt will have a very bad laxative effect. I don't know, I don't mess with things unless something's actually wrong - I figure the body is mostly self-healing on its own?? I've read of people doing it on the Master cleanse lemonade program.

I saw a video of S.P. on her website and I'm not sure the insanity stopped. According to wikipedia: "As of 2012, she was living in a self-described "earth ship" in New Mexico." :stars:

Librarygirl 08-16-2013 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jacquelinejolie (Post 16562318)
Salt in warm water acts as a good vomiting agent if someone's ingested poison... I tried it once when I had a really bad gallstone attack and was just desperate to get rid of it. It worked :sick: but didn't since I still had the gallstone pain. But it was concentrated and not in a gallon of water.
One of the steps to get rid of the gallstones through a flush was to drink epsom salts in water (after drinking olive oil and grapefruit juice). Quite an interesting effect and it actually worked since I didn't have attacks after that.

Dottie's right - both epsom salts and salt will have a very bad laxative effect. I don't know, I don't mess with things unless something's actually wrong - I figure the body is mostly self-healing on its own?? I've read of people doing it on the Master cleanse lemonade program.

I saw a video of S.P. on her website and I'm not sure the insanity stopped. According to wikipedia: "As of 2012, she was living in a self-described "earth ship" in New Mexico." :stars:

:rofl::rofl::laugh: Some people really do take things a bit far. :D

Dottie 08-16-2013 05:15 PM

Aw come one, she was potato hacking before it was popular! Remember she was pushing potatoes without anything on them? ;)

jacquelinejolie 08-16-2013 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dottie (Post 16562327)
Aw come one, she was potato hacking before it was popular! Remember she was pushing potatoes without anything on them? ;)

I wish I could potato hack. To me, they're delivery devices for bacon bits, sour cream and butter. Or olive oil.
I've spent years potato chip hacking. Great for bulking up!
She actually had a pretty decent exercise video I used to do back in the day. About the same time as Jane Fonda's leg warmers and leotard video.

Flossyliz 08-17-2013 05:46 AM

Your yoga teacher is probably right. 2 tsp to a quart of water isn't excessive if you're otherwise fasting. Consider how much salt is in processed food!
Dr J, (whose nutritional advice is notably flawed), advocates artificial food for starting off and your nutritionist friend suggests it's a good time to detox. Polar opposites!
It comes down to personal choice, what's doable for you, plus what you regard as important for you and your health.

Flossyliz 08-17-2013 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jacquelinejolie (Post 16562342)
I wish I could potato hack. To me, they're delivery devices for bacon bits, sour cream and butter. Or olive oil.
I've spent years potato chip hacking. Great for bulking up!

I'm with you on the potato chip hack! :hyst:

Carly 08-17-2013 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Flossyliz (Post 16562765)
I'm with you on the potato chip hack! :hyst:

Is there a cheese doodle hack... :hyst:
I could get down with that!

jacquelinejolie 08-17-2013 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Carly (Post 16562816)
Is there a cheese doodle hack... :hyst:
I could get down with that!

No, you can't get down. You can only go up... :)

There's a great article by a surgeon over on the site science based medicine - not sure what I can link here but the article title is: Colon "cleanses": A load of you know what...

From the article:
"...the variety and rich ecosystem of the bacteria living in various ecological niches in your body and mine actually makes it more difficult for pathogenic bacteria to gain a foothold and cause disease. Your little critters living all over and in your body are your friends :hugs: most of the time."

calichris 08-17-2013 08:20 AM

You're funny, Jacquelinejolie! :D :hyst: :rofl:

ravenrose 08-17-2013 09:51 AM

be very careful of it if you have high blood pressure or take diuretics, of course.

in general I think "cleanses" appeal to our guilty natures and are NOT good for the body. our systems are tightly regulated and in almost every case the cleanse just throws everything out of balance for awhile. I suggest you embrace your body's equilibrium and say no to the cleansing stuff.

just because someone has a great physique doesn't mean anything she DOES contributed to it, you know? it's mostly genetics. good luck!

