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Old 05-26-2013, 08:13 AM   #1
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How long does it take for the "magic" to kick in?

My plan was to switch to JUDDD when I got back in town this past week. I've
done that. Part of my plan was to do 0-calorie DDs at the beginning, because
that's the most comfortable way for me to get an adequate "range" or "spread".
I know from past experience that I need more calories than what I am comfortable
with, in order to lose well. I have to work up to those calories. I am planning on
staying at 0 calories on my DDs for a few weeks in the beginning, until the "magic"
kicks in. I have no appetite as it is, being in ketosis from LCing for nearly 2 months,
so I don't know what type of physical indicators to look for. Anyone able to help?
I "think" I have between a week and 5 weeks to adjust my calories; for some reason
I feel like it takes 2 to 6 weeks to establish the magic in your body? I may be way off-
but I'm only just wrapping up my first week, so I thought now would be the time to
ask.
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Old 05-26-2013, 08:17 AM   #2
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I would say for me it was around week 5 that I started to feel the juddd magic. I had true appetite suppression and the juddd calm. Around that time DDs became fairly effortless and I think I started to have some increase in energy.
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I started on July 11th and started noticing in September ... just what Carly describes, but I especially noticed mental focus and clarity.
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Check out this thread from a few months ago.

JUDDD Magic....how long did it take you to kick in?

The physical indicators besides weight loss that Dr. Johnson mentions in the book are more energy, and reduction in symptoms of any allergies, asthma or arthritis you may have.

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Old 05-26-2013, 03:33 PM   #5
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Thanks all, for your replies. I'm looking for mental clarity, increased energy,
reduction of allergy symptoms. I have no problem on DDs- so I don't think
those are going to get any easier.


I'm having trouble with this. I think I had a rough time getting started last
year when I did this, too. Today has been bad- supposed to be UD but I
got home from church and made tuna salad. With bread, I'm at just a little
under 500 calories. Nothing else since then, and I have less than an hour
left to eat. Going to try again tomorrow. Really, there isn't anything else to
do but try again tomorrow.


It's all mental. If this was the way I really ate, I wouldn't have a weight problem
OR a metabolism problem. I don't know why I'm rebelling against the freedom
to eat a couple days' worth of calories on my UDs. Obviously, I've done it before.
Otherwise <chorus> I wouldn't have a weight problem. Sorry about being whiney.
BUT if anyone has any suggestions for me, I'll gladly consider them! (I am sticking
with my low carb WOE, though.)


This is my 5th DD this week Total of 4786 calories in the past 7 days

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I started to feel the JUDDD magic about 4 wks into the plan, but it just seems to keep getting better and better, as far as increased energy, etc. It seems like folks who do the lowest DDs, especially in the beginning, experience the "magic" faster. I worry that you aren't eating enough, however. I'm sure you'll get into the swing of things soon enough!!!

ETA: It sounds like you need to start eating breakfast, and LC is the most delicious way to do it! If you like coffee, HWC will definitely help you meet your calorie requirements. A light lunch and a snack before your cut-off time and you should be able to get at least *close* to your daily allotment. As it is, not only are you not eating enough for this WOE, but you're not getting enough nutrition for your body.
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Old 05-26-2013, 06:55 PM   #7
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If you don't eat most or all of your UD calories most UDs you aren't doing JUDDD- plain and simple. You are just doing a calorie restricted diet and won't reap the JUDDD magic. The magic is found by having the wide swing and getting good nourishment on your UD. You are not likely to speed up your weight loss long run and you will likely need to eat more soon, but your body will adapt quickly to getting very little. That is the beauty with JUDDD- we eat normally every other day so our body never adjusts to low calories every day. You said yourself that you didn't get overweight by eating 300 calories a day, so you can do it! Enjoy... This plan is awesome! There are no gold metals for starving yourself. We all love JUDDD 'cause eod we don't have to "diet".
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Old 05-26-2013, 07:23 PM   #8
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ETA: It sounds like you need to start eating breakfast, and LC is the most delicious way to do it! If you like coffee, HWC will definitely help you meet your calorie requirements. A light lunch and a snack before your cut-off time and you should be able to get at least *close* to your daily allotment. As it is, not only are you not eating enough for this WOE, but you're not getting enough nutrition for your body.
I don't like cream in my coffee- it's always been "black, no sugar" BUT
maybe tomorrow I can have 2 eggs fried in butter, with cheese on it.
I know I'm having perch at some point tomorrow- it was thawed for
today, but I ran out of appetite before it got cooked. Right now it has
salt & pepper, parsley, garlic powder and lemon slices on it- I guess it
needs butter also? Cole slaw is good with fish- and I have cabbage
already shredded in the fridge, so that would be quick and easy and
about 200 calories. I still have that LC German Chocolate cake in the
fridge- 333 cals/ serving.

