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Old 04-04-2013, 03:00 PM   #31
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Are diet drinks allowed on DDs?
Also, I would like to work out (cardio kickboxing and some weight training). Anyone have issues with working out, and which days are best, DD or UD? I am lurking and thinking of switching over from VLC. Appreciate your feedback!
I favour working out on DDs. That is because I work out first thing and have always done so on an empty stomach. So I am well nourished from my UD. Many people work out on both days and have no problems. YMMV.

I enjoyed a Diet coke this evening, and if you enjoy them and they don't stall you go ahead.
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Are diet drinks allowed on DDs?
Also, I would like to work out (cardio kickboxing and some weight training). Anyone have issues with working out, and which days are best, DD or UD? I am lurking and thinking of switching over from VLC. Appreciate your feedback!
Anything is allow on juddd- no food/drink restrictions- period. Just count your calories and respect UD/DD numbers. Awesome- right?
I prefer to work out (elliptical/ bike) on DD, but I do (when not injured) on both days, but I have more energy on DDs.

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omg, I have so many questions but I'll try to limit and do some searches on here too. But do people find the rate of loss faster, slower or equal to LC. I know there are variances, but in general?
I lost 10 pounds in ffive weeks on low carb/ low cal, but it was miserable. On juddd I lost up to 11 pounds one month and as little as 4 or 5 in a month that included vacation. But I only ever dieted every other day!
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Anything is allow on juddd- no food/drink restrictions- period. Just count your calories and respect UD/DD numbers. Awesome- right?
I prefer to work out (elliptical/ bike) on DD, but I do (when not injured) on both days, but I have more energy on DDs.



I lost 10 pounds in ffive weeks on low carb/ low cal, but it was miserable. On juddd I lost up to 11 pounds one month and as little as 4 or 5 in a month that included vacation. But I only ever dieted every other day!
Are there ways people can speed up weight loss on JUDDD intentionally? I like the idea of restricting every other day. I can do that.
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Are there ways people can speed up weight loss on JUDDD intentionally? I like the idea of restricting every other day. I can do that.
Strict eod rotations with low DDs will likely lead to the fasted loss, but loss is not linear on juddd, if you weigh daily you will see bounces. This is mostly related to the amount, or lack there of, of food in the GI tract. Daily weights aren't very accurate, but lots of us weigh daily anyway. I learned a lot about my body by weighing daily and eventually became immune to the bounce.
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Strict eod rotations with low DDs will likely lead to the fasted loss, but loss is not linear on juddd, if you weigh daily you will see bounces. This is mostly related to the amount, or lack there of, of food in the GI tract. Daily weights aren't very accurate, but lots of us weigh daily anyway. I learned a lot about my body by weighing daily and eventually became immune to the bounce.
What are eod rotations?
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Every other day, so every other day is a down/fasting day.
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Thank you for that. I just bought the Alternate Day Diet by Johnson on my kindle (phone). Im going to peruse through that tonight. Anything in the book you think is not updated ?
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Thank you for that. I just bought the Alternate Day Diet by Johnson on my kindle (phone). Im going to peruse through that tonight. Anything in the book you think is not updated ?
He is a bit wishy washy about needing to track UDs or just eat normally. A lot of us don't really know how to eat normally since we are all here and overweight. So he in not clear about the necessity of tracking UDs, but our collective wisdom is that it is wise to do so- especially in the beginning to see if "normal" eating would be way over or under the UD number. I believe he says, or is not totally clear, regarding the need to eat up all UD calories, but again our collective wisdom has proven that it would be better to do so as often as possible. Many people have stalled when they are too low too often.
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I was totally resistant to the idea of counting calories when I started but it has been such a revelation and taught me loads!

I weigh daily but the JUDDD bounce doesn't bother me.

I also find it helpful to log what I eat. It sounds a bit obsessive but monitoring makes it easy to check back to see what works and what doesn't.
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Old 04-05-2013, 07:55 AM   #40
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Thank you for that. I just bought the Alternate Day Diet by Johnson on my kindle (phone). Im going to peruse through that tonight. Anything in the book you think is not updated ?
Also, keep in mind that Dr. Johnson is a plastic surgeon, NOT a nutritionist. I haven't read the book, but I hear it's chock full of outdated information about fats, etc. IMO, it's all about the calories, and not so much WHAT you eat, unless you have some underlying reason to avoid certain foods or food groups.
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Good point Dawn. Anyone who has read Taubes etc will find some of what Dr J says outdated. But the principles he suggests hold good.

I strongly agree with counting the UD as well as DD calories, at least to begin with. Most of us are here only because 'normal' eating had become 'abnorma'l for us.
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I am going to jump in here. I just started this full on, April 1. And I am enjoying it. I think I do best on my dd's if they are work days. And since I only work 4 days a week, I have decided to do 2 of my dd's on Wednesday and Friday, and then do my 3rd one either on Sunday or Monday depending on what is more convenient. I also think that since I would essentially have 2 ud's in a row, I will likely moderate one slightly lower.