Librarygirl 08-18-2013 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Flossyliz (Post 16562764)
Your yoga teacher is probably right. 2 tsp to a quart of water isn't excessive if you're otherwise fasting. Consider how much salt is in processed food!
Dr J, (whose nutritional advice is notably flawed), advocates artificial food for starting off and your nutritionist friend suggests it's a good time to detox. Polar opposites!
It comes down to personal choice, what's doable for you, plus what you regard as important for you and your health.

I think his advice was quite good, especially for people unused to dieting. If I had researched this WOE and the parameters were very strict, I doubt I would have tried it. No, it's not lose weight by any means, but maybe in the beginning it is. And maybe that's ok. Just look at our people in maintenance, and the proof is undeniable. :) I'm not particularly sold on a detox either. ;)

Flossyliz 08-19-2013 04:10 AM

Cindy, like you, what I love about JUDDD is the fact that we can be reasonably relaxed about it. That's why Dr J suggests using the diet shakes, to make it easy to get going. The flawed bit is where he relies on out of date recommendations, eg about fats - which no doubt originated from some hitherto respected nutritionists!

I think detoxing is often done quite fanatically, in which case it's unbalanced and unhealthy. The science on which Dr J based JUDDD, suggests that intermittent fasting is how our early ancestors lived. I'm pretty sure they didn't do detox cleanses - unless they actually had food poisoning.

Goner 08-19-2013 04:58 AM

As far as a salt water flush - since I did the master cleanse once for 10 days, I flushed with the salt water solution each day - that's my only experience with it, so take what I say in light of that. I don't think it's necessary to do a salt-water flush EOD with JUDDD. As to how healthy it is alone, I don't know -but if elimination is your goal, it will do the job.

What I found with the master cleanse was an old shoulder injury flared during detox (which to me felt like the "final" healing) and I have never had the pain again. I did the master cleanse just because I was curious - not for weight loss - and not because I felt poorly, but like the idea of what felt like MAJOR cleaning of my digestive tract. :cool:

Also my understanding was you did not ingest the sodium from the salt - I can't remember the ratio of celtic sea salt to water, but it passes through the body (in my case) within an hour - if it didn't pass I would have worried about the sodium.

LoCarbGal 08-19-2013 12:25 PM

I'm intrigued by the idea of this salt water cleanse, and I may try one in the next week or two. The website I found mentioned that it may not work as well close to TOM, and close to full moon (not sure if I believe that one). She says you may just hold the salt and water and bloat during those times. So, I'll bite, and try and avoid them.

jacquelinejolie 08-19-2013 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LoCarbGal (Post 16565481)
I'm intrigued by the idea of this salt water cleanse, and I may try one in the next week or two. The website I found mentioned that it may not work as well close to TOM, and close to full moon (not sure if I believe that one). She says you may just hold the salt and water and bloat during those times. So, I'll bite, and try and avoid them.

Well, having done an epsom salts flush... Make sure you do it on a weekend when you can be up close and intimate with the bathroom for a few hours. Bring a novel. And stock up on TP. :)

LoCarbGal 08-19-2013 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jacquelinejolie (Post 16565801)
Well, having done an epsom salts flush... Make sure you do it on a weekend when you can be up close and intimate with the bathroom for a few hours. Bring a novel. And stock up on TP. :)

Good advice, and I will heed it!

Librarygirl 08-19-2013 05:16 PM

LCG, are you taking magnesium every day? I do, and if I forget, it really makes a difference!

jacquelinejolie 08-19-2013 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Librarygirl (Post 16565848)
LCG, are you taking magnesium every day? I do, and if I forget, it really makes a difference!

True that! Magnesium citrate will flush you out big time - or it did me. After about 2 weeks, I upped the dosage and it lost the woosh! impact it had at the beginning (whew!) Plus it's something most of us are probably deficient in - unlike sodium... Unless you don't like salty snacks, in which case I can't relate to you.

