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Old 08-01-2013, 11:38 AM   #1
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Experimenting with calorie levels

Haven't been in the room in quite a while. Been trying to figure out what to do to get my weight loss going in the downward direction again.

I've lowered DD calories, raised DD calories, lowered UD calories, etc. You get the point. I'm losing and gaining the same 5 pounds and I know not what to do.

I've been considering going back to low carb and see what happens, but I really don't want to.

I don't know if I'm eating too few calories or too many calories. I hear and read so much about going too low with calories on UD's, but then have been advised to do just that.

I'm really at my wits end here. I've been on JUDDD for over a year and only managed to lose 60 pounds. Lost 20 prior to that on low carb.

At my current weight (270), my calories are 460/2302 at 20%. I've been doing about 700-800/1800. Just trying to see what happens.

Not sure what to do now. I know that I can lose, because I do. Then over the next few days, it comes right back, then goes down again, etc., etc., Same song, different day.

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Old 08-01-2013, 12:03 PM   #2
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I am so sorry you are struggling. Do you count all calories on up and down days? I know my calories can easily get away from me if I don't monitor them closely.
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Old 08-01-2013, 12:13 PM   #3
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I am so sorry you are struggling. Do you count all calories on up and down days? I know my calories can easily get away from me if I don't monitor them closely.
Hi Monica - Yes I do count calories on both days. I'm almost obessive about it.

I just don't know whether to go up or down or sideways.

When I adjust calories, I lose for a day or two, then gain for a day or two, and by the end of the week, I'm back to where I started. I'm ready to pull my hair out.
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Old 08-01-2013, 12:31 PM   #4
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I'm so glad to see you back Karen! But I'm sorry you're struggling. I remember when you adjusted your calories down (per wise Pat/SoHappy's recommendation) and it worked for awhile didn't it?

I don't think losing 60 pounds in a year is anything to be unhappy with. It may be slower than we want, but healthier and more likely to *stick* long term.

Have you considered doing exactly your calculated numbers at 460/2302? It may not have worked in the past, but it may now. I know shaking things up for me has been key. That nice wide swing between UD and DD calories is the real magic. You could try that for about a month (I really think it can take that long to get things going) and see what happens. As long as you don't gain at those levels, it's worth giving it a good try.

I want you to succeed, and I hope JUDDD can do it for you. You have done an amazing job already losing.
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Old 08-01-2013, 12:54 PM   #5
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I'm so glad to see you back Karen! But I'm sorry you're struggling. I remember when you adjusted your calories down (per wise Pat/SoHappy's recommendation) and it worked for awhile didn't it?

I don't think losing 60 pounds in a year is anything to be unhappy with. It may be slower than we want, but healthier and more likely to *stick* long term.

Have you considered doing exactly your calculated numbers at 460/2302? It may not have worked in the past, but it may now. I know shaking things up for me has been key. That nice wide swing between UD and DD calories is the real magic. You could try that for about a month (I really think it can take that long to get things going) and see what happens. As long as you don't gain at those levels, it's worth giving it a good try.

I want you to succeed, and I hope JUDDD can do it for you. You have done an amazing job already losing.

How much of a calorie swing is required to get the most benefit?
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Old 08-01-2013, 01:02 PM   #6
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Well, they say at least 1000, but my gut feeling is that the more the better, within your calorie allowances of course. I have done the best overall with low DDs and slightly higher UDs.
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Well im glad to read that you are still here even if your struggling.. I am kind of curious as to what foods you do eat.. I know i know JUDDD is not about the item but the calorie amount.. So please forgive me if i am being to bold as to ask if you have considered removing certain things from your calorie count.. I have been JUDDDING not like the rest of the girls.. the only way i was able to make this woe work for me, was to remove almost all processed foods.. i feel better, and it made this plan work for me..So perhaps if your willing to try something a tad different maybe that could give you the results your looking for?


