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Old 07-10-2013, 05:49 AM   #1
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Getting Back On The JUDDD Bus, The Long Way Round

Hi everyone, I'm not new to JUDDD but I am kinda new to this forum, although I admit to being a lurker for some time, initially I thought everyone here was LC JUDDD and I can't do low carb eating for more than 10 minutes.

I happily JUDDDED (word?) for about 8 weeks at the beginning of the year and got rid of 12 lbs or so, then life got turned upside down and I've recently relocated to Cairo, Egypt, so weeks of takeaways, no DD's, no routine and living in a hotel for a month took their toll, call it stress, call it a big excuse but since we've settled here I've found it really tough to get through a DD, which I was shocked at as I really thought I had them licked, so then I took the wrong bus at the station and visited just about every diet plan going for the last 2 months and the result was, I was my heaviest in about 18 months (203lbs). Alarm bells went off, time to get serious I thought, been back to JUDDD now for about a week (now 197lbs) and really want to see off this last 28lbs that have been haunting me for the last 8 years when I came down from 343lbs to 195 ish.

Since reading through many of your wonderful posts I realise there is actually quite a bit I wasn't following properly on JUDDD, I only did ADF for the first week and then switched to 4:3, I was getting around 1.5lbs a week loss on average, I find strict alternates very difficult to manage in my routine, but I wasn't counting UPs at all, can anyone comment on the 4:3 routine and whether ADF yields better results and does everyone count on UPS?

Thanks everyone, you seem like a lovely community here x
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Old 07-10-2013, 06:19 AM   #2
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Some people do fine with 4:3, while others need the EOD rotations to lose well. I prefer EOD, but that's just me. The beauty of JUDDD is that it can be worked into almost any lifestyle. I always advocate counting on UDs, at least until you know what you "actually" consume rather than what you "think" you consume. It can be eye-opening. I personally have to count UDs even now, or I would easily go well over my 1750 allotment. I'm one of those "lucky" people who can eat 2000 calories in one meal if I'm not careful.

I've always wanted to visit Cairo.
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OH my, you have had some life changes lately, hmmm? Good for you starting back up again now! I have done strict EOD rotations since starting last Nov. (except for vacations!) I count calories on both UD & DD. It helps keep me accountable, and also is something to fall back on if I seem to "stall" or want to look back at when things were working well, or not so well! Sometimes I find I need to eat MORE, sometimes I need to reign it in, but counting cals both days has been hugely beneficial to me.

If you were losing 1.5#/week before, though, it seems to me that you were doing really well whichever way you were doing it!

Welcome and please do chime in whenever you want! For me, this wonderful place & peeps have been essential to staying on plan and just gaining love & support.
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Hi there and Well done on your losses so far and getting back into onederland

I find i lose best with alternate days but do have the odd time where i do more than one UD in a row due to socialising, it doesn't seem to have made much difference to my losses so far. I count on both up and down days.

I look forward to your posts from Cairo!
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! Cairo does sound like such an interesting place. I'd love to hear more about it from you.

I have done ADF from the beginning, only switching up when my schedule needed it, which has only been a few times so far. I also count every day. I could easily go way over my allotted UD calories if I didn't watch myself.

It sounds like you're doing just great so far. So keep doing what works for you and your life. I'll look forward to hearing more from you as you go along.
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Old 07-10-2013, 09:54 AM   #6
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Thank you everyone for the warm welcome.

I think I might try and stick with my 4:3, but I can see the benefit on counting UPS as I am also one of the "lucky people", I lost most of my big weight from CC so it's not like I have an excuse really, it's hard to do in Egypt though as food packaging rules (or rules in general) don't seem to apply here, in fact you're lucky to get an ingredients list! Still on that basis it should keep me to generic foods, I home cook every night except the weekend (Friday /Sat here), so no excuses again. Ramadan has also just begun so there will be no Friday lunches out for the next 4 weeks either..........ok seems I am fresh out of excuses for not giving this a 100% shot.

Cairo, what a shame I had to arrive just as revolution 2.0 started, we were aware of it when we accepted the offer to move after 5 years in the United Arab Emirates, but back in March things here were not too bad, now I've not been out of the house for almost 3 weeks, it's not really safe at the moment, I can see the pyramids from my house but can't actually go and see them, a real pain as I love the history of the place and had rather imagined swanning around in my off white linen safari style gear pretending I was on a dig in the late 1800's, currently our company is on alert level 2, if it goes higher than 2 we get evacuated from a military airport on a charter plane ( sounding a little Indiana Jones again!!), still it is what it is and I am trying my best not to really think about it.