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If you don't eat most or all of your UD calories most UDs you aren't doing JUDDD- plain and simple. You are just doing a calorie restricted diet and won't reap the JUDDD magic.
Exactly! This is what my calories were doing on plain lowcarb. This is why
I thought I might be able to organize my lower calorie and higher calorie
days into an EOD rotation- just as a natural, but hopefully, beneficial
tweak. I imagined that staying on my LC woe, it would be so easy to
get the calories up. I need to get used to eating a metric buttload of
calories in a single day. I think it's going to take time.

metric buttload = 2038

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but your body will adapt quickly to getting very little.
Precisely the condition that I'm trying to fix! This is how I get when I'm
stressed- no appetite and perfectly able to function on less than 5000
calories a week. I am not sure I'm reacting to stress, but I'm not sure
that I'm not, either. Going out of town last week really weirded me out.
Maybe I just need to get over that- and force myself to start eating when
I get up, and again every few hours after that.

Thanks for your help, Cindy & Carly! I you both!

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Old 05-26-2013, 07:32 PM   #9
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How about some bacon with those eggs? Yes, add butter to the fish when you cook it for added deliciousness/calories. You could also do a side of tartar sauce...homemade with mayo, dill pickles chopped fine, splash of lemon, worchestershire, garlic powder/spices...or if you use AS and prefer a sweeter sauce you can make it with a teaspoon of splenda.
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Old 05-26-2013, 07:33 PM   #10
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LOL, I'm a genius I don't know why I didn't think of this before-
I'm going back through old threads "UD Monday", "UD Tuesday", etc. and
reading what some other JUDDD Buddds have been eating for UDs. A lot of
them aren't lowcarb, but some are, and some could be adapted.
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Old 05-26-2013, 09:06 PM   #11
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Another bit of insight that just occurred to me

For years, I was a Chat Room admin (on this site). Lots of newbies with
questions, especially in January. A common question was "I'm not hungry
at lunch time- should I eat anyway?" The answer was always "If you're
not hungry at lunch time, it's because you ate too much at breakfast."

I'm seriously thinking that the 1915 calories from Friday and the 480 from
after church were really the only calories that I needed to get me through.
Body doesn't yet understand that there's only going to be food on alternate
days, so there's no inclination to "stock up" so I can get through the next DD.

I may be way off, but I prefer to think this is my problem, rather than stress.
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Pami- do you like nuts? they can add lots of calories and are low carb. You can also be more liberal with fats, when you cook meat or veggies, just use more fat. If you like coconut oil maybe you can eat it off the spoon (I love it, but some people hate it), or make fat bombs with it. Do you like mayo? you can make egg salad, deviled eggs, chickens salad, tuna salad, cole slaw. Mayo can really add lots of calories.
I think if you want to increase your calories and keep it low carb, bulk of your calories should come from fat, fatty protein and nuts.
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Old 05-27-2013, 04:18 AM   #13
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Pami, if you really think the calories from two days ago, plus under 500 calories since are enough to get you through another day, then you might need some help. I mean this in a supportive way, because starvation is really worse than over-eating, sometimes. The goal is to get healthy, not thin through any possible means. I know when you are thinking this way, someone telling you to just eat doesn't really work. Please know that I am concerned, and not judgemental.

ETA: I see that you're getting about 684 average a day. With HCG, that would be about right. Have you considered that? I think you need some added vitamins, and whatever they put in those drops to eat that little without it causing problems.

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Old 05-27-2013, 08:12 AM   #14
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I had 587 calories for breakfast: 2 eggs mixed with 2 tablespoons of CarolynF's
lowcarb milk, salt and pepper. Fried them in 1 tablespoon of butter and topped
with 3 ounces of super sharp white Cheddar.

tobelowcarber: Nuts are OK, I love mayo. I'm planning cole slaw with tonite's
fish. I used to keep deviled eggs in the fridge all the time, but when DBF moved
in, I found out that I can only keep them until he finds them.

