Difference of JUDDD & 5 2? Lots of newbies wanna know.

Shinleaf · 03-11-2013, 05:02 PM

No I havent bought the books. Harder to find precise info. Im sure its been discussed here, so maybe you could point the way?

Does anyone do 4 3 with any success?

Thx

Librarygirl · 03-11-2013, 05:30 PM

The major difference is that JUDDD is fasting every other day, and 5:2 is only 2 fast days a week with more than one UD in a row. 5:2 recommends 2000 calories a day for women, with 2 500 calorie fasting days a week. JUDDD's numbers are over all considerably lower, depending on your age/weight/height.

leonak · 03-11-2013, 05:34 PM

I am doing 5/2 with JUDDD #'s; 2 DD and 5 UD. If i ate 2000 calories a day i would gain!!! I like the JUDDD #'s because it takes into consideration, my age, height, etc. 5/2 says the "average" person will loss 4 # a month. Many on JUDDD lose more #'s in a month then on 5/2.

mom23kids · 03-11-2013, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Librarygirl

The major difference is that JUDDD is fasting every other day, and 5:2 is only 2 fast days a week with more than one UD in a row. 5:2 recommends 2000 calories a day for women, with 2 500 calorie fasting days a week. JUDDD's numbers are over all considerably lower, depending on your age/weight/height.

Yep, what she said

In the IF (intermittent fasting) world, JUDDD or alternate day fasting would be the strictest form. 5:2 would be a step lower and then fasting windows would be below that (most commonly the 5 hour window or the 8 hour window). I've experimented with them all and I definitely saw the biggest, most consistent weight loss with JUDDD. However, I'm interested in a JUDDD/5:2 hybrid for maintenance, probably starting next month.

Librarygirl · 03-11-2013, 05:38 PM

I haven't read 5:2, but it assumes you are considerably overweight (hence, 2000 calories). If you are only slightly heavier than "normal", then of course your numbers would have to be adjusted.

gotsomeold · 03-12-2013, 03:44 AM

All of the IF WOEs (and LC and, yes, even PH the Potato Hack) work because your body activates sirtuin enzymes while going into ketosis (preferentially burns fat for energy) (yes, JUDDD newbies with leftover ketostix, check on a DD, some of you will see pink).

Every body is different. The pattern that works for one person can be too little or too much for another...leading to weight gain, stall, or the degraded health/energy of the dreaded starvation mode.

JUDDDs steady up/down seems to work best for many bodies. But any pattern that fits your lifestyle is worth trying. JUDDDs calories - calculated based on your probable resting metabolic rate (RMR) are very, very effective.

I suspect weight loss would go better if you started with something like JUDDD or LC to activate the SIRTs more quickly, then transitioned to the less rigorous 5:2, Fast 5, etc, etc. But it really does depend on your personal metabolism.

I lost well on JUDDD. And I am maintaining with one strict DD every three or four rotations (the rest of my DDs are higher but usually at or below my calculated RMR).

SlowSure · 03-12-2013, 04:20 AM

In the UK, 5:2 was popularised by Dr Michael Mosley. He sometimes answers questions on Twitter. A number of UK food and science writers who follow 5:2 are on Twitter as well.

Dr Mosley tells people that in addition to the 2 fast days, he doesn't eat lunch on most of the other 5 days. However, he does this because he specifically wants to hold a below 'average' weight to check its metabolic advantages for a lower disease burden, longer life etc.

Carly · 03-12-2013, 05:16 AM

I lost very well with strict eod rotations. I maintain with 4:3.

Farm Gal · 03-12-2013, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gotsomeold

All of the IF WOEs (and LC and, yes, even PH the Potato Hack) work because your body activates sirtuin enzymes while going into ketosis (preferentially burns fat for energy) (yes, JUDDD newbies with leftover ketostix, check on a DD, some of you will see pink).

Every body is different. The pattern that works for one person can be too little or too much for another...leading to weight gain, stall, or the degraded health/energy of the dreaded starvation mode.

JUDDDs steady up/down seems to work best for many bodies. But any pattern that fits your lifestyle is worth trying. JUDDDs calories - calculated based on your probable resting metabolic rate (RMR) are very, very effective.

I suspect weight loss would go better if you started with something like JUDDD or LC to activate the SIRTs more quickly, then transitioned to the less rigorous 5:2, Fast 5, etc, etc. But it really does depend on your personal metabolism.

I lost well on JUDDD. And I am maintaining with one strict DD every three or four rotations (the rest of my DDs are higher but usually at or below my calculated RMR).

Kissa · 03-12-2013, 01:35 PM

All answered.

Zib · 03-12-2013, 01:56 PM

Just FYI - I understand from the ABC new interview with Dr. Mosley that PBS will be showing his BBC special, "Eat, Fast, and Live Longer" in the Spring, so keep a look out for it.