And more important... CONGRATS on losing 60 whopping pounds!!! you have concurred those pounds and will continue to get the rest off.. i know it..
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Old 08-01-2013, 01:23 PM   #8
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Karen, I know you have seriously struggled with this. When did you last stick to the "Drs" numbers for a few weeks?

I remember Pat suggesting you dropped you UD calories, and that really helped for a while.

Just trying to find out where things are...
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I was also going to suggest going right to your calculated numbers for awhile and see what happens. I find I lose best like LCG, with lower DDs & slightly elevated UDs than the calculator suggests.

HUGE congrats on losing that 60#! I understand how horribly frustrating it can be when you're trying so hard & not seeing the results you want, though. Please keep posting so we can help!
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Hi Karen,

One amazing thing not to lose sight of is that you have already lost 146 pounds, which is just phenomenal.

I agree with Carol (LowCarbGal) that 60 pounds in a year, even if it's less than what you envisioned, is really good. It's the kind of rate that is easier to keep off, that results in less loose skin, and is just easier on the body than super fast weight loss.

That being said, I totally understand wanting and needing to see progress. That is important to our psyche and our motivation to stick to plan. Some ideas for you:

- try the calculator numbers exactly and stick with it for at least two weeks and see what happens
- go to maintenance mode for awhile. A few of us have done this and found that it either kicked us into weight loss mode again (inexplicably!) or gave us a mental/physical rest that made it easier to lose when we went back into weight loss mode.

It's possible your body is adjusting to the amazing losses you've had already, too. But I know (from experience!) how frustrating this is, feeling stuck when you're doing everything right. My best advice is to stay the course. I adopted the British slogan "keep calm and carry on" because I felt like the most important thing, no matter what the stupid scale says, is not to give up and to keep going. You've already shown incredible persistence and that will carry you over this plateau.

p.s. do you see any pattern at all to the gains and losses? Sometimes I can't make sense of it, but other times I get valuable info.

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Hi Karen, and congratulations on 60 lbs lost!! That's pretty amazing in itself. Especially only dieting EOD. I know you feel you have so much to lose, but like everyone has said, the turtle wins in the end. We all want to get to our goal as quickly as possible (preferrably as soon as we decide to lose weight ), but when reality sets in, and the race to the finish is more like a crawl, it's hard to keep our motivation. One way to look at it is that you are steadily decreasing, and that's preferable to increasing, or staying overweight. Try some of what the other JB's have suggested. It can't hurt, and what other diet can you live with so easily?
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At my current weight (270), my calories are 460/2302 at 20%. I've been doing about 700-800/1800. Just trying to see what happens.

Not sure what to do now. I know that I can lose, because I do. Then over the next few days, it comes right back, then goes down again, etc., etc., Same song, different day.

Help.
Try 400/2200 just to see or 450/2300
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Perhaps after a verry large weight loss like yours some of the guidelines need to be changed. Have you thought about asking Dr. Johnson. I believe he has been known to answer questions.
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Well, they say at least 1000, but my gut feeling is that the more the better, within your calorie allowances of course. I have done the best overall with low DDs and slightly higher UDs.
Im doing my dd at 500 or less. What is low that you speak of? I just want to make this work .
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Debbie! Great to see you!

Just want to say that low DDs (which I think means less than your 20% figure) have been helpful for some, but are by no means a requirement to have success on JUDDD. I think a 500 cal DD is great, and from my point of view the best DD calorie number is the one you can stick to and feel good on and lose well on long term. Many people seem to find that place with the 20% no exercise DD calorie figure. Others really enjoy or have great success with going even lower than that, as low as they can. Other people actually found they lost more quickly with a higher DD, such as 35%.

So if you like the idea of going low, go for it, but there's no need to change your DD unless you haven't lost well (pounds or inches) for at least 2 or 3 weeks, and you've been sticking to your numbers carefully.
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Debbie! Great to see you!

