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Old 04-20-2013, 05:24 PM   #1
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two things.... shakes on DD and weight loss surgery

I read Johnson's book, and was wondering if anyone used ready to drink shakes in their DDs?

Also I had gastric bypass surgery about 10 years ago. My stomach can handle more food now. But I know that my stomach is still relatively small bc in the morning I can't eat that much and throughout the day the more I eat the more my stomach can handle. I am thinking that if my pouch took a break from eating every other day, I'm wondering if my pouch would naturally start to tighten up again? Thoughts? I haven't started my DD yet! I'm scared of hunger. I know I just need to jump in...
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Old 04-20-2013, 05:32 PM   #2
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There is a WLS group on LCF - that might be a better place to pose that question.
The shake/pre-packaged food question has come up a lot & general consensus is about 50/50. The advantage of the shakes is they are a known entity - you know exactly what you're drinking and it makes counting calories easier. But some people don't like them or don't find them satisfying. So really I think you're going to have to see if they are going to be a viable alternative for you or not by trying them out...or not.
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Old 04-20-2013, 06:01 PM   #3
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I have yet to find a shake that fills me up. I've got protein powder with 25 g of proten, 2 g of sugar, vitamins, etc. I add fruit to it, almond milk and it's good for about a hour...2 tops. I could actually eat a meal immediately after I drink it, unless I'm just not hungry for some reason.
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I didn't do the shakes or bars. I did use prepackaged stuff like Weight Watcher's smart ones or lean cuisine until I got really good with my kitchen scale. I definitely used measuring cups and spoons for things like half and half and cottage cheese, etc... Serving size was a real eye opener. I take way more than 2 T of half and half in my big coffee. If I just pour, it's like a quarter of a cup at least.

If you feel comfortable with weighing and measuring food you don't have to do the shakes or bars.

The WLS question I can't answer. I would encourage you to give it a try. You won't die of hunger, but if it's really more than you can bare you can always just... Eat! You may be really surprised that it's just not so bad. Remind yourself that hunger is not an emergency.
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I am pretty new to Judd but am using shakes. The first couple DD I wasn't - was eating lots of egg whites for protein and such. But I really prefer the shakes. They keep me full for a long time.

I like the EAS carb advantage ones with 17 g of protein and 110 calories, Evolve (no artificial sweeteners) with 110 calories and I think 12 grams protein, and just yesterday bought Pure Protein 110 calories and 23 grams protein (this is the largest one 12 ounces I think). I have heard it is delicious (vanilla) so I will see. The taste of all of them doesn't bother me, it's quick, painless, low cal and lots of protein.

I have checked labels on ALL protein shakes at my stores and these 3 are the lowest cal with lots of protein.

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I am one that did induction with Pure Protein shakes. Easy to count calories and they satisfied me. I still use them on DD's if I am at a goat show or craft show. Much easier than trying to take food. The only flavor my local Wal Mart carries is chocolate so that is the only flavor I have tried.
I know nothing about WLS so can't help there.
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I didn't do the shakes or bars. I did use prepackaged stuff like Weight Watcher's smart ones or lean cuisine until I got really good with my kitchen scale. I definitely used measuring cups and spoons for things like half and half and cottage cheese, etc... Serving size was a real eye opener. I take way more than 2 T of half and half in my big coffee. If I just pour, it's like a quarter of a cup at least.

If you feel comfortable with weighing and measuring food you don't have to do the shakes or bars.

The WLS question I can't answer. I would encourage you to give it a try. You won't die of hunger, but if it's really more than you can bare you can always just... Eat! You may be really surprised that it's just not so bad. Remind yourself that hunger is not an emergency.
I find it almost comical that I'm scared bc I know it's irrational. When I think about people in third world countries who are hungry everyday, I feel almost ashamed that in scared of it.
Do any of you find eating out in social situations difficult?
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One piece of information I got from somewhere that has been surprisingly helpful to me is that true hunger you feel in your chest, not in your stomach. So those stomach grumbles are not real hunger. Once I started thinking of those stomach grumbles as just annoying, I could drink water, or maybe just take a LITTLE bit of something (pickles have been wonderful, same with cucumbers, celery and LOTS of water of course) and it helped immensely.

As for eating out - as long as I don't indulge in alcohol, I am fine. I have iced tea or coffee, and I will order a salad with no dressing. sometimes I will add just vinegar, salt and pepper or salsa. Once the office went for lunch at a vietnamese (or maybe it was thai?) place and I ordered a big bowl of Pho. I drank mostly the broth and took the rest home for my UD. No one really even realized I was hardly eating.
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The satiety of protein shakes might vary from one person to another because of the nature of the protein in them.

I doubt that ready-made shakes have a lot of BCAA (branch chain amino acids) but they can stimulate insulin release for some people. Whey protein has a similar branch pattern to its make-up (crudely speaking) so some people find that it spikes blood glucose and/or insulin for them.

The insulin index listed protein foods that stimulate the release of insulin and beef, fish, and dairy foods are amongst the most insulinogenic of the protein class (so to speak).

An insulin index of foods: http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/66/5/1264.full.pdf

David Mendosa has a reasonable overview of the insulin index and a simple table of the values for the small range of foods tested (can't link).
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I have never found a shake I can digest. I did/do a lot of broth and veggie smoothies. And small salads with a ounce or two of protein.

Don't worry about being scared of hunger. Many of us started that way.

