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Old 04-16-2013, 06:38 PM   #1
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can't keep the weight off...

so this is my third round of JUDDD.

The first time I did it for nov. 2011 - march 2012. went from a bit over 150 to 140 pounds.

Took a maintenance break (mental break!) and went back up to 148 pounds.

Started again in June 2012 - Nov 2012. got down to 138.

Took another maintenance break and went back up to 148 pounds.

Started again in March...and I just can't seem to lose any! I go from having a good DD and getting down to 143...then back up to 148 after my UD. It's like my body has decided that this is where it wants to be!!!!!

I'm counting my calories (500 DD 1700 UD) and during maintenance I was just doing an average of 1300 calories a day but counting by the week.

For exercise I walk/run 2.5 miles a day and do callenetics maybe 2 -3 times a week on a good week.

I stick with JUDDD because it's the best for my brain - if I think i'm dieting i starting eating like crazy. But with JUDDD I know i can eat it the next day so I don't. And this forum is awesome.

I'm going wedding dress shopping in a month and would just like to feel like I managed something regarding my weight loss before then!
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Old 04-16-2013, 07:31 PM   #2
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If you don't mind, what is your height and age? Your DD seems high, and like there isn't enough swing between the 2. Knowing that might give us a place to start in trying to help you.
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Old 04-16-2013, 07:31 PM   #3
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I had to think for a good while about your problem. Your numbers seem close enough to right to me that you should be finding at least some loss. I think somehow you are having large gains (bounces) on those UDs even though you are counting calories and staying at 1,700.

I thought of one possible answer - maybe others will come up with more.

My thought - Could it be that you are having too much sodium on your UDs, so that your scale gives you this big bounce. Is it possible you are not drinking enough water to allow your body to release the excess water weight? I know that it would seem that eventually you'd still lose, even if water weight was a problem. I'm just thinking that dealing with sodium/water weight really well for a while might jump-start a change. Do you enter your food into an online calculator to get the sodium? That might help you see if it's a problem. Be sure to get plenty of plain water every day so that you can flush any water weight away.
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Old 04-16-2013, 08:22 PM   #4
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What is your ratio of fat/carbs/protein? I do better when I have a lot more healthy fat in my diet (grass fed butter, coconut oil, MCT oil). If you are exercising that much you might actually need MORE calories on your UD's. In the past when I've exercised a lot but decreased cals, my body held onto weight for dear life and it was so frustrating because you think you are doing the right thing. Have you considered lifting weights? You burn more cals at rest if you have more muscle.

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Old 04-16-2013, 11:34 PM   #5
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I'm so sorry you're so frustrated. I understand. When you're putting forth the hard work and effort, you expect to see results.

My own personal take on this is that you might want to reduce your DD calories. You may be able to leave you UD calories where they are if you have a wider swing between up and down. Plus, at your weight, the calculated DD calories are likely to be quite a bit below 500. It's really not as hard as it sounds. I'd rather restrict more on a day I'm already restricing than to have to restrict more on my UDs.

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Old 04-17-2013, 04:57 AM   #6
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I can't answer since I don't know your height. First, is your goal weight achievable? I am 5'7" so 113 would not be a goal but 138 could be.
Plus as I was losing when I hit 150 I stayed at that weight for over a month without losing. That said to show you that our bodies can be frustrating and have a mind of their own. Kind of like a set weight that you have to have patience to work through.
I think PATIENCE is the key to JUDDD anyway. And my UD/DD bounce has been 2 pounds most of my journey on JUDDD.
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Old 04-17-2013, 07:04 AM   #7
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I'm 5'1". 28 years old.

And to clarify, it's not a 5 pound swing between 1 DD and an UD. It's like, I get down to 143 after a few good rotations. Then even though I'm keeping the same numbers....a few weeks later I'm back up to 148.

I've tried lower DD's but I just can't handle them. I get a headache. And with the exercise. I drink at least 6 full glasses of water with fresh squeezed lemon a day.