I am also finding that when I keep to a macro percentage that is fairly high fat, moderate protein, and low carb I feel better on both ud's and dd's. So to the degree it is reasonable I will keep that up.
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Old 04-05-2013, 08:30 AM   #43
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Welcome Chris!

I have a question - as far as a UUAD what do you actually consider a UUAD? I went over my UD cals by 187 yesterday and although I don't feel that was over the top but more than I should have had, I am curious as to what you all do consider a UUAD. I remember the day when I asked if I had to eat all of my UD's that is not such a problem any longer!
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187 over! That's cute.

I'm not making fun of you, really! 187 over is nothing to be worried about at all (unless it's happening, like, every UD of course). To me, UUAD means just throwing it all in and going 1000 or more over. Not just a high UD, but HIGH.
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LCG! Got it! I try not to go over but I made homemade pizza with wheatless flour crust and it was way better than I thought it would be so I went over eating the extra pieces of the crust.
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SchoolPsych, Johnson would certainly get no awards for his nutritional advice but the background science about JUDDDD is well-worth reading.


Chris, there's a medium day (MD), which is the average between your UD and DD cals. It might help you at the weekends. It's recommended you enter a DD well-nourished from a UD, so think small, med, large - DD, MD, UD, DD.
However, some people find MDs make them stall and they do better with 2 UDs. You'll have to see what works for you.


Vicki, I think what's considered UUAD will depend on your allowance. My UDs are around 1500, so I'd regard 1700+ as a high day for me. I'd consider anything over 2000 to be UUAD for me. Some JBs probably wouldn't think it a problem!

It's obviously very subjective but I certainly wouldn't panic about occasionally being a couple of hundred cals over.

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I think an UUAD is very relative since our UD numbers vary so much. My UD is about 1580 so to me 1800+ would be UUAD. However there are JUDDD buds who have UD calories of over 2200 so they could probably get by with the occasional 2500 and not be as impacted as I would be by frequent 1800 calorie days. I would not worry about the occasional extra 187
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Thanks everyone. Now I have a baseline to go by for a UUAD. My UD cals are 1700 so I am guessing a 2000 day or a bit more would be a UUAD. I don't want to go over the 1700 often but at least I have an idea of what you very successful JUDDER's use for your UUAD.
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He is a bit wishy washy about needing to track UDs or just eat normally. A lot of us don't really know how to eat normally since we are all here and overweight. So he in not clear about the necessity of tracking UDs, but our collective wisdom is that it is wise to do so- especially in the beginning to see if "normal" eating would be way over or under the UD number. I believe he says, or is not totally clear, regarding the need to eat up all UD calories, but again our collective wisdom has proven that it would be better to do so as often as possible. Many people have stalled when they are too low too often.
Completely agree with Carly. Tracking UD's are important because if you're not eatong up to them you will stall. I found that my worst DD's stemmed from a lackluster UD. As you go along you'll notice what works best for you.


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I am going to jump in here. I just started this full on, April 1. And I am enjoying it. I think I do best on my dd's if they are work days. And since I only work 4 days a week, I have decided to do 2 of my dd's on Wednesday and Friday, and then do my 3rd one either on Sunday or Monday depending on what is more convenient. I also think that since I would essentially have 2 ud's in a row, I will likely moderate one slightly lower.

I am also finding that when I keep to a macro percentage that is fairly high fat, moderate protein, and low carb I feel better on both ud's and dd's. So to the degree it is reasonable I will keep that up.
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Thanks all for the support!

Flossyliz, thanks so much. So far, I have not eaten up to my UD's but I am sure I will get there soon! So I will follow your advice and do the MD on Saturday and an UD on Sunday to prepare for the DD on Monday, unless circumstances require that Saturday become an UD.

My UD is 2200 and down is 460. I have not yet managed either. I have gotten down to 500 a couple of times. But not gotten over 2000 yet. But I have to admit, I have not gotten into the swing totally. But it starts now. Yesterday and Saturday were both almost 2000 calories, but I suspect that after today's low, tomorrow it will be easier to hit 2200.
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Sorta-newbie here! I tried JUDDD a while ago, and didn't commit like I know I needed to. I had some success, but find myself here again starting over. Anyway - I'm starting here, on my first DD, after losing about 16 pounds since January but never really committing to one plan. I have a ways to go, but baby steps are my focus. Looking forward to getting to know everyone!
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Sorta-newbie here! I tried JUDDD a while ago, and didn't commit like I know I needed to. I had some success, but find myself here again starting over. Anyway - I'm starting here, on my first DD, after losing about 16 pounds since January but never really committing to one plan. I have a ways to go, but baby steps are my focus. Looking forward to getting to know everyone!
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Trace, good to see you here. Hope this is time for you to get to goal!

deMuralist, glad you are heading in the right direction on your UD and DD numbers, it can take some time.
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Hi Everyone!! Doing my DD today and it went really well I am back in the groove and looking forward to an UD tomorrow !!!!!

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