Librarygirl 08-19-2013 05:32 PM

:D :D Snack, did someone say snack? Salty, sweet, veggie or meat.:p

jacquelinejolie 08-19-2013 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Librarygirl (Post 16565875)
:D :D Snack, did someone say snack? Salty, sweet, veggie or meat.:p

Whoa, settle down there Tiger! This isn't the "what are you eating?" up day thread! :lol:

Aomiel 08-19-2013 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ravenrose (Post 16563015)
be very careful of it if you have high blood pressure or take diuretics, of course.

in general I think "cleanses" appeal to our guilty natures and are NOT good for the body. our systems are tightly regulated and in almost every case the cleanse just throws everything out of balance for awhile. I suggest you embrace your body's equilibrium and say no to the cleansing stuff.

just because someone has a great physique doesn't mean anything she DOES contributed to it, you know? it's mostly genetics. good luck!

:goodpost:

I know people who do these cleanses but everything I've read says your internal workings were not designed to be 'flushed' (and that's what these cleanses usually do) even on a semi-regular basis. It changes the chemical balance.

Librarygirl 08-19-2013 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jacquelinejolie (Post 16565881)
Whoa, settle down there Tiger! This isn't the "what are you eating?" up day thread! :lol:

It isn't? Whoops!! I think I was dreaming of a UD.:o

jacquelinejolie 08-19-2013 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Librarygirl (Post 16565911)
It isn't? Whoops!! I think I was dreaming of a UD.:o

"Tomorrow... is another day."... Scarlett O'Hara ;-)

bbnot 08-19-2013 06:47 PM

Master Cleanse
 
I did the master cleanse for 10 days also and I found the salt water flushes to be very effective and I felt great at the end of the 10 days. I also lost an additional 10 pounds over the couple of months that followed without any effort or explanation. I have often thought that a quarterly cleanse would solve all my weight issues, but unfortunately I am not that disciplined.

Goner 08-20-2013 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Aomiel (Post 16565882)
:goodpost:

I know people who do these cleanses but everything I've read says your internal workings were not designed to be 'flushed' (and that's what these cleanses usually do) even on a semi-regular basis. It changes the chemical balance.

For sure there are two sides to every idea... and if you are on master cleanse site you are hearing the "good" so not sure how everything you read would say it's not a good thing? But it's one of those things you either love or hate... that's for sure.

I didn't mention, but after the 10 day master cleanse I took probiotics, which were recommended. What I liked about the cleanse, which we hear about more and more with IF - is the body gets a rest not digesting food and uses its energy to "heal" other parts of your body. I know it was true for me and that was part of my reason for doing it.

dawnyama 08-20-2013 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jayjay (Post 16562275)
My friend is a yoga instructor. She's got the most perfect physique I've ever seen, eats a raw food diet of plants and sashimi, and does regular body cleanses. I told her about JUDDD and she said I should use my DD to do a salt water cleanse to remove toxins that build up in the digestive track. She said removing the toxins promotes more thorough digestion for better nutrient absorption, blah blah blah. She's a nutritionist, too. Is anyone else familiar with this cleanse? She said it's 1-2 teaspoons of natural sea salt (NOT iodized table salt) to a quart of water warm enough to dissolve the salt and to drink first thing in the morning. Is an internal cleanse like this valuable to our overall health, or just a fad? I mean, at one time, Susan Powter had us all convinced eating fat is what makes you fat as she screamed "Stop the Insanity!" and we all jumped on board that one. Or at least, I did. ;)

I don't know about it flushing the toxins out of the system. But my doctor recommended it to me because of my labwork. I had some labwork done because I was worried about my thyroid and she said my sodium was way out of whack it was what was causing my symptoms. Now, I added in salt (not in water like you suggested above, but to my food--however my doc told me to get it in any way I could and the water was just one suggestion ) and I immediately gained so I backed off. I didn't gradually add it in, and I never gave it time to level out in my body. The spike up really freaked me out!! I was in weight loss mode and to see a bigger number on the scale :eek: But I was diagnosed with adrenal fatigue and one of the first things they tell you to do is add salt to your diet. And not the table salt either. The good ones! I use Celtic salt and Himalayan pink salt.

All this to say------Salt is not the enemy EVERYONE thinks it to be. Fat is not and now salt (sea salt, Himalayan pink salt, the good kinds) is not.

wiiiifit 08-20-2013 02:03 PM

Ha ha. The potato chip hack. Yeah. I've done extensive n=1 research in the potato chip hack department. I don't recommend it unless you're looking for a gain.


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