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Old 06-17-2013, 11:33 AM   #91
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I'm back on the HWC bandwagon for my DD's again! It really simplifies things and when I tried it helped with the water weight.



Did they actually have HWC? I've never been brave enough to ask, even when I was vlc, I'd just use half and half.
Yep they do! You just have to ask for it and deal with them when they give you a funny face.
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My first DD in a few weeks and it's going well. I wasn't able to stay as LC this past week (family vacation - does it to me every time) as I'd hoped.

So far, all I've had today is one cup of coffee w/1T HWC and am sipping on some Chai tea w/1t HWC. I do have my beloved YoCheese pudding waiting for a late afternoon snack and will have more coffee w/cream later.

Drinking lots of water to help flush out the carbs I ate. Man, I can tell such a difference when I eat carbs , even after just a couple of weeks ditching them.
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Many vitamins for seniors or men do not contain iron or it's low doseage. Reading the labels should provide the information you need. It seems reasonable that it would be ok to take one of these on the DD's and save the iron ones for UDs. Check with your M.D. first, of course.

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I've been looking through these recipes Atkins Friends Recipe Room - A bunch of Egg Nogs

I don't really understand the portion sizes so for all I know I may be recommending a DD snack of 2 thimbles of eggnog. (Recipe 3 looks relatively low cal for this.) Would an eggnog work well if it were extended with a little water/ice and glucomannan? (If no one can think why this would be A Bad Idea then I may try it for DH over the weekend.)
This reminds me of one of the Monty Python movies where someone asks for a "thimble full of mueslix".


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I had some coffee with HWC this morning with plans to have a protein shake this evening, but I may try this.

You are doing great! Today will be HWC DD for me.

The man at starbucks this morning looked at me funny when I asked for HWC.
I wonder what they would say if I ask for precisely 2 T of HWC at Dunkin Donuts?
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I'm on for tomorrow's DD - going to try the HWC DD. Thanks everyone for all of the great information!!! you guys!

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I hadn't had anything to eat by about 2 pm yesterday so I decided to try this, subbing coffee with 1 chamomile tea and 1 diet hot chocolate with 2 tbsp hwc each. I did eat a few bites of veggies and sour cream dip but not more than 100 calories.

Woke up this morning to a very unexpected 4 lb loss. Of course I just got back a week ago from a 5 UD Vacation so it may be bloat weight but still good results and apparently has nothing to do with the caffeine content.
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Very very interesting ! I do not like coffee at all, not really a tea drinker either. I am interested though! I don't really do any hot drinks. I will follow this and see if I can figure out a way to get the cream in something else. Thrilled it is helping so many of you! I love hearing about the "tricks of the trade."
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I found a great fat bomb recipe at the Blog, Until the Fat Lady Sings (Rachel Cobb)
One important note to point out here is this recipe appears to be both Gluten and Dairy Free. Not sure how the caffeine in the cocoa would compare with regular coffee.

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¼ cup cocoa powder
6 Tablespoons canned coconut milk – Native Forest brand has no BPA in the lining, FYI
2 Tablespoons Virgin Coconut Oil
3 - 6 Tablespoons nut butter: I like to use 3 Tbls coconut butter, and the rest almond or peanut butter
1 Tablespoon finely chopped nuts, I used pecans here in Louisiana
Stevia to taste, I used 20 drops of NuNaturals liquid vanilla stevia or 1/4 teaspoon NuNaturals powdered** see note above
½ cup coconut flakes, toasted under a broiler while watching carefully, about 30 seconds
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Combine cocoa powder, coconut milk, and stevia in a small saucepan and stir. The cocoa will not mix in. Heat over medium-low heat, stirring constantly with a rubber spatula, until smooth. Remove from heat and add the nut butter. Whisk or beat on low speed together until combined. Whisk in coconut oil. Stir in nuts, and most of the coconut flakes. Reserve some for topping. Spoon into 5 cupcake papers evenly and top with remaining coconut. Arrange on a plate and place in freezer until hardened. Then, transfer to refrigerator. Eat straight from refrigerator, they will melt at room temperature. Makes 5; 3g effective carbs each, and 18.8g good-for-you fat if you use peanut butter and pecans, slightly less if you sub walnuts for pecans. If you use cashew butter & pecans/walnuts, 4.25 ECC/4.15 ECC respectively.

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Very very interesting ! I do not like coffee at all, not really a tea drinker either. I am interested though! I don't really do any hot drinks. I will follow this and see if I can figure out a way to get the cream in something else. Thrilled it is helping so many of you! I love hearing about the "tricks of the trade."
There was a time when I drank diet soda that I would stir in cream and pretend it was an ice cream soda. I remember I liked diet orange with hwc or a diet chocolate. Perhaps that would work?
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I found a great fat bomb recipe at the Blog, Until the Fat Lady Sings (Rachel Cobb)
One important note to point out here is this recipe appears to be both Gluten and Dairy Free. Not sure how the caffeine in the cocoa would compare with regular coffee.

