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Kimberli33 03-15-2013 06:26 PM

Should I eat to my UD calories?
 
:dunno:I'm use to being a little hungry...I could eat to 1800 but would I lose better if I kept my UDs to say 1500?Or would eating much less than 1800 just stall me.Confused.:confused:

Librarygirl 03-15-2013 06:34 PM

What is your height/age if you don't mind me asking? 1800 seems a little high...?

Kimberli33 03-15-2013 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Librarygirl (Post 16318389)
What is your height/age if you don't mind me asking? 1800 seems a little high...?

I'm using the JUDDD calculator on the JUDDD site and putting in 5ft6 and 170lbs age 42-comes up 1800 and 360:dunno:Is that wrong??

hot-in-texas 03-15-2013 06:42 PM

Add your days together and divide by 2. If it comes out to under 1100 I think that would be too little and it might make your body go into starvation mode, and you could stall. Unless you are under 5 ft 2 then maybe it would be OK.

hot-in-texas 03-15-2013 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimberli33 (Post 16318406)
I'm using the JUDDD calculator on the JUDDD site and putting in 5ft6 and 170lbs age 42-comes up 1800 and 360:dunno:Is that wrong??

No that sounds right. I'm 5 ft 5 160 and my number is around 1700.

Kimberli33 03-15-2013 06:46 PM

so 360dd and 1800 ud = 2160 divide by 2=1080 if I eat to ud levels

mom23kids 03-15-2013 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimberli33 (Post 16318406)
I'm using the JUDDD calculator on the JUDDD site and putting in 5ft6 and 170lbs age 42-comes up 1800 and 360:dunno:Is that wrong??

Is that you in your avatar picture? I thought you were in your 20s!

hot-in-texas 03-15-2013 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimberli33 (Post 16318424)
so 360dd and 1800 ud = 2160 divide by 2=1080 if I eat to ud levels

No now I've confused us both. Sorry. But 1500 and 360 would only be 930 a day, so that may be too low to lose. I should leave this to the experts.

Librarygirl 03-15-2013 06:59 PM

Your calories are right. Yes you should eat up to your UD calories, or else, as Carly says, you aren't JUDDDing but just doing a low calorie diet. If you want to tweak it by going lower, do it only on DDs. You are allowed to fast completely (0 calories) on DDs, so that would make your overall numbers lower too. :) Hope that helps!

Kimberli33 03-15-2013 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mom23kids (Post 16318429)
Is that you in your avatar picture? I thought you were in your 20s!

:hugs:Aaaaw Thank-You,Yes,thats me.Keep getting told I'm starting to look like my Dds sister!:o:love:And to think I use to HATE looking young!lol:laugh:

Kimberli33 03-15-2013 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Librarygirl (Post 16318444)
Your calories are right. Yes you should eat up to your UD calories, or else, as Carly says, you aren't JUDDDing but just doing a low calorie diet. If you want to tweak it by going lower, do it only on DDs. You are allowed to fast completely (0 calories) on DDs, so that would make your overall numbers lower too. :) Hope that helps!

yes,thanks for the help,just trying to wrap my head around EATING :laugh:

Librarygirl 03-15-2013 07:12 PM

Trust me, in a month or less you will be trying to figure out how to get MORE UD calories!! :D :D

By the way, have you tried coconut butter? 2 T is 186 calories. I could eat a cup of it! :D

Carly 03-15-2013 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Librarygirl (Post 16318444)
Your calories are right. Yes you should eat up to your UD calories, or else, as Carly says, you aren't JUDDDing but just doing a low calorie diet. If you want to tweak it by going lower, do it only on DDs. You are allowed to fast completely (0 calories) on DDs, so that would make your overall numbers lower too. :) Hope that helps!

:goodpost: yup, that's what I say... If you aren't eating your UD calories you aren't JUDDDing. Stick with the calculator for at least 3-4 weeks before doing any tweaks, unless you wish to lower your DD number, which is fine if you want to, but not required.

mojocat 03-15-2013 07:29 PM

[QUOTE=Librarygirl;16318466]Trust me, in a month or less you will be trying to figure out how to get MORE UD calories!! :D :D

But why, why, why? I was reading Dr J's book again and the UD's got easier for him because he became less hungry on them as time went by. This is how I would expect JUDDD to progress but the more time goes by I realise this is not happening. I still have the same ravenous appetite on UD's and it's not getting any less so :eek:

Carly 03-15-2013 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Librarygirl (Post 16318466)
Trust me, in a month or less you will be trying to figure out how to get MORE UD calories!! :D :D

But why, why, why? I was reading Dr J's book again and the UD's got easier for him because he became less hungry on them as time went by. This is how I would expect JUDDD to progress but the more time goes by I realise this is not happening. I still have the same ravenous appetite on UD's and it's not getting any less so :eek:

This has been my experience I just can't eat what I used to be able to consume. I also get full very quickly.

