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Old 03-05-2013, 04:41 PM   #91
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I think you would be ok if you don't regularly overdo your UDs, Carly. Obviously you don't, since you don't need to count. I didn't run your numbers but you could probably eat around 1900-2000 UDs, especially since you don't eat much on DDs.
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:52 PM   #92
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I'm trying to keep up with the readiing, but I could use a summary of who is actually happy with 5:2. Are you enjoying your UDs/RDs? Do you feel you can eat freely 5 days a week with only 2 DDs? I'm thoroughly enjoying JUDDDing with 3 fixed DDs and no counting on my 4 UDs, but if those of you in maintanence feel you can eat freely with 5 UDs I may be willing to join in April
I'm thrilled with 5:2. I'm enjoying my UDs, though I have noticed a tendency lately to go over. I don't know if it's 5:2, or maintenance, or increased exercise though, so I don't know where the blame lies. However, I have still maintained, or even lost a little going over on some UDs, and only having 2 DDs per week. I've actually decided to increase my calories to 2000/500 for 5:2 and see what happens. I was at 1750-1800/200-400. Last night, I gave myself the freedom to eat up to 2000 calories and ended the day at 1905, even with exercise where I burned over 400 calories, so my net was less than 1500.

I don't think I'll ever be able to eat "freely" though, but that's just me. I either have to count everything, or count nothing, and counting nothing got me to nearly 300 pounds.
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Old 03-05-2013, 06:00 PM   #93
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I decided on 1700 UDs. I went over yesterday, but felt very empty this morning as if I'd eaten nothing the day before lol. Originally I was going to do 1500, but I'm not there yet.

ETA: You're still on board, right?
Yea, I'm hanging in here! I'm giving it a little more time and seeing how it goes. Decided to have a "talk" with DH and the things he tends to say about me not "eating enough" or "is that all you are going to eat" that makes me second guess my hunger and eat when I'm not really hungry. Was easier when I lived alone!

I am going to see if I can just eat when I'm hungry and stop when I'm full on my RDs. I did this on JUDDD and it was really easy and I was actually eating just right calorie wise back. I do feel the appetite suppression kicking in on this 5:2 WOE so maybe this will work............if I can get DH to mind his own business about how much I'm eating or should be eating!!
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Old 03-05-2013, 06:04 PM   #94
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I'm so glad you are hanging in there with me! Yay! My bf is noticing and enjoying my weight loss and doesn't seem to mind me having DD's, lol. I have actually noticed how little he eats, compared to me, since I started JUDDD. He is 5'11 and 165 lbs.
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I'm trying to keep up with the readiing, but I could use a summary of who is actually happy with 5:2. Are you enjoying your UDs/RDs? Do you feel you can eat freely 5 days a week with only 2 DDs? I'm thoroughly enjoying JUDDDing with 3 fixed DDs and no counting on my 4 UDs, but if those of you in maintanence feel you can eat freely with 5 UDs I may be willing to join in April
Carly, so sorry if I've confused you with my ramblings of #'s! I've been perfectly happy with 5:2 so far. Until....I thought I could raise my UD #'s!! My first 3 UD's & first 2 DD's went wonderfully, until I got to my next UD(yesterday). I allowed myself to not count & went bonkers!! I ate everything in sight & then, some! I didn't do that until then. So, I definitely need to count. Maybe that negates 5:2; but I'm hoping I can do 1600/500 on 5:2. I still have not finished the book; but, surely Dr. Mosley is aware that as we age 2000 calories a day is too many for older women? I'm just hard headed enough to make this work!
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Old 03-06-2013, 05:26 AM   #98
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I am hanging in there with 5:2 and counting every day. I really only have 2 DDs under my belt on this plan but not seeing results yet. Does anyone know if it is important to eat up to your UD calories on this plan like JUDDD? I have come in low on a couple of UDs due to my diligence and also sort of arbitrarily made up my own numbers (350/1600) (Who said they came in low on an UD?? Couldn't be me!)
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I am enjoying 5:2 and also liking the results. I don't bounce way up after a UD, which is nice and I just feel lighter. I'm doing a DD today and hope to reach a new low. If not tomorrow, the next day. I seem to show the results 2 days later rather than the next day, even more so than on JUDDD.
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Good morning again!...sharing

I see I'm going to need to count my UD calories, not just to not go over but to make sure I eat enough. Yesterday I thought I had gone way over and when I logged them in it was just slightly over 1200 and I don't want to go into starvation mode. I know this is prob temporary and will change the longer I stay on program. My menu was: a turkey sausage, wasa bread with laughing cow cheese, t sf jelly for breakfast; for lunch, pan broiled orange roughy filet and cole slaw; for dinner, taco salad then low carb ice cream for a snack.