Perhaps I'll have to go low carb (which I've done and hated).
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Old 04-17-2013, 08:06 AM   #8
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At first I think a lot of people (myself included) have headaches on DD's. After awhile they go away though. it is just a choice you have to make.
And you can do JUDDD and LC at the same time if you like.
And according to a lot of authors, exzercise can hinder rather than help weightloss if overdone.
I do not and did not exercise although I should now for health benefits. but I lost my weight doing super low DD's which I continue to do most DD's even on maintenance.
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Old 04-17-2013, 08:34 AM   #9
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Hi Crqazynanc,
At 5'1", 28 years old, 20% and "little to no exercise" I get 1745/349. That's a 200 cal difference in the swing between what you're currently on, and it may make a difference. There are loads of stories on the board, including What got my losses going again most recently posted my LCG. It was also a 200 cal tweak and jump started her losses again.
As Adi said, JUDDD is slow for most people. Its my experience from doing JUDDD and reading the boards that people with less to lose (ie - closer to goal) lose slower and there are a lot of NSVs that come with JUDDD that the scale does not reflect. So be sure you're taking measurements, trying on clothes for changes in fit, etc. You may find that you're losing inches without movement on the scale. It happens a lot with JUDDD.
Finally, as has been mentioned already, exercise - especially intense exercise - tends to cause stalls in this WOE. I've lost 25# since 1-1 without any appreciable amount of exercise. I'm supposed to do a 1/2 marathon in August and I'm a little nervous to start running again as I'm afraid it will cause a stall. I think if you do it smartly and don't over-exert yourself you can work some low impact and light lifting into your regimen without huge impacts on your weight. Bearing in mind that muscle is much denser than fat so small gains in muscle can mask the loss of loads of fat on the scale. Also as muscles get microtears then heal (which is how they get bigger/stronger) they retain quite a bit of water so that they can repair themselves. Water retention = weight on the scale.
DD headaches are definitely a bummer, no doubt about it. The science of JUDDD actually would prefer we fast entirely but Dr J suggested the 500 limits because most people would probably balk at a full fast. The intent, as I understand it, was to start at 500 and slowly work your way down to your calculated DD cals or even lower. It might be worth it to post your normal DD menu to see if we can help you tweak it to get more nutrients for less calories. You'll want to start looking for very nutrient dense, low cal foods - I've made gigantic pans of roasted veggies that lasted me 2 DD meals for under 150 cals.
Finally, I'd encourage you to keep a food diary. See if you can find a trend to your bounces. Although, as its written, JUDDD doesn't care what you eat, some of the JBs have found that there are certain foods they can not eat. Many are low carb, gluten free, some vegan, some vegetarian, some PHD, some low sodium, some high sodium, etc. I, personally, am lucky in that I'm able to lose no matter what I eat (as long as I stay within my daily cals) but I'm starting to notice that some foods really upset my GI tract and am trying to start taking note of those and eliminate them. Not for weight loss but for a more pain/irritation free existence!
You've gotten some good tips, I hope you'll try to stick with it and do some experimenting. JUDDD is worth it!!!
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Old 04-17-2013, 08:58 AM   #10
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Old 04-17-2013, 12:47 PM   #11
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It seems like if someone is gaining weight despite following that strict plan with all that exercise there may be something else going on.

I suspect I still have some metabolic issues so I decided to try out the _Mastering Leptin__ protocol (similar to the leptin reset protocol but less strict) for a while to see if that has any effect on me. Anyway maybe it's worth looking into.
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It seems like if someone is gaining weight despite following that strict plan with all that exercise there may be something else going on.

I suspect I still have some metabolic issues so I decided to try out the _Mastering Leptin__ protocol (similar to the leptin reset protocol but less strict) for a while to see if that has any effect on me. Anyway maybe it's worth looking into.
I found the Mastering Leptin book to help me tremendously with my weight loss. And it isn't real difficult to make those guidelines habits.
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Old 04-17-2013, 10:32 PM   #13
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Crazynanc, I've noticed my weight will bounce back and forth if I'm eating too much on my UDs. If I were you, I would lower your DD to under 420 and your UD to under 1650, 1600 if you want it to go a little faster It's just a small tweak, but may work for you! Good luck!
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