Looking forward to getting to know everyone here and getting onwards and downwards!
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Be safe over there with all the hari kari going on!
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Lanarkwitch. I have to ask, is the name for your origins/favourite place or Alasdair Gray?

Definitely interesting times in Cairo. Yikes.

DH and I do approx. 4:3 as M, W, F = DD and Tues, Thurs = UD with the weekend as UD/MD or MD/UD as fits our social and sports commitments. We count on UDs.

I'd agree with the others that there is no one true method that suits everybody except that JUDDD is what it is, a tremendously flexible, liveable schedule within which you eat as you wish. However you tailor JUDDD to best support your lifestyle, health and weight loss is the right type of JUDDD for you.

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Welcome and what an exciting life you lead!!!

I think JUDDD is a very flexible plan--you do what you tolerate and what your body thrives on. You know? LC or no LC. I don't think most of the Buddds are LC?

I'm happy you're hear and know you will work your schedule out!!
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That is what is great about JUDDD, it is all about what works for you. I tend to like EOD, because it helps me to get through the DD when I have something to look forward to My mother finds two or three DD's in a row to be easier for her It also works LC, calorie counting, vegetarian whatever If you have a special occasion or something you can move your UD's and DD's around how ever you need to and it all works
Experiment a little and find what you like best and have fun with it I know you will do great
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I hope you continue to stay safe over there in Egypt
I lost all the weight with strict EOD rotations. My maintenance plan was for fixed DD on MWF, but after a month of that I had lost another 3 pounds so I switched to 5:2. With EOD I lost 7-10 pounds per month so lost half the amount with 4:3, but still lost.

I want to lose another 6-8 pounds so I've gone back to eod. I don't count on UD any more, but I did in the beginning until I knew for certain that I wasn't going over on any kind of regular basis. Now with that being said, I'm very aware of the calories in the things I eat on a regular basis so I'm rarely just eating with total abandon. I often fast till after 1pm (beside coffee w/ creamer) if not later on my UD so I have all or most of my calories left for dinner and a bedtime snack so for that reason I also don't have to worry about going over my 1580.

JUDDD is very flexible and livable and we all make it work for us in our own way.
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I do every other day, as I am still losing. I like the discipline of it. I do NOT count calories on my Up Days, but I DO eat low carb. I've been JUDDDing for just over 4 months now, and am liking it more and more. My husband joined me, and two of our kids are trying it: my eldest daughter is doing 5:2 for weight loss, and my son is trying EOD for the health benefits. And this is a great community for support and companionship.
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Be safe over there with all the hari kari going on!
I stay indoors and avoid it all, although have a grocery shop today, so not looking forward to that

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Lanarkwitch. I have to ask, is the name for your origins/favourite place or Alasdair Gray?

Definitely interesting times in Cairo. Yikes.

DH and I do approx. 4:3 as M, W, F = DD and Tues, Thurs = UD with the weekend as UD/MD or MD/UD as fits our social and sports commitments. We count on UDs.

I'd agree with the others that there is no one true method that suits everybody except that JUDDD is what it is, a tremendously flexible, liveable schedule within which you eat as you wish. However you tailor JUDDD to best support your lifestyle, health and weight loss is the right type of JUDDD for you.

Good luck!
I am from Lanarkshire originally and back in the day the first message boards I ever posted on were new age ones, so Lanarkwitch was born and I have kept that ever since, I love Lanark and the Clyde valley in Scotland it's a very beautiful place

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Welcome and what an exciting life you lead!!!

I think JUDDD is a very flexible plan--you do what you tolerate and what your body thrives on. You know? LC or no LC. I don't think most of the Buddds are LC?

I'm happy you're hear and know you will work your schedule out!!
Still working on a new schedule and trying to see how I can make one of my UD's a MD maybe?

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That is what is great about JUDDD, it is all about what works for you. I tend to like EOD, because it helps me to get through the DD when I have something to look forward to My mother finds two or three DD's in a row to be easier for her It also works LC, calorie counting, vegetarian whatever If you have a special occasion or something you can move your UD's and DD's around how ever you need to and it all works
Experiment a little and find what you like best and have fun with it I know you will do great
Unfortunately every Thursday night and Friday all day is a special occasion, I am Scottish and DH is Irish, unfortunately we are stereotypical of how we spend out free time

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I lost all the weight with strict EOD rotations. My maintenance plan was for fixed DD on MWF, but after a month of that I had lost another 3 pounds so I switched to 5:2. With EOD I lost 7-10 pounds per month so lost half the amount with 4:3, but still lost.