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¼ cup cocoa powder
6 Tablespoons canned coconut milk – Native Forest brand has no BPA in the lining, FYI
2 Tablespoons Virgin Coconut Oil
3 - 6 Tablespoons nut butter: I like to use 3 Tbls coconut butter, and the rest almond or peanut butter
1 Tablespoon finely chopped nuts, I used pecans here in Louisiana
Stevia to taste, I used 20 drops of NuNaturals liquid vanilla stevia or 1/4 teaspoon NuNaturals powdered** see note above
½ cup coconut flakes, toasted under a broiler while watching carefully, about 30 seconds
a wire whisk or hand beater
cupcake papers


Combine cocoa powder, coconut milk, and stevia in a small saucepan and stir. The cocoa will not mix in. Heat over medium-low heat, stirring constantly with a rubber spatula, until smooth. Remove from heat and add the nut butter. Whisk or beat on low speed together until combined. Whisk in coconut oil. Stir in nuts, and most of the coconut flakes. Reserve some for topping. Spoon into 5 cupcake papers evenly and top with remaining coconut. Arrange on a plate and place in freezer until hardened. Then, transfer to refrigerator. Eat straight from refrigerator, they will melt at room temperature. Makes 5; 3g effective carbs each, and 18.8g good-for-you fat if you use peanut butter and pecans, slightly less if you sub walnuts for pecans. If you use cashew butter & pecans/walnuts, 4.25 ECC/4.15 ECC respectively.
I usually do the easy peasy fat bombs. This does sound delicious though!

A quick calorie estimate comes in at 1133 for the whole shebang (for 3 T of nut butter), so 227 for one. 1412 if you use 6 T of nut butter, and 282 for one (assuming it's a serving of 5).

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Very very interesting ! I do not like coffee at all, not really a tea drinker either. I am interested though! I don't really do any hot drinks. I will follow this and see if I can figure out a way to get the cream in something else. Thrilled it is helping so many of you! I love hearing about the "tricks of the trade."
Yes, like Goner, I mix the HWC in my diet DR pepper and it is a lovely creamy soda. I would definitely substitute this instead of coffee when/where needed!
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Has anyone tried the HWC DD using decaf coffee instead of caffeinated (I am caffeine sensitive)? If so, what were your results?
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I'm on for tomorrow's DD - going to try the HWC DD. Thanks everyone for all of the great information!!! you guys!

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I'm with you today Kimmie. Going to try for 300 calories, but allow up to 400 in case I'm unsatisfied later in the day.

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I hadn't had anything to eat by about 2 pm yesterday so I decided to try this, subbing coffee with 1 chamomile tea and 1 diet hot chocolate with 2 tbsp hwc each. I did eat a few bites of veggies and sour cream dip but not more than 100 calories.

Woke up this morning to a very unexpected 4 lb loss. Of course I just got back a week ago from a 5 UD Vacation so it may be bloat weight but still good results and apparently has nothing to do with the caffeine content.
Wow! The fat-fast really does work miracles, especially getting water weight off quickly.

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Yes, like Goner, I mix the HWC in my diet DR pepper and it is a lovely creamy soda. I would definitely substitute this instead of coffee when/where needed!
I'm going to have to try that! Also diet root beer, which I even have in the house.

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Has anyone tried the HWC DD using decaf coffee instead of caffeinated (I am caffeine sensitive)? If so, what were your results?
I haven't tried decaf, but I don't know why it wouldn't work just as well. My gut feeling is that this has nothing (or very little) to do with caffeine, and more to do with the fat-fast aspect.
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Old 06-18-2013, 09:22 AM   #104
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It really really does LCG! I did it again yesterday and like magic 2.5 pounds down today. And it's such an easy, calm way to approach a DD, at least for me. No thinking, just coffee (or tea or diet soda) and cream!
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I called Dunkin's and they have light cream, not heavy, which I know is 30 calories a T. They said they put 4 T in a large coffee, so that would be 120 calories, plus a 10 calorie unsweetened flavor shot (coconut). That's what I'm going to get at lunch one day this week, if not today.
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I called Dunkin's and they have light cream, not heavy, which I know is 30 calories a T. They said they put 4 T in a large coffee, so that would be 120 calories, plus a 10 calorie unsweetened flavor shot (coconut). That's what I'm going to get at lunch one day this week, if not today
That sounds so good! Coconut is my favorite flavor there too, I didn't know they had an unsweetened version. I'll have to try that.
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I haven't had anything to eat today, so perhaps a cream day is in order? I had two T of H&H this morning (40), and then if I get that coffee (130)...hopefully it will work with light cream just as well. I have light cream at home too.

