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Old 03-03-2013, 08:03 PM   #31
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If you ate 1900 a day, plus 2 DDs of 500 each, you would average 1500 calories a day. With a little wiggle room.
Oh boy!! 1900 calories scares the bajeebers outta me!!! I think I'll see what the scales say tomorrow. I have lost weight this past week since I've been on 5:2. That's ok; but, I don't want to continue to do that forever.
Thanks for helping me with the numbers!

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Old 03-04-2013, 01:08 AM   #32
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Great idea to start a weekly thread.....

I am doing 4:3. Having 500 on DD's and 1600 on UD's ...averaging at 1200 a day. So hopefully will lose on that.

Shari it is scary...and in the beginning I really struggled to do that amount...and this is why in the beginning I wasn't losing. You are at goal...so give it a try and if you find you are plonking back on...rein it back in. I understand your worry though cos I was same/am still the same. Feel guilty if I have 2000 and am OK with that if I am doing alternative fasting but with this...hmmm think 2000 would be too much for me to lose. But we are all experimenting with the numbers its what its all about.

Call me a sceptic...but I am not sure that unless you have a large amount of weight to lose I don't think you can lose on 5:2 if you are not counting your calories on the UD's. Boring as counting is. All my friends who have tried 5:2 and only have a small amount of weight haven't lost any. However, I have an app on my phone and find that great.

Keiras Mum....How do you keep to 200 - 400 on DD's ouch..I find 500 a struggle...so take my hat off to you. Do you have soup or green tea only?

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Old 03-04-2013, 02:38 AM   #33
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OH and I have been following a pattern of 3 DD, 3 UP and one MD as this seems to fit in better with our sports, social and work commitments.

The JUDDD calculator suggests 373 kcals for a DD and 1865 for an UD (which averages out as 1120 kcals per day, over a 14 day period). Over a week, that is a recommended total of 7840 kcals. So, if the 3x DD are approx 375 kcals each, that leaves 6715 kcals for the other 4 days: approx. 1000 kcals for the MD and 1900 kcals for the 3x UD. I've been following this since early January and have stalled since the beginning of Feb.

This WOE has worked very well for my DH so I'm reluctant to disturb the household rhythm by changing it. However, he's now on a business trip for 2 weeks so I'm thinking of trying out the Potato Hack. I need to do something as I find stalls to be demotivating.
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Interesting posts I ended my 2 week induction and went straight from that to a 4:3. I had posted a question on a separate thread, and it was: if I was doing alternate day fasting...my calories would be 552/2700. How would you do a 4:3 with two updays on the weekend?
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Let me also state: I am not a 5:2 expert. I only play one on the internet. I haven't read the book and was doing the calorie calculations from JUDDD. JUDDD is supposed to work with eod alternating, so these numbers may be too low, or they may be too high... I was using logic, but no specific knowledge of how 5:2 works.
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Old 03-04-2013, 04:45 AM   #36
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I spent the last week eating like I would on JUDDD eod, and I haven't lost any either. I don't believe you can eat intuitively or 2000 calories as is suggested for women with only 2 DDs and lose weight. Not unless you are at a weight that could lose on that amount. I don't think it would work for everyone. JUDDD numbers are high because you are fasting eod and your average is low enough to lose, therefore I think you would have to count on 5:2 and adjust the numbers so they are low enough to lose.
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I spent the last week eating like I would on JUDDD eod, and I haven't lost any either. I don't believe you can eat intuitively or 2000 calories as is suggested for women with only 2 DDs and lose weight. Not unless you are at a weight that could lose on that amount. I don't think it would work for everyone. JUDDD numbers are high because you are fasting eod and your average is low enough to lose, therefore I think you would have to count on 5:2 and adjust the numbers so they are low enough to lose.
Exactly my sentiments....you would have a lot of weight to lose with that combination of 5:2 eating exactly what you want on the UD's. So working out some figures as boring as it is...I think is crucial if its to work.