If you are a perfectionist, give yourself permission to eat above 500 calories the first three or four DDs while you adjust and figure out how you need to eat low and feel good on DDs. If you eat 800 calories on those first DDs (I did). You will still be eating below RMR and you will activate sirts. Just make sure you count and work on teaching yourself to recognize what foods satisfy you and what foods trigger hunger. Those lessons are invaluable for losing weight, for maintaining weight loss.

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Fascinating article, SlowSure. Thanks for the link.
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I have never found a shake I can digest. I did/do a lot of broth and veggie smoothies. And small salads with a ounce or two of protein.

Don't worry about being scared of hunger. Many of us started that way.

If you are a perfectionist, give yourself permission to eat above 500 calories the first three or four DDs while you adjust and figure out how you need to eat low and feel good on DDs. If you eat 800 calories on those first DDs (I did). You will still be eating below RMR and you will activate sirts. Just make sure you count and work on teaching yourself to recognize what foods satisfy you and what foods trigger hunger. Those lessons are invaluable for losing weight, for maintaining weight loss.

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I find it almost comical that I'm scared bc I know it's irrational. When I think about people in third world countries who are hungry everyday, I feel almost ashamed that in scared of it.
Do any of you find eating out in social situations difficult?
I don't eat out often on DD, but if I do I have a side house salad with vinegar and salt and maybe a diet coke.

I know a lot of chain restaraunts have a lower cal section on the menu and you can chose to eat half if that helps.
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I have never eaten out on a DD, if you don't count Wendy's. I think you can find 300-500 calorie menu items at some restaurants though.
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I read Johnson's book, and was wondering if anyone used ready to drink shakes in their DDs?

Also I had gastric bypass surgery about 10 years ago. My stomach can handle more food now. But I know that my stomach is still relatively small bc in the morning I can't eat that much and throughout the day the more I eat the more my stomach can handle. I am thinking that if my pouch took a break from eating every other day, I'm wondering if my pouch would naturally start to tighten up again? Thoughts? I haven't started my DD yet! I'm scared of hunger. I know I just need to jump in...
I'm not an expert, i just started JUDDDing...I take the shakes to work with me for DDs(I work night shift) in case my tummy gets really grumbly. If I'm home, i can find something better. I think the Atkins brand tastes best, but the EAS brand is cheaper, has less calories and more vitamins. Those are both lo carb, I haven't checked out any of the other kinds of 'diet shakes', they might taste better.

I think my unaltered stomach has tightened up some, I seem to be getting
fuller faster, and I'm just at 2 weeks tomorrow.

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I also like the pure protein shakes, I think they taste the best of all the pre-packaged ones. And they have the mos protein which, for me, results in satiety.
I also like to make my own, there are tons of threads on smoothies which you can add nutrients or not depending on what you think you need for you.
I have a friend who sells Herbalife and they have a product called, I think, "Personalized Protein Powder" or some such. Its 20 cals for an additional 9 or 10g of protein. Its flavorless so I will often toss a scoop in to whatever shake I'm making at home. It adds lots of protein for not a lot of calories, I find the trade off is worth it. I imagine there is something similar by another brand, I just use Herbalife because I can get it from my friend.
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I think this is a really good WOE for those who are afraid of hunger (I'm not, I've been starving myself since I was a teen, but I'm still obese now), you can really push the sensation, because you KNOW you can eat, so why not just experience the grumblies, put off eating for a few more minutes, a few more minutes, and see if they pass (they do!), look at it as an experiment, a desensitization exercise, rather than deprivation.

Once you see how much better you feel on OED, it will be its own reward! when the grumblies hit, you can sit and plan the lovely things you're going to eat tomorrow...and sigh contentedly.
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I find it almost comical that I'm scared bc I know it's irrational. When I think about people in third world countries who are hungry everyday, I feel almost ashamed that in scared of it.
Do any of you find eating out in social situations difficult?
No, don't feel bad at all about this -- we all went through it! Everyone is scared of the unknown, and, in our 1st-world, decidedly OVERfred country, hunger is something few of us have had to deal with before. I'm talking like an old JUDDD veteran here, but I'm actually only 2 weeks in -- lol. BUT, having said that, let me tell you -- the DD's get SO much easier, and that's a fact. The first three were tough for me (sugar-free jello in the evening is the only way I could quiet the rumblies and get to sleep). Now, they're pretty easy-peasy. All I've had is bullet proof coffee today, and I feel completely indifferent to food. I will have half a marinated chicken breast and some shredded cabbage cooked in chicken broth for lunch and a piece of fish and some canned green beans for dinner. You will discover your DD 'staples' and that also makes it so much easier. Believe it or not (and I NEVER thought I'd say this) -- it's the UD's that are giving me more trouble lately (staying under 2100!)

Also, while not the same as gastric bypass, obviously -- I have a lap band. It enabled me to lose all of 20 lbs. ( ) -- and even that was more low-carb than the band. I have not noticed MUCH difference in stomach capacity (like I said, I can put away 2100+ calories EASY on up days) -- but your mileage may vary.

One more thing -- if hunger's a problem, many of these gals can attest, pterostilbene is your best friend. Good luck to you!
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I agree, don't feel bad about being scared! I was in the beginning too, and I really did think I was nuts for even trying a diet like JUDDD! I play a lot of mind games with myself too, to where I actually enjoy the hungry, empty feeling. I just tell myself that it means my body is eating my own fat stores, and that it's a good feeling. It works for me about 97% of the time! You know you're not going to die of hunger, and think of all the wonderful chemical changes going on in your body that not only help you lose, but improve your health on so many levels.

I hope you'll jump in with us! It's such a wonderful WOE, and the JBs make all the difference in the world. I literally would never have gotten this far without them!
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