ETA: I get how using only liquid as your calories would result in a bigger drop the next day, but doesn't it even out because of the calories...500 of HWC is still 500. I'd like to know if people are sustaining "extra" losses from doing HWC days...
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I haven't tried decaf, but I don't know why it wouldn't work just as well. My gut feeling is that this has nothing (or very little) to do with caffeine, and more to do with the fat-fast aspect.
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I get how using only liquid as your calories would result in a bigger drop the next day, but doesn't it even out because of the calories...500 of HWC is still 500. I'd like to know if people are sustaining "extra" losses from doing HWC days...


This area of physiology/metabolism semi-hurts my head but there is an argument that a fat fast doesn't trigger the release of insulin (gross assumption here about the metabolic health of the individual). In the absence of other dietary substrates (eg, sugar/glucose) then the lack of necessity to release insulin to tidy away extra dietary glucose permits mobilisation of the body's own fat stores. (That's a horrible over-simplification and ignores the role of other hormones.)

There may also be some sodium/water regulation by the kidneys that accounts for some of the losses seen.

However, you'd need a fair amount of data over time from people who have practised this regularly to say anything definitive, particularly if it just relates to DD EOD rotations. There may be such a community and I don't know about them.

ETA: the above doesn't address the 500 calories is 500 calories, whatever the source but I feel this is a huge gap in nutrition/metabolism research that leaves everyone in the realm of opinion based on the scant evidence that is available.

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I haven't had anything to eat today, so perhaps a cream day is in order? I had two T of H&H this morning (40), and then if I get that coffee (130)...hopefully it will work with light cream just as well. I have light cream at home too.

ETA: I get how using only liquid as your calories would result in a bigger drop the next day, but doesn't it even out because of the calories...500 of HWC is still 500. I'd like to know if people are sustaining "extra" losses from doing HWC days...
I feel that I can have more DD calories of just HWC (or other mostly fat food). Plus, for me, the fat keeps me better satisfied than higher bulk carb foods on a DD, which I've tried to make work for me, but just seems to make me hungrier. I do believe in the "metabolic advantage" Dr Atkins discussed. That eating fat helps your body mobilize its own fat, in the absence of other foods, most especially carbs.

I do say this knowing that it doesn't work as well, or feel as comfortable, for everyone. YMMV, once again.
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My *gut* instinct is that *nothing but liquids in = liquids out* and excess urination. Thus, the extra weight loss, or *water* depletion. I don't know the science though, and would love to know if the fat in HWC is really more beneficial than just any liquid, and that the calories from the fat don't add up (same rate of loss, or gain). I am willing to give it a shot, if I can manage to do without food.
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Very very interesting ! I do not like coffee at all, not really a tea drinker either. I am interested though! I don't really do any hot drinks. I will follow this and see if I can figure out a way to get the cream in something else. Thrilled it is helping so many of you! I love hearing about the "tricks of the trade."
I saw a couple of suggestions for diet soda with cream (done that - yum). I'm not crazy about diet sodas as a rule, so I buy the flavored carbonated waters that have 0 everything (cals, carbs, etc.) and put cream in those.

LCG, I'm with you - fat keeps me satisfied. Oh, the irony. Yesterday was my first day back to JUDDD and LC and it's amazing after just one day, how much better I feel! My jeans were snug but this morning they feel much better. I didn't weigh as I'm aiming to just weigh on Saturdays, but I'm looking forward to using mainly HWC on my DDs.

Reminds of "fighting fire with fire" .. "fighting fat with fat."
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I love it! Fighting fat with fat! Yesss!

I'm glad you're back 'Nilla!
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Definitely helped me with some water weight! After yesterday I was down 3 pounds.

and i was extremely satisfied yesterday..already looking forward to tomorrow!
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So awesome ohcmb! I'm sure enjoying my delicious coffee right now.
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I'm glad you're back 'Nilla!
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Carol, and anyone else who has trouble taking Vit D...when i was diagnosed with deficiency, my Dr gave me a 50,000u cap to take once a week, then bi-weekly. I still just take a handful (like 10 1000u caps) once a week. Vit D is absorbed and stored, so you don't need to take it every day.
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Thanks Lynn - I didn't know that. Very interesting. I seem to be okay on the D, I can take it on an empty stomach and feel fine. But if I miss it I won't be afraid to double up the next day.

I've heard about D's beneficial effects on all kinds of autoimmune diseases. About a year ago I read about some studies where they were giving very high doses to Lupus patients and were optimistic. I was going to ask my cousin whether she was aware or had her doctors mentioned it, but sadly she passed away last September from the disease.
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I've heard about D's beneficial effects on all kinds of autoimmune diseases. About a year ago I read about some studies where they were giving very high doses to Lupus patients and were optimistic. I was going to ask my cousin whether she was aware or had her doctors mentioned it, but sadly she passed away last September from the disease.
I'm so sorry about your cousin LCG.

I've read a couple of studies about Vitamin D and autoimmune disease, after reading about a link between low Vitamin D and PCOS.
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I've read a couple of studies about Vitamin D and autoimmune disease, after reading about a link between low Vitamin D and PCOS.
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