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Old 04-29-2013, 02:48 AM   #91
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It's not fat given the calories were not 7000 over so not freaking out just genuinely curious about why we get big bounces sometimes and not others and why some people have a greater tendency to bounce.
I agree with the others, it's sodium/potassium/electrolytes/assorted hormones, shifts in glycogen capacity, sometimes indicative of a little post-exercise inflammation. And, as the others say, it's just a context-free snapshot that provides a number that has to be interpreted within an overall trend.

I can't tolerate more than a small quantity of some fructans (eg, fried onions are fine - fried onions that then go on to be cooked in a stock or tomatoes are not fine because there are troublesome compounds that are soluble in water that aren't in oil). You can see some of my gains 23-24 March that were fructans-related (onions and garlic):

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16 March 144.2lbs (bounce-probably sodium & water levels stabilising)

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23 March 141.6lbs (new low: was day 20 PH)

24 March 146lbs (horror but short-lived)
25 March 142lbs (almost cried in relief)
26 March 141.6lbs (low returns: was day 23 of PH)
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30 March 140.6lbs (new low: was day 27 of PH)
31 March 145.6lbs (migraine led to water gain)
I also tend to be ill so many times during a migraine (eg 30-31 March) that my electrolytes take a few days to stabilise and I gain water.

Water weight, jolly irritating but no big thing if it goes away in a timely fashion.

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Old 04-29-2013, 07:12 AM   #92
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The water weight left already but no extra fat with it yet - keepin on, keepin on!!
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Old 04-29-2013, 01:57 PM   #93
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Reading over the posts about the 3 day rotation and I think I will give this a try in May. I've been stuck in the 80's for far too long. I was doing so well in the Fall and then all Winter I have been gaining and losing the same lbs. I'm going to try to mix it up next month. Looks like it's working for a few of you, hope it helps me.
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Old 04-29-2013, 03:45 PM   #95
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Well, I blew the 3-day rotations and eod. I'm so sick of not showing hardly any losses that I tend to get the aw screw its. Had back to back UDs Sat and Sun, and now my weight (this morning) is 3 lbs over my lowest LAST month. I guess I'm not doing something right. May try a MD again tomorrow.
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Old 04-29-2013, 05:36 PM   #96
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Well, I blew the 3-day rotations and eod. I'm so sick of not showing hardly any losses that I tend to get the aw screw its. Had back to back UDs Sat and Sun, and now my weight (this morning) is 3 lbs over my lowest LAST month. I guess I'm not doing something right. May try a MD again tomorrow.
It's perfectly okay to give yourself a break when you need it. I had a case of aw screw its last week, and went off both LC and 5:2 rotations. I was tired, cranky, and sore from working overtime and just could not deal with any kind of diet restriction.

I did not beat myself up over it and enjoyed the free pizza at work. I restarted LC on Saturday and will aim for at least one DD this week. I'm up 3 lbs from water weight and hated seeing 190 on the scale again, but I know it will come off in time.
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Old 04-29-2013, 05:53 PM   #97
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This is hard stuff we are trying to do!!! Stay strong but give yourself a break too! We'll all be here when you get your mojo back!
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Old 04-29-2013, 11:27 PM   #98
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Carly, enlighten me. So you don't eat until dinner on your UD? Do you eat all of your cals at that one meal? Then you hardly eat anything on your DD? Do you wait until dinner on your DD too?
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Old 05-01-2013, 07:04 AM   #99
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I'm doing the three day rotation experiment! I think I need to shake things up a little. In the past, MDs have tended to be a little difficult, but I'm wondering if as part of a normal rotation they would be better. I like the idea of it. It's really like 5-2 with some lower days in the five, in a way, with some higher days to keep your metabolism up.

I'm trying to stay in a range between the no exercise calories and light exercise calories, so my DDs will be 450 or less, MDs 1200-1350, and UDs 2000-2300. I'm so interested to see what will happen!

Starting with an MD today, which I hope will go ok after a very low calorie DD yesterday, but we'll see how it goes. Excited to shake it up!!
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I was going to start 5:2 next week but instead I think I'll try a modified 3 day rotation. I think I will do DDs on M & Th, MDs on T & F, and UDs on W, Sat & Sun. I was afraid that 5 UDs on 5:2 would be a few too many so this could work out well
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:10 AM   #101
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Yeah! Christina and LifeIsGood2013 are joining the 3 day rotation experiment!! I lost 6 pounds in April with only a partial month on this plan after being stalled for months. I am shooting for 7 pounds in May even with a few family and holiday celebrations that may trip me up!!
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:16 AM   #102
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Yeah! Christina and LifeIsGood2013 are joining the 3 day rotation experiment!! I lost 6 pounds in April with only a partial month on this plan after being stalled for months. I am shooting for 7 pounds in May even with a few family and holiday celebrations that may trip me up!!
Wow that's awesome! What do your cals look like for your dd, md, ud's?
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:21 AM   #103
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typical for me:

DD - 250 but sometimes as high as 400
MD - 1100 ish
UD - 1800 but sometimes 2200 or even higher.

Those high UDs really slow down the weight loss though. I am working on that!