03-11-2013, 05:02 PM	#1
Shinleaf Junior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 5 Gallery: Shinleaf	Difference of JUDDD & 5 2? Lots of newbies wanna know. No I havent bought the books. Harder to find precise info. Im sure its been discussed here, so maybe you could point the way? Does anyone do 4 3 with any success? Thx

03-12-2013, 03:44 AM	#6
gotsomeold Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Asheville, NC / Marietta, Ga Posts: 3,287 Gallery: gotsomeold Stats: 175/127.6/GOAL at 128, size six fits! 5'4, 60yo WOE: JUDDD, PHD Start Date: LC/EFGT - 9/15/11, JUDDD - 1/1/12	All of the IF WOEs (and LC and, yes, even PH the Potato Hack) work because your body activates sirtuin enzymes while going into ketosis (preferentially burns fat for energy) (yes, JUDDD newbies with leftover ketostix, check on a DD, some of you will see pink). Every body is different. The pattern that works for one person can be too little or too much for another...leading to weight gain, stall, or the degraded health/energy of the dreaded starvation mode. JUDDDs steady up/down seems to work best for many bodies. But any pattern that fits your lifestyle is worth trying. JUDDDs calories - calculated based on your probable resting metabolic rate (RMR) are very, very effective. I suspect weight loss would go better if you started with something like JUDDD or LC to activate the SIRTs more quickly, then transitioned to the less rigorous 5:2, Fast 5, etc, etc. But it really does depend on your personal metabolism. I lost well on JUDDD. And I am maintaining with one strict DD every three or four rotations (the rest of my DDs are higher but usually at or below my calculated RMR). __________________ - Nancy GOAL 10/3/12 Still at goal 2/6/13 JUDDD cares about calories. JUDDD does not care what you eat. Your body probably does. Combining JUDDD rotations with PHD foods got me to goal with greatly improved health (and a drive to boogie-boogie-boogie all night long). Last edited by gotsomeold; 03-12-2013 at 03:45 AM..

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03-11-2013, 05:30 PM	#2
Librarygirl Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: South Carolina Posts: 3,778 Gallery: Librarygirl Stats: HW 207/(JUDDD) 198/CW 180/GW 130 5'4 49 yo WOE: JUDDD Start Date: Low calorie 6/12 ; Low carb 9/12/ ; JUDDD 11/13/12	The major difference is that JUDDD is fasting every other day, and 5:2 is only 2 fast days a week with more than one UD in a row. 5:2 recommends 2000 calories a day for women, with 2 500 calorie fasting days a week. JUDDD's numbers are over all considerably lower, depending on your age/weight/height.

03-11-2013, 05:34 PM	#3
leonak Senior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: USA Posts: 634 Gallery: leonak Stats: 121/118/110-114 WOE: JUDDD and 5/2!!! Start Date: Restart - May 1, 2013	I am doing 5/2 with JUDDD #'s; 2 DD and 5 UD. If i ate 2000 calories a day i would gain!!! I like the JUDDD #'s because it takes into consideration, my age, height, etc. 5/2 says the "average" person will loss 4 # a month. Many on JUDDD lose more #'s in a month then on 5/2.

03-11-2013, 05:38 PM	#5
Librarygirl Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: South Carolina Posts: 3,778 Gallery: Librarygirl Stats: HW 207/(JUDDD) 198/CW 180/GW 130 5'4 49 yo WOE: JUDDD Start Date: Low calorie 6/12 ; Low carb 9/12/ ; JUDDD 11/13/12	I haven't read 5:2, but it assumes you are considerably overweight (hence, 2000 calories). If you are only slightly heavier than "normal", then of course your numbers would have to be adjusted.

03-12-2013, 04:20 AM	#7
SlowSure Senior LCF Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Nr London, UK Posts: 749 Gallery: SlowSure Stats: 157/135/130 WOE: JUDDD (3 DD, 3 UD, 1 MD) Potato hack 3-30 March Start Date: 11 Dec. 2011 Restart 1 Jan 2013	In the UK, 5:2 was popularised by Dr Michael Mosley. He sometimes answers questions on Twitter. A number of UK food and science writers who follow 5:2 are on Twitter as well. Dr Mosley tells people that in addition to the 2 fast days, he doesn't eat lunch on most of the other 5 days. However, he does this because he specifically wants to hold a below 'average' weight to check its metabolic advantages for a lower disease burden, longer life etc.

03-12-2013, 05:16 AM	#8
Carly Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: New York Posts: 4,198 Gallery: Carly Stats: 199/123.2/126.8 5'2" 36yrs Size 20/4P WOE: 5:2 to maintain Start Date: 2/21/12- Low carb (199lbs) 3/28/12 JUDDD (189lbs)	I lost very well with strict eod rotations. I maintain with 4:3.

03-12-2013, 01:35 PM	#10
Kissa Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 16,464 Gallery: Kissa Stats: 184/124/126 5'3" Age 65 WOE: JUDDD/5:2 Start Date: 2001 Atkins -50 2011 JUDDD - 10	All answered.

03-12-2013, 01:56 PM	#11
Zib Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: usually at home Posts: 2,552 Gallery: Zib WOE: JUDDD Start Date: August 2012 - Cholesterol down 70 points!	Just FYI - I understand from the ABC new interview with Dr. Mosley that PBS will be showing his BBC special, "Eat, Fast, and Live Longer" in the Spring, so keep a look out for it.