They say not to do this diet if you have a history of eating disorders and I do or I wouldn't be here so that's one good reasom the counts will be necessary for me And also, prob all the more reason some of the rules have to be modified for me.

Another UD for me again today, I don't have a menu, I never stay on plan anyway. Usually on Wednesdays, Mr and I have fried shrimp, I dunno. I have a 13 hour fast so far, at least a 12 hour fast daily seems workable for me so far.

I think I am going to begin walking on my treadmill soon, it's been a long time but my knee is so much better and I know I need to try for my health. I prob will have a temp weight gain but that's okay, I won't know it since I'm not going to weight again until April 2nd. Freedom from the scale!

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Old 03-06-2013, 10:34 AM   #102
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I am really enjoying 5:2. I will be interested to see Friday's weigh in as I'll be back to my 'usual' scales. 126 would make me happy.
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So, I'm up 2.5 lbs. I'm hoping the dinner I had last night was saltier than I thought. I'll give this until Saturday, but if I hit or go up over my January beginning weight, I don't know what I'm going to do.
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Old 03-06-2013, 01:39 PM   #104
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Gained the same 2 pounds from first of 3 UDs yesterday and at this rate will be be up 5 pounds before my DD on Friday!

NOT happy at the moment!
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OMG Vanilla and Beeb - say it ain't so! How can a diet with controlled calories make you gain??? I am not losing yet on 5:2 but also not gaining. If that starts I will be stopping immediately. Wishing you best of luck and better results soon!
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Old 03-07-2013, 04:07 AM   #106
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I'm worried too Linda and Nilla! I really like the ease of this WOE, so I hope it will be worth our while. I have only lost 2 lbs a month on JUDDD since the first month, so if I can at least lose that much I will stick to it.
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Small gain for me today after my second, very controlled UD (1425 cals and 1501 cals) but not enough to really count as anything but rounding. If I don't start seeing some drops soon I will be switching back to JUDDD and going LC JUDDD. As much as I would hate to give up my lovely carbs the point of a diet is to lose weight, right? Not to starve yourself and deny yourself and then come onto an online community and complain you aren't losing anything. Just checking, sigh.
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I feel more in control mentally today. I have a game plan. I gave some thought to dds yesterday and see that I need to be more prepared, I need to set a routine. I really don't care for precooked meat but it will help so I have chicken breast cooked and a fish filet thawing in the frig; some asparagus and stirfry peppers, steamed cabbage so there's a choice, remembering it's just 24 hours and it's just food.

I had forgotten how eating low fat is so much lower in calories, my DDs will be low fat and UDs normal, more like Atkins.
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Old 03-07-2013, 08:29 AM   #109
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Well, today should have been a DD but I switched things up a bit because of dinner out with friends. Weighed in today at 155.8, up 2.6 pounds since Tuesday's weigh in after a DD.

Been doing a lot of "observation" in the last 3 days and this is what I have found:

Day 1 after a DD is a low hunger day and I could care less if I eat or not UNTIL I start to eat, then I have to pull myself into not over eating.

Day 2 after a DD I'm in almost binging mode again and REALLY have to watch or I just eat and eat! I think my head is telling my body to prepare for the "hunger day" ahead again like it did when I did JUDDD.

Day 3 (today which should be a DD) I'm not hunger at all, as if it was a DD. Since today is suppose to be a DD that makes sense to me because my body understands the up and down during this time every week now.

The same things happen when F/S/S are UDs and Monday is the usual DD. I eat as Day 1 and 2 as above but then on Day 3 (Sunday) I'm eating the paint off the walls again, binging behavior lurking right below the surface!

Maybe IF of any kind is just NOT for me! I love it, too but it just causes so many food head issues for me. And they don't kick in until about 3 to 4 weeks into a WOE now. With JUDDD it took months, but now it's right away but not so immediately that I can catch it and correct it. By the time the binging starts to try to come to the surface I'm frustrated, disgusted and scared of this cycle starting all over again that I have battled since last April!

I'm taking a break, just eating when I'm hungry and trying to listen to my body "clues" that tell me what to eat, or drink or not to do either. AND I'm NOT going to push pass that "I'm full" point because when I do I set myself up for an eating frenzy!!