Librarygirl:Thanks for your concern I don't know if I really believe that
I can eat 3 days' worth of calories ahead of time; I'm just trying to figure
things out. Right now I feel like a stuffed toad:



On the bright side, I am down 24.5 pounds I just need to start eating
more before I switch over to starvation mode

I set a timer- I'm going to eat a piece of LC German chocolate cake at 1:30.
It's 333 calories. That will help. Then I will have over 5 hours to get in the
next 1118 calories. I might make a diet Sunkist and Pinnacle whipped cream
vodka drink- I think that's about 150 cals. for 1 1/2 oz. Could actually add
a bit of HWC- I bet that would taste GREAT! Tartar sauce with my perch, and
cole slaw- I think I can make my calories today!

Thanks BUDDDS!!!!
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I set a timer- I'm going to eat a piece of LC German chocolate cake at 1:30.
It's 333 calories. That will help. Then I will have over 5 hours to get in the
next 1118 calories. I might make a diet Sunkist and Pinnacle whipped cream
vodka drink- I think that's about 150 cals. for 1 1/2 oz. Could actually add
a bit of HWC- I bet that would taste GREAT! Tartar sauce with my perch, and
cole slaw- I think I can make my calories today!

Thanks BUDDDS!!!!
That sounds like a great plan!
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Not exactly like Marzetti's, but close enough

Got my high calorie, low carb cole slaw in the fridge. I made half a batch:

1 cup mayonnaise
2 Tablespoons red wine vinegar
1 Tablespoon yellow mustard
1/2 teaspoon celery seed (I'm out of celery seeds)
8 drops liquid Splenda- from the .5-ounce bottle

2 pounds cabbage, shredded


Combine dressing ingredients in a large bowl. Mix well.
Stir in cabbage, tossing until all is well-coated with dressing.
Cover and refrigerate several hours or overnight before serving.

Per Serving (based on 8 servings): 228 Calories; 24g Fat (86.2% calories from fat);
2g Protein; 7g Carbohydrate; 3g Dietary Fiber; 10mg Cholesterol; 200mg Sodium.

Divided it into 4 individual gladware containers- so I don't have to measure
and I know I'm getting 228 calories, 4g net carbs
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Wooohooo! I'm at 920 calories, 6g net carbs, and it's not even 2:00 yet!
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See, now that's not bad at all!
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2023 calories, 22g net carbs- I'm done!
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I think I'd prefer a couple drinks over the cake, next UD
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That's my kind of UD, lol!
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2023 calories, 22g net carbs- I'm done!
Great! Cake, drinks, chocolate... That is part of the beauty of JUDDD.
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That drink sounds yummy!
I didn't get to make THAT drink I never managed to get the Diet Sunkist.
Instead, I used A&W Diet Vanilla Creme Soda with the whipped cream vodka
(I usually mix that with vanilla vodka) and it was way better than I expected
I'm definitely getting the Diet Sunkist before next UD!
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I think I'd prefer a couple drinks over the cake, next UD
Now that's MY KIND of JUDDD! Love the couple glasses of wine in the evening of an UD!!
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Thank everyone for the info in this thread and prior ones about the magic of JUDDD. I was wondering what others had been referring to... as a newbie I wasn't sure. Now I look forward to knowing and feeling them.

Since I took a break (vacation) after my first two weeks of JUDDD, I realize it will probably take longer to feel the benefits. For sure I do not have more energy yet, although I have felt bursts of stamina on DDs which were nice. I am finding DDs easier as long as I remember there is an UD no more than 24 hours away. I find in life that attitude takes me farthest when trying to succeed.

Again, thank you for the explanation and experiences - it's keeping me going and HAPPY!
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JUDDD Magic with 4:3 or 5:2?

Will the JUDDD Magic eventually kick in if I am not doing EOD rotations but rather a 4:3 or 5:2 rotation schedule?
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That's a question that's been frequently asked LIG. I don't know the answer because I have not read the 5:2 book. It seems like it would be difficult for it to happen, but maybe. It would be more likely with 4:3, which is naturally what EOD translates to every other week. To be certain, you could do eod for two weeks, then switch to 5:2 or 4:3...or maybe one month of EOD. I'll let the other JB's weigh in on this.

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