Oh, and I exercise ~ 5x a week.
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:28 AM   #104
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Your numbers look very similar to mine. Do you personally use little to no exercise and 20% for your calculations even though you work out 5x per week? I know everyone counts exercise differently so that is why I said you personally.
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Old 05-01-2013, 06:28 PM   #105
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Carly, enlighten me. So you don't eat until dinner on your UD? Do you eat all of your cals at that one meal? Then you hardly eat anything on your DD? Do you wait until dinner on your DD too?
I eat all my calories on most UDs at dinner and a bedtime snack.
On DD just a bedtime snack which I need to go get right now.
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Old 05-02-2013, 06:59 AM   #106
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My first MD on the three day rotation went really well! I felt great and had lots of energy. I don't know if it was because I changed my mindset from "I have to do a medium day to switch my rotation ... ugh" to "I really want to do an MD," but it was good. I felt healthy! Down just a hair (0.1) from my after DD weight, but that was a very low DD so I think that's a good sign. I'll be excited to see what the scale says on Saturday (after my next DD). UD today.

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Old 05-02-2013, 08:20 AM   #107
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Can I ask a stupid question before I jump in and try this? Are you all adding in one Mid-Day a week, or are you doing this D-M-U consistently? Meaning does your week look like:

Monday: D
Tuesday: M
Wednesday: U
Thursday: D
Friday: M
Saturday: U
Sunday: D

And then start all over again the next week?

Or does your week look like:

Monday: D
Tuesday: M
Wednesday: U
Thursday: D
Friday: U
Saturday: D
Sunday: U

The first example makes a bit more sense to me, since you end up with less Up days and the calorie spread is probably closer to normal JUDDD?
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I'm considering the following schedule:

Mon - UD
Tues - DD
Wed - UD
Thur - DD
Fri - UD
Sat - MD
Sun - MD

Something in between JUDDD and 5:2. I'm trying to think long term and what will suit my lifestyle. This is *very* doable for me.
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DeeDee, this is a new experiment, but speaking for myself, I'm trying to stay on a DD-MD-UD (repeat) pattern as much as possible, making possible changes for events once in a while.
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I've been using a repeated pattern of D-M-U but have been flexible and have changed quite a few rotations, usually by adding in more MDs when I need to adjust schedules. I try to sub the UD out, not the DD when I switch.

Christina, so glad this seems to be comfortable for you. Can't wait to hear your results.
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Thanks for the info you guys! I'm going to start this next week and see what happens. It'll be interesting to see if I'm even capable of a MD after a DD. I'm usually a ravenous beast after a DD lol.
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I change it up based on my schedule - it's different every week. Usually a couple of MD and just one DD on Thursdays anymore. But I am not going for strict weight loss. I am pleased at anything under 145 on the scale and I've been there for almost 2 months. (Can you say "effortless maintenance"?? WOW!) I suppose if I wanted to drop more (at 5'4", I could go 5-10 more comfortably) I could get more strict, but I am free of food obsessions, restricting and counting for the first time in a LONG time, so I am enjoying where I am at for a while. Hope it goes like that for you, too!

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After my April low of 211, I had bounced up to 216 (!) so I'm very happy that my first three day rotation brought me back to 211.2, 2 pounds under the previous after-DD-weight. Hoping for a new low next rotation. So far liking this and feeling like it's a good shake-up for me right now. MD today!
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I eat all my calories on most UDs at dinner and a bedtime snack.
On DD just a bedtime snack which I need to go get right now.
So you are basically eating within a "window"? Thought about giving that a try and only having 2 DD's.
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Yah Christina. I am on a MD today as well. I have not lost over the last couple of rotations but I think I am resetting after losing 6 pounds quickly (for me) and I increased my exercise as well so trying to be patient!
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Brand new and curiosity is definitely tweeked? But can someone tell me what all these acronyms stand for? MD, UP, DD, WOE? Is there a tread I can read about all of them? TIA and looking forward to learning how to use this site!
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So you are basically eating within a "window"? Thought about giving that a try and only having 2 DD's.
Yes, basically, but I don't adhere to it religously. If I want lunch on an UD I have it. I'm trying to have lunch every Friday during the spring and summer. I did it the last 2 Fridays, but felt tired after. Yesterday I had 1/3 of a chicken ceasar salad and a peice of garlic bread and think I would have felt more energetic if I hadn't eaten, but I'll try 1 or 2 more Friday lunchhes. Yogurt seems to be a safe option so Friday lunch may just be a yogurt.

I really don't get hungry till after 6pm so I don't feel restricted by the "window", but if I wake hungry on an UD I'll have a small something.
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Brand new and curiosity is definitely tweeked? But can someone tell me what all these acronyms stand for? MD, UP, DD, WOE? Is there a tread I can read about all of them? TIA and looking forward to learning how to use this site!
I think there is a thread about acronyms. You can do a search in forums. I can answer these, though. MD- Mid Day, DD-Down Day, UP- Up Day or UD, WOE- way of eating.
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Yes, basically, but I don't adhere to it religously. If I want lunch on an UD I have it. I'm trying to have lunch every Friday during the spring and summer. I did it the last 2 Fridays, but felt tired after. Yesterday I had 1/3 of a chicken ceasar salad and a peice of garlic bread and think I would have felt more energetic if I hadn't eaten, but I'll try 1 or 2 more Friday lunchhes. Yogurt seems to be a safe option so Friday lunch may just be a yogurt.

I really don't get hungry till after 6pm so I don't feel restricted by the "window", but if I wake hungry on an UD I'll have a small something.
Yeah, I've been doing some reading on the whole window thing and from what I've read they still suggest eating sensibly when you break the fast. The book said need to pass up the doughnuts at the office and limit sweets to only once in a while. That doesn't sound fun. That just sounds like starving all day everyday and you dont ever get anything that you really like. May not be something I want to switch over to. Guess I'm just sticking to JUDDD. Of course I think using a window on a dd or ud could be beneficial but not necessary if I don't want to.
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You sound like me, JM. I just wish I were your weight, so I could justify it. I hope I can continue to lose without having to tweak JUDDD anymore than my life is already tweaked by doing it as it is...
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