Librarygirl 03-15-2013 08:09 PM

[quote=mojocat;16318504]
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Originally Posted by Librarygirl (Post 16318466)
Trust me, in a month or less you will be trying to figure out how to get MORE UD calories!! :D :D

But why, why, why? I was reading Dr J's book again and the UD's got easier for him because he became less hungry on them as time went by. This is how I would expect JUDDD to progress but the more time goes by I realise this is not happening. I still have the same ravenous appetite on UD's and it's not getting any less so :eek:

I think once you really begin to drop the weight, you won't be able to eat as much. I said that, and I really don't want to eat less than I can on UDs but I'm usually satisfied. I *hope* I don't still want to eat as much as I get a lot smaller. Otherwise, I will have to start doing regular marathons!:laugh::laugh:

BaileysGirl 03-16-2013 09:40 PM

All I can say is you are ROCKING IT!!! :sing: You lost 15 pounds in less than a month. Are you Judding Low Carb?

Librarygirl 03-16-2013 11:08 PM

I think she just started on the 12th. She lost a lot of weight on LC before JUDDD in a short period of time. I'm jealous! ;)

gotsomeold 03-17-2013 04:30 AM

DDs initiate ketosis (the body preferentially burns fat for energy - yes, it turns out very low calorie eating flips the same switch LC does) and activates sirtuin enzymes that live in every cell. SIRT1, the enzyme we are primarily concerned with is a little power-house that sweeps up dead organelles and goo in each cell - even gathers up dead cells - and tosses the debris to the body to be burned. This is why on LC and JUDDD (and other IF plans) people see NSVs: clearer skin, brighter eyes, reduction in asthma and arthritis, etc, etc, while they lose weight. :jumpjoy: Cool, huh?

However, SIRT1 is a determined little enzyme. Once activated it does it's thing and does not stop. When all the debris is cleaned up, it attacks healthy cells and sends them to be burned. Not so good. Not so good at all. Leads to loss of NSVs. :cry: Leads to weight loss stalls.

Just enough sirtuin activation supports ketosis. It is up to us to prevent too many SIRT1s from activating at one time. How do we do that? By turning off sirtuin activation. By breaking the famine with UD eating. :yummy:

The SIRT1s you activated on DD hang around doing their thing for - it depends on the metabolism - around two weeks on average. Then they are used up. That means the SIRT1s you activated on DD are still hard at work on UD. BUT, by eating to turn off the famine you don't activate any more SIRT1s. This is good.

Every day millions of cells in your body die. On average, the rotation keeps things cleaned up (and supports ketosis) without over-doing things.

I suspect the reason some people feel better and lose better on IF patterns different from every other day is because they need a different amount of clean up. JUDDD seems to work very, very well for most people.

So, yes, you need to eat your UD calories. Once you reach JUDDD Magic - a level of SIRT1 activation that, wow, you will probably feel, then you can certainly experiment with lower UDs.

I stalled my weight loss (and lost my NSVs) for six weeks by failing to notice I was not eating enough on most UDs.

Kimberli33 03-17-2013 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Librarygirl (Post 16320120)
I think she just started on the 12th. She lost a lot of weight on LC before JUDDD in a short period of time. I'm jealous! ;)

this^

Kimberli33 03-17-2013 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by gotsomeold (Post 16320200)
DDs initiate ketosis (the body preferentially burns fat for energy - yes, it turns out very low calorie eating flips the same switch LC does) and activates sirtuin enzymes that live in every cell. SIRT1, the enzyme we are primarily concerned with is a little power-house that sweeps up dead organelles and goo in each cell - even gathers up dead cells - and tosses the debris to the body to be burned. This is why on LC and JUDDD (and other IF plans) people see NSVs: clearer skin, brighter eyes, reduction in asthma and arthritis, etc, etc, while they lose weight. :jumpjoy: Cool, huh?