I want to lose another 6-8 pounds so I've gone back to eod. I don't count on UD any more, but I did in the beginning until I knew for certain that I wasn't going over on any kind of regular basis. Now with that being said, I'm very aware of the calories in the things I eat on a regular basis so I'm rarely just eating with total abandon. I often fast till after 1pm (beside coffee w/ creamer) if not later on my UD so I have all or most of my calories left for dinner and a bedtime snack so for that reason I also don't have to worry about going over my 1580.

JUDDD is very flexible and livable and we all make it work for us in our own way.
Yes like you I find on UD's I am not quick to eat, prob because I like routine and I don't have breakfast or lunch really on a DD so I tend to eat most of my cals in the evenings, although I've not been counting I do eat the same things all the time and would be suprised if I was going over my 1900 or so for ups.

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I do every other day, as I am still losing. I like the discipline of it. I do NOT count calories on my Up Days, but I DO eat low carb. I've been JUDDDing for just over 4 months now, and am liking it more and more. My husband joined me, and two of our kids are trying it: my eldest daughter is doing 5:2 for weight loss, and my son is trying EOD for the health benefits. And this is a great community for support and companionship.
Wow thats a real family affair then, well done for getting everyone on board, my poor DH raises his eyes to heaven when dieting or WOE is mentioned, he's been low carb for 8 years, I can't do it for 8 mins!
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I've learned to multiquote yaayy!! I didn't want anyone to think I was being rude!

So scales this morning after 1 week back on 4:3 (I am a Thursday weigher, before weekend damage gets done and subsequently undone before next week), down 7.2lbs and weighed 196 dead on, I am really pleased with that as my very first week I lost 6.6lbs so this is a new record! Actually I am a daily weigher! I expect I might still see a post weekend bounce to 200 but looking back at stats would cross fingers for 193 next week, significant for us in the UK as it means I will be out of the 14st bracket and back into the 13's.

I lay in bed (waiting on email with exam results coming through, I am in my 2nd year of my bachelors, which I started at the ripe old age of 39) and think I might have come up with a plan for my 4:3 rotations, I will stick to the DD's that work for me:

Fri: UD 1962 cals
Sat: DD 392 cals
Sun: MD 1177 cals
Mon: DD 392 cals
Tue: UD 1962 cals
Wed: DD:392 cals
Thu: UD 1962 cals

So thats 3 DD/UD and one MD, its the best I can do for a rotation that I know I will stick to which is the important part, trying to restrict Thu/Fri would end in a fail I am sure.

Really excited now and feel a renewed sense of purpose about JUDDD just sorry I wasted the last 2 months messing around with other plans when I knew all along this worked well for me, you guys are really inspirational and thanks for all the support.
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I have been doing JUDDD for about 7 weeks, I have been doing EOD rotations and have lost about 15lb's I havent been counting on UD's and have been eating anything I want (well over my allotted 2000 calories) but have been completely fasting on my DD's.
I am going to start doing 500/2000 soon though and start counting but will be sticking with EOD rotations.
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I'm going to chip in and say, definitely your body, your way of living JUDDD and I'm concerned at the Sat-Mon sequence of DD MD DD. For the <800kcals involved, and given you'll be living this way for at least a few months, if not years/decades, I wonder if a longer-term view would support you in having your Sunday as an UD rather than MD. I also wonder if it might be better for you if you have very sociable Thursdays and Fridays.

I don't like repeated sequences of DD or even these three days together (once in a while for logistical reasons is understandable). We have some different opinions on this here and experiences and they're expressed in some threads, one of which is: Double DDs

On a separate topic, do you know any of the UAE ex-pats here: UK/Expats July
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I'm going to chip in and say, definitely your body, your way of living JUDDD and I'm concerned at the Sat-Mon sequence of DD MD DD. For the <800kcals involved, and given you'll be living this way for at least a few months, if not years/decades, I wonder if a longer-term view would support you in having your Sunday as an UD rather than MD. I also wonder if it might be better for you if you have very sociable Thursdays and Fridays.

I don't like repeated sequences of DD or even these three days together (once in a while for logistical reasons is understandable). We have some different opinions on this here and experiences and they're expressed in some threads, one of which is: Double DDs

On a separate topic, do you know any of the UAE ex-pats here: UK/Expats July
I have actually always done Sat/Mon/Wed as DD's and the others as full UD's, however as the weekend does tend to be very sociable it can take the vast majority of the week for post weekend water weight to go, although I am trying to up my B vitamins as water weight is a long standing issue since I lost the big weight a few years ago, bounces of 5-7lbs over the weekend are not uncommon for me so I am keen to do an MD and see if it makes an overall difference. I have my daily stats from when I started JUDDD at the beginning of the year so only time will tell if the MD yields better results, it's hard to know because I wasn't counting calories on UD's but suspect I was often over on Fridays and under on the other 2 days. Only time will tell so I'll give it a bash for a month or so and see where it gets me, if I'm finding it too hard I can always reassess the situation. In the past I've tried just about ever permutation of IF you can think of and I've tried a DDD once or twice, the results were no better overall for the week so I have no intention of doing them ever again!
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No I can't say I met any of those ladies in my time in Abu Dhabi, but it's possible I know them online from the main forum in Abu Dhabi, oh how I miss it there.
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Blondie & Blotto are fortunate enough to live in Abu Dhabi, I get to live in gorgeous Oman, but in the very quiet Salalah!