Will see what happens, but still sticking around to see how you guys are doing!
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Oh Linda, I'm so sad you're having to deal with all that. I wish I had some words of wisdom or advice.
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I weigh every day, but the bounce doesn't bother me. Some people weigh once a week, only after a DD, and others once a month or not at all, using measurments as their guide.
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Linda, I hope my crunching the numbers didn't throw you off. I have begun to think that I actually need to eat more than what I first calculated. I am eating between 1700-1800, so we'll see where that gets me (hopefully not back in my fat clothes! ). If restricting too much causes binging, why not just eat 2000 calories a day and still have 2 DDs? I understand if it's more complicated than that. Please check in and let us know how you're doing, ok?
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Linda, I hope my crunching the numbers didn't throw you off. I have begun to think that I actually need to eat more than what I first calculated. I am eating between 1700-1800, so we'll see where that gets me (hopefully not back in my fat clothes! ). If restricting too much causes binging, why not just eat 2000 calories a day and still have 2 DDs? I understand if it's more complicated than that. Please check in and let us know how you're doing, ok?
OH NO, not at all! You have been so encouraging, as have so many others that it's not the "numbers" but my head that is throwing me off!

I need to get to a place where food doesn't rule my life and that eating less is REALLY OK!

I'll get there, just need a break and need to REALLY need to learn listen to my body and NOT my head!

I use to listen when I was younger, and I look back and see how I really ate sensible and ONLY when I was truly hungry. Some days I hardly ate anything at all, so busy I would "forget" to eat, and I didn't starve back then either. When I was hungry I ate lots of good, when I wasn't I just didn't eat for the sake of eating! This is what I do now; just eat for the sake of eating and NOT because I'm truly hungry! Now I eat just to eat, and this is not a good thing! Needs to change and moving toward that "younger thinking" again!

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Old 03-07-2013, 09:31 AM   #114
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Thanks Dawn for your caring comments to me in here!

I weigh everyday too, and the bounce never bothered me either until I kept seeing the same 2+ pounds over and over again no matter how hard I work a plan.

Time to just step back, regroup and get my head AWAY from diet mode and binge mode!
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Small gain for me today after my second, very controlled UD (1425 cals and 1501 cals) but not enough to really count as anything but rounding. If I don't start seeing some drops soon I will be switching back to JUDDD and going LC JUDDD. As much as I would hate to give up my lovely carbs the point of a diet is to lose weight, right? Not to starve yourself and deny yourself and then come onto an online community and complain you aren't losing anything. Just checking, sigh.
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Well, today should have been a DD but I switched things up a bit because of dinner out with friends. Weighed in today at 155.8, up 2.6 pounds since Tuesday's weigh in after a DD.

Been doing a lot of "observation" in the last 3 days and this is what I have found:

Day 1 after a DD is a low hunger day and I could care less if I eat or not UNTIL I start to eat, then I have to pull myself into not over eating.

Day 2 after a DD I'm in almost binging mode again and REALLY have to watch or I just eat and eat! I think my head is telling my body to prepare for the "hunger day" ahead again like it did when I did JUDDD.

Day 3 (today which should be a DD) I'm not hunger at all, as if it was a DD. Since today is suppose to be a DD that makes sense to me because my body understands the up and down during this time every week now.

The same things happen when F/S/S are UDs and Monday is the usual DD. I eat as Day 1 and 2 as above but then on Day 3 (Sunday) I'm eating the paint off the walls again, binging behavior lurking right below the surface!

Maybe IF of any kind is just NOT for me! I love it, too but it just causes so many food head issues for me. And they don't kick in until about 3 to 4 weeks into a WOE now. With JUDDD it took months, but now it's right away but not so immediately that I can catch it and correct it. By the time the binging starts to try to come to the surface I'm frustrated, disgusted and scared of this cycle starting all over again that I have battled since last April!

I'm taking a break, just eating when I'm hungry and trying to listen to my body "clues" that tell me what to eat, or drink or not to do either. AND I'm NOT going to push pass that "I'm full" point because when I do I set myself up for an eating frenzy!!

Will see what happens, but still sticking around to see how you guys are doing!
Have either of you read the book Thin For Life by Annie Fletcher, M.S, R.D.? I'm part way through it and it's seriously blowing me away! It's not a dieting book but instead the author talked to most 200 people who lost weight, in various ways, but then have kept it off for years. She also talks to different scientists, pysycologists etc. Its made me realize there's so much more that needs to come into play for successful weight loss and maintenance, than what plan you've chosen to follow. I've actually started taking notes! I highly recommend reading this, for everyone. It's been very eye opening for me
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I'm having some of the same issues as Linda! Except JUDDD DID work for me!! Here's what I posted on the IF thread for those of us in maintenance:

Hi all!! I've decided that I need to stick with JUDDD! I've begun a weight creep up with playing around with 5:2. I think Sara had a talk with her DH about maintenance. I had the same talk with my DH yesterday. He's doing JUDDD also & I'm finding that me being on a different plan is too confusing for both of us! On his DD's, I'm trying to eat when he isn't around & visa versa. It makes me feel sneaky & I tend to over eat. Crazy, right??!