Just want to say that low DDs (which I think means less than your 20% figure) have been helpful for some, but are by no means a requirement to have success on JUDDD. I think a 500 cal DD is great, and from my point of view the best DD calorie number is the one you can stick to and feel good on and lose well on long term. Many people seem to find that place with the 20% no exercise DD calorie figure. Others really enjoy or have great success with going even lower than that, as low as they can. Other people actually found they lost more quickly with a higher DD, such as 35%.

So if you like the idea of going low, go for it, but there's no need to change your DD unless you haven't lost well (pounds or inches) for at least 2 or 3 weeks, and you've been sticking to your numbers carefully.
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I haven't been at it as long as you have, but I totally understand how you feel. I have been bouncing around the same 5lbs as well. Going on two months now.

One thing I have been thinking of, is you mention trying LC again. But have you thought about changing things up like that and trying something else whether it is LC or some other Low cal/fat type of diet? Just to put yourself in a totally different eating pattern and seeing if that's what your body was looking for? I think what I am learning is that no matter what diet I do I start out great and then eventually hit a stall. I am doing OK with JUDDD right now, but, not nearly as well as others on this board. I've thought about jumping back into WW for a while and seeing if that would jumpstart things, and maybe coming back to JUDDD after a few months of that. I don't know. Just a thought. I think my body likes a change. I don't know if that is scientifically or metabolically possible, but I swear my body just gets used to whatever I'm doing after a while and I have to do something to give it a jolt. I don't really want to go back to LC either because I have never had good long term results with that, but a month or so might not be a bad idea? Lastly what about exercise? Starting or upping an exercise program might help out breaking a stall (it has definitely helped me before).
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I've found, for me, that I had to take about 200-250 off my UD cals and add them to my DD cals to get the perfect weight loss results last time.
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Thanks Chris and Flutter, I read today to stick to 500 the first 2 weeks for sure so I need to just settle down and enjoy this. NO need to fix what isnt broken, Im sure it will come soon enough having to alter something.
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Im doing my dd at 500 or less. What is low that you speak of? I just want to make this work .
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Thanks Chris and Flutter, I read today to stick to 500 the first 2 weeks for sure so I need to just settle down and enjoy this. NO need to fix what isnt broken, Im sure it will come soon enough having to alter something.
I didn't go any lower than 500 for probably my first 2 or 3 months. Then I slowly lowered them. I lost just fine at those levels. Then as I have gotten better at this, and lighter, I've reduced them to the 280 - 380 levels, usually in the 350 range. It hasn't been hard and has evolved naturally. I never, EVER thought it would be possible early on though.

I think you're smart to start at 500, and only lower them when you feel comfortable, and when you need to, meaning weight loss has slowed or stopped. No need to suffer needlessly. I do believe a fairly wide swing between UD and DD is important for me, but may not be so much for others.
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Thank you all for your posts.

Yes, I have considered trying another plan for a while and see what happens. I have gone so far as to research other diet plans but haven't found one that looks like I could stick to. There is weight watchers, of course, but I wanted to see what the plan is like and what options there are, and Weight Watchers, being the money hog it is, won't let you see the plan online without paying first. Not gonna happen.

In order for me to try something else...if it is restricted calories, I need to find out what my calorie level should be to begin with. Which has been my problem on JUDDD also.
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You can get the WW plans from Amazon cheap on kindle (if you don't have a kindle, amazon has a free kindle app for your computer or phone).
Also, google weight watchers blogs. There are a lot of them and many give the plan details.
But basically WW (which I think is a good plan if you can lose just counting calories) is a calorie counting plan. Their "points" assignments just make it easier to track your intake by assigning a point value to foods.
There are also downloadable points calculators. You could plan your days food on another tracker (like the ones available from LCF's tools page: http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/ma...available.html ) then put the totals into the calculator and see how many points it totals.
Just google weight watchers points calculator download and there are several free ones
Anyway, just a starting point without having to buy the plan, unless you want to
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