I appreciate the whole social Thursday evening/Friday issue - I come up against it every other week! Not easy. My thoughts are manage it when you can! But do have a plan! I sometimes choose to do a Fast 5 on days that are DD but where I know I'm expected to 'eat & drink'. Fast 5 amounts to my fasting all day and eating within a 5 hour period - it's not a perfect solution though. Then on the next day, an UD, I try to eat as late as possible, ie perhaps lunch time? I have no science to back up how I do it - although there is a lot out there about Fast 5 - but it generally helps - at least I'm making choices, not just eating!

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Blondie & Blotto are fortunate enough to live in Abu Dhabi, I get to live in gorgeous Oman, but in the very quiet Salalah!

I appreciate the whole social Thursday evening/Friday issue - I come up against it every other week! Not easy. My thoughts are manage it when you can! But do have a plan! I sometimes choose to do a Fast 5 on days that are DD but where I know I'm expected to 'eat & drink'. Fast 5 amounts to my fasting all day and eating within a 5 hour period - it's not a perfect solution though. Then on the next day, an UD, I try to eat as late as possible, ie perhaps lunch time? I have no science to back up how I do it - although there is a lot out there about Fast 5 - but it generally helps - at least I'm making choices, not just eating!

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I would take quiet Salalah over Cairo at the mo!

Funny you should mention Fast 5, when I first started JUDDD I actually gravitated towards that on the the whole because I do like routine in my life and I find the UD/DD thing can mess with my head a bit, but I wasn't disciplined enough to do it every day and found it hard to have no cals at all, even a LC hot choc would keep me going in the day, I also found I can fairly put it away in the 5 hour window, but it does work well for a Thursday as it doesn't need to be a full up day as you say it's just the evening bit, absolutely pointless trying to make a Friday anything but an UP, its the one day that DH is guaranteed to be off and we like to get out and about.
I've tried just about all the IF plans, windows 24hr fasts etc etc, but for losses I find the full DD works best, that said that was prob before I realised what you eat on UD's is more important than the DD's!
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Well it looks like my B vitamin theory was right enough, I am up just 2.8lbs after my 2 weekend UD's, thats a record, except for my PH week when I lost just under a lb, coincidentally potatoes fit the B vitamin idea pretty well, so I really feel I am on to something now, did well over my 2 UD's and stayed within cals and no fast food or eating out, I feel mildly angelic this morning!
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Good to see that you've run an expt. and gathered some useful data that may help you to design the best plan for you and your lifestyle.

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Old 07-13-2013, 06:15 AM   #25
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Good to see that you've run an expt. and gathered some useful data that may help you to design the best plan for you and your lifestyle.

Is public life (aka rioting) quieting down?
I wish I could say things were getting better in Cairo but they're not

We had to postpone the grocery shop due to yet more planned demonstrations and the British Embassy update was no non essential travel again, we are going today to stock up before we head home for a 3 week vacation, depending on how things develop over that time I may decide to stay back in the UK for a while, because it's driving me insane being stuck in the house and I had a total emotional meltdown about it last night, I should have spent the weekend celebrating passing my 2nd year exams, instead I was stuck home feeling very sorry for myself!

Theres something about the JUDDD way of eating that makes me pay more attention to what my body is telling me, I've finally learned to listen to it, the water weight was just one symptom and it had been going on too long.
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Old 07-13-2013, 06:16 AM   #26
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Old 07-13-2013, 11:52 PM   #27
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Oh my what a tough DD yesterday, I was so hungry in bed last night it's a wonder I didn't eat the pillow, woke up equally starving, but waited a while and had some low carb porridge which has done the trick nicely, I hope my previous experience holds up, as any days I've had like that in the past have resulted in a visit from the whoosh fairy!
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Old 07-14-2013, 07:12 AM   #28
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Theres something about the JUDDD way of eating that makes me pay more attention to what my body is telling me, I've finally learned to listen to it... .
Yes!

I also think JUDDDing is teaching me true patience for the first time in my life.
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Old 07-14-2013, 10:54 AM   #29
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Yes!

I also think JUDDDing is teaching me true patience for the first time in my life.
Its a sort of relief isn't it
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