I've also decided to go back to weight loss mode & lose the 4 pounds I've gained & a few pounds more to give myself a better range to work maintenance. I'll still check in here to see how everyone is doing. And I'll be back in maintenance mode soon!!


Why try to fix what aint broke, huh? JUDDD worked better for me than anything ever has. I was happy with it! I am no longer happy with 5:2. That's just me. I am happy for those of you who it does work for. I wish you all the best & will watch your progress!!
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Have either of you read the book Thin For Life by Annie Fletcher, M.S, R.D.? I'm part way through it and it's seriously blowing me away! It's not a dieting book but instead the author talked to most 200 people who lost weight, in various ways, but then have kept it off for years. She also talks to different scientists, pysycologists etc. Its made me realize there's so much more that needs to come into play for successful weight loss and maintenance, than what plan you've chosen to follow. I've actually started taking notes! I highly recommend reading this, for everyone. It's been very eye opening for me
Sara, I just got the Lean for Life Phase One book. But, it's by Cynthia Stamper Graff with Jerry Holderman. So, I gather this isn't the book you're talking about? I wonder if it's just someone else's take on the same WOE?
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Linda - I hear where you're coming from. There has to be a balance - you want to eat "LESS" because you've been overeating in general, but your brain needs to be satisfied that you are eating "ENOUGH". tough to do...

I was struggling with that on JUDD as well. I took some maintenance breaks. What that meant was a concerted and conscious effort to maintain - not "go off and eat how i used to" - that would get me in trouble. I set what I think is a generous calorie allotment for me (range of 1800-2200 a day) and I ate 2-4 meals a day (2 big meals or 2 meals one snack, one full plate of food 3x a day, etc) and probably one day a week where I just tried to be "mindful" - trying to pay attention to portion size and hunger levels and that's it. Helped me tremendously in my head.

Now I am balancing 5:2 with an IF eating window and still trending down - it is SUPER SLOW, but I'll take it since I feel much more "normal" regarding food these days and I've kept my mini-goal of staying under 145...still a little obsessed, but we're all a little cray-cray, right? :-P

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Old 03-07-2013, 10:28 AM   #119
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I'm having some of the same issues as Linda! Except JUDDD DID work for me!! Here's what I posted on the IF thread for those of us in maintenance:

Hi all!! I've decided that I need to stick with JUDDD! I've begun a weight creep up with playing around with 5:2. I think Sara had a talk with her DH about maintenance. I had the same talk with my DH yesterday. He's doing JUDDD also & I'm finding that me being on a different plan is too confusing for both of us! On his DD's, I'm trying to eat when he isn't around & visa versa. It makes me feel sneaky & I tend to over eat. Crazy, right??!

I've also decided to go back to weight loss mode & lose the 4 pounds I've gained & a few pounds more to give myself a better range to work maintenance. I'll still check in here to see how everyone is doing. And I'll be back in maintenance mode soon!!


Why try to fix what aint broke, huh? JUDDD worked better for me than anything ever has. I was happy with it! I am no longer happy with 5:2. That's just me. I am happy for those of you who it does work for. I wish you all the best & will watch your progress!!
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Sara, I just got the Lean for Life Phase One book. But, it's by Cynthia Stamper Graff with Jerry Holderman. So, I gather this isn't the book you're talking about? I wonder if it's just someone else's take on the same WOE?
Different book I'm still reading it, but so far it's not a book about any one woe. Instead the author interviews people that lost on all kinds of plans and finds out their 'secrets' for loss and maintenance. More about the mindset/psycology that needs to take place for weight loss success. So far the author has not advocated one way of eating as the 'right' way
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Old 03-07-2013, 10:38 AM   #120
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Sara, I just got the Lean for Life Phase One book. But, it's by Cynthia Stamper Graff with Jerry Holderman. So, I gather this isn't the book you're talking about? I wonder if it's just someone else's take on the same WOE?
Lean for Life is a plan I followed years ago and I really like it. I have a second book that is for maintenance and I like it also but it is all about Lindora clinics diet but a follow at home version. Lower carb, low fat diet but easy to follow in my opinion.
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