However, SIRT1 is a determined little enzyme. Once activated it does it's thing and does not stop. When all the debris is cleaned up, it attacks healthy cells and sends them to be burned. Not so good. Not so good at all. Leads to loss of NSVs. :cry: Leads to weight loss stalls.

Just enough sirtuin activation supports ketosis. It is up to us to prevent too many SIRT1s from activating at one time. How do we do that? By turning off sirtuin activation. By breaking the famine with UD eating. :yummy:

The SIRT1s you activated on DD hang around doing their thing for - it depends on the metabolism - around two weeks on average. Then they are used up. That means the SIRT1s you activated on DD are still hard at work on UD. BUT, by eating to turn off the famine you don't activate any more SIRT1s. This is good.

Every day millions of cells in your body die. On average, the rotation keeps things cleaned up (and supports ketosis) without over-doing things.

I suspect the reason some people feel better and lose better on IF patterns different from every other day is because they need a different amount of clean up. JUDDD seems to work very, very well for most people.

So, yes, you need to eat your UD calories. Once you reach JUDDD Magic - a level of SIRT1 activation that, wow, you will probably feel, then you can certainly experiment with lower UDs.

I stalled my weight loss (and lost my NSVs) for six weeks by failing to notice I was not eating enough on most UDs.

thanks for all the info...I definetly dont want to cause a stall..appreciate the advice.:hugs:

Evie1978 03-17-2013 07:27 AM

I'm seeing a lot of success on other forums related to juddd where people don't count ud cals at all...only dds and lose lbs very quickly....not sure if counting on uds is as critical as some might think. Just don't go over on dds and make sure to eat s good amount on uds and you should be ok...try it and see....I haven't really counted...just guesstimated really and I'm losing....

Evie1978 03-17-2013 07:34 AM

****let me also mention that the people with wl success are going over the recommended cals for uds and losing....not under...

gotsomeold 03-17-2013 07:40 AM

One of the reasons some of us have to count is a tendency to go under over and over, like for weeks. Once in awhile eating low does not seem to matter.

If you don't count UDs but eat a lot, then if your UD calories are too high for the sirts and ketosis and your metabolism to handle, that will become obvious (stall, gain, kinda thing) and can be addressed. Some of us make it to goal never counting UDs...some need to.

For me the important thing is - another opportunity to learn more about how I work! Whoo HA!

Carly 03-17-2013 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Evie1978 (Post 16320352)
I'm seeing a lot of success on other forums related to juddd where people don't count ud cals at all...only dds and lose lbs very quickly....not sure if counting on uds is as critical as some might think. Just don't go over on dds and make sure to eat s good amount on uds and you should be ok...try it and see....I haven't really counted...just guesstimated really and I'm losing....

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Originally Posted by Evie1978 (Post 16320359)
****let me also mention that the people with wl success are going over the recommended cals for uds and losing....not under...

I think this works if you have an ability to eat "normally" - have a little bit of this or that- stop when full, just put 1 serving size on your dinner plate, etc..

A lot of people are overweight because "naturally" they ate too much. I haven't had to count UDs myself, but I never had an over-eating issue while awake. Now that I have forced a stop to the sleepwalk eating, I'm very easily maintaining the weight I lost and still don't have to count UDs.

Yennie 03-17-2013 08:57 AM

:goodpost: What Carly said! As usual, one of our stars hit it right on the head.

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Originally Posted by Evie1978 (Post 16320352)
I'm seeing a lot of success on other forums related to juddd where people don't count ud cals at all...only dds and lose lbs very quickly....not sure if counting on uds is as critical as some might think. Just don't go over on dds and make sure to eat s good amount on uds and you should be ok...try it and see....I haven't really counted...just guesstimated really and I'm losing....

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Originally Posted by Evie1978 (Post 16320359)
****let me also mention that the people with wl success are going over the recommended cals for uds and losing....not under...

You'd probably find, on these boards, just as many people who've not been successful with JUDDD because of an inability or unwillingness to count UDs. Dr J's book DOES say that you don't have to count UDs, just eat "normally" or "stop when full". The problem is that most of us (read: most, not all) would not be in this predicament if we knew how to eat normally. Having said that, I do not meticulously count each and every calorie that goes in my mouth on an UD. I plan my day, check cals on the calculator and keep a bit of a mental run as well.

Ultimately I think it depends on a lot of factors whether you'd be successful with JUDDD not counting your UD cals. I feel, based on life experience and reading these forums, that it is such an individual thing. Right now one of our dear JBs is struggling with overeating on her UDs and has not seen success because of it.

It would be hard for me to recommend or endorse not counting UD cals. The consequences of being too high or too low could be really disastrous for MOST people. While I certainly envy those with enough sense or self control to not need to count their UD cals (in much the same way I envy those who don't have to watch what they eat at all), I feel very strongly that the best way to success is to follow Dr J's plan as it was written. Many of our JBs have had success after establishing themselves with hacks or other tweaks, but just as many have rocked their losses with EOD rotations and nothing else.

If you are wondering about your calories - a good check would be to average your UD and DD. This will give you a daily average cals. If its under 1000, I think that's too low (depending, of course, on several other factors including how much you have to lose). You're missing the swing and you'll miss out on the magic of the SIRTs that Nancy outlined above. For most women, based on metabolic demands, 1100-1200 is a good place to shoot for.

Beeb 03-17-2013 07:55 PM

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sterlinggirl 03-18-2013 09:06 AM

All your question has been answered here but i just wanted to add my 2cents :hyst:
Do your best tooo not restrict your eating day.. JUDDD has always been about deiting every other day.. that is why it appeals to so many! :hugs: But more important is to not starve the body.. We get into the mind set that less is best, well its really not. We need to keep feeding the body so it does not get stressed and trigger the starvation mode.. part of the eating on the up day is not only to refuel,, but also to send that signal to the body.. "hey everything is ok" "she is feeding us again WHEW.. As i know all to well we get impatient and want that steady loss after loss after loss and for the whole proces to hurry up and be over! Well im here to tell ya,,, slow and steady with lots of good eating will be your best freind when you decide to go into maintance! .. Here are my numbers for the last year.. 1870 up day and 120 DD from just coffee,, that is only 1990 total for two days.. which is only 995 a day! I have spent the last year basically starving my body to lose my weight ! The weight fell off, and i did not feel good,, People said, wow you must really feel great losing 60 pounds.. Well truth was i did not! I am only telling you this story so you all understand.. please dont restrict the numbers just to see what you want in the scale.. I went into maintance not knowing what to do, what to eat.. So when i started lifting wieghts and needed to feed my body more.. The scale started to climb.. i got scared.. I have had to slowly add food back into my daily regiments.. eat every day.. and get the scale to stop climbing.. my rebound wieght of 4 pounds up slowly crept to 7 pounds up.. I thought it would never stop.. But over the last few weeks my body has adjusted to eating every day. and feeding my body and treating it well,, and have finally started to maintan a 4 pound gain for a whole week with no fluctuations.. I have arrived at not being scare now.. I loved JUDDD and every thing it represented and still do.. BUt i just want to caution any one reading this,, please dont be in such a hurry to not pay attention to how many caloires your are really giving the body when you divide by 2. Please take your time and enjoy this slow process.. love and respect to all :heart:

vanilla_latte 03-18-2013 01:51 PM

As Kimberly said, your questions have been answered and as a old, new, old .. new JUDDDer** :D , I say yes eat up to your UD numbers. Last year, I wasn't and wasn't losing past the first initial few pounds. Found I thought I was eating enough but tracking the cals for a couple of UD showed I wasn't. I did and finally began losing. The natural inclination is to keep the UD calories down a bit to bring on faster losses, but it usually doesn't work that way. Gotta have a big enough spread between your days to keep the body guessing.

**I found JUDDD when it was brand new several years ago and although I've let myself get derailed each time I've gone back to it, I did lose, so I know it works and want to be a success story and live amongst the ranks of Dawn, Carly, Kimberly, Adi, and others. :o :D

hot-in-texas 03-18-2013 02:57 PM

another 2 cents here...I have been thinking about this, but never put it into words yet, so bear with me...
I think it is best to eat as much as you can on your UD, as long as you are losing weight of at least 1 pound per week. The reason I think this is because i don't want your body to get used to the low calories. I want it to get use to the highest calories possible, that way when it is time for maintenance, your body will be used to the higher calories, and transition to maintenance will be easier. This is just my theory, i have not made it to maintenance yet, and am only about half way there. If i start to lose an average of under 1 pound a week over a months time, i will lower my calories,. hope that makes a little sense :)


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