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Old 03-04-2013, 06:25 AM   #38
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As I was sitting in traffic on the way to work lol, I considered this again. Actually at 2000 cals a day and 2 fasting days, averaging about 1571, I would be nearly 300 calories *under* maintenance for my weight. At that rate, I would *lose*, but it would only be about 1-2 lbs a month (much as I'm doing now ).

For some reason, I am finally ready to count and make the numbers work. I wasn't doing that consistently with JUDDD. Depending on how this week goes, I may go back to ADF, just to have more calories every other day...unless it satisfies me to do it this way...let the experimenting commence!

ETA: Some people *will* lose better at 2000 a day because of age (younger), exercise, or just faster metabolism.

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Old 03-04-2013, 06:42 AM   #39
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I actually eat way more vegetables and fruit on my DDs. I know I got in a lot yesterday. I think there's more behind the naysayers than honesty. There's little to be gained, money wise, for anyone and that never sits well with Big Brother.
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Me too Cindy, more vegetables especially. I haven't begun with fruits yet but I never ate fruits other than mainly bananas. I got so satisfied with Atkins, it's difficult for me to add some things in, still. When I do, I still try to maintain low carb. This makes me understand why most Juddders are leery of the differences. I think I'm living testament that lc works but the high fat doesn't work long term for me. .

When I was on WW, I always ended up going for ff potato chips, strange how just the name of a woe triggers opinions. I don't remember anyone worrying about me getting all my nutrients,

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I usually have coffee or tea for breakfast.
Lunch is usually a small Wendy's chili for 210 calories.
Dinner: If I'm not too hungry, I'll have a miso soup with a little gluc powder for 25 calories. If I am hungry, I'll have fish and veggies, usually around 100-150 calories. I really feel satisfied eating this way.
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I'm noticing a weird thing with me on 5:2, but I don't know if it's 5:2, or my exercise, or just being in maintenance and trying to loosen up a bit, but I find I'm actually going over on my UDs way more than I ever did in WLM on JUDDD.

Saturday, I got a lot of exercise in (burned over 600 calories) but I stayed right around my UD numbers. However, yesterday, I didn't exercise at all, wasn't hungry for dinner, but ate anyway, but then I got snacky in the evening and ate a bunch of wasabi rice crackers and strawberries. I went over by nearly 300 calories. I also had stuffed French toast for lunch. I'm not usually a sweets craver, so this surprised me. My carbs were CRAZY yesterday, and I don't even generally think about them at all, so I was surprised.

As an aside, yesterday was the last day of TOM, so maybe that affected it. I haven't been gaining more than a normal bounce when I go over, so maybe I need the extra calories because of my exercise, or maintenance? I'm not worried about it, exactly, but find it odd.
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Dawn, according to the TDEE calculator I'm using, you would need nearly 2000 (1962) cals a day to maintain your weight, so you probably are still in WLM, if you're eating under that plus 2 fasting days of under 500 cals.
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I have lots to say; but, no time right now! I've got shopping & tons of other things to do. I'll be back later today to add to the conversation.I love all of the comments & participation on this thread!!

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I'm joining you all here!

My SD/DD calories are hovering around 410/450 and my RD/UD calories I'm "trying" to keep at 1700/1750.

I only had a bounce of 1.2 pounds with 3 RD/UDs under my belt and I'm REALLY pleases about this! It's taken 2 weeks for this plan to start to show me losses and I'm really happy eating this way. I'm also finding that eating 2 to 3 meals on my RD/UDs and watching my evening snacking is working like a charm to keep me for overeating on my RD/UDs!

So far I'm down 1.5 pounds which may not seem like much but for me it's going well, slow and steady and I like that!!
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Dawn, according to the TDEE calculator I'm using, you would need nearly 2000 (1962) cals a day to maintain your weight, so you probably are still in WLM, if you're eating under that plus 2 fasting days of under 500 cals.
I have to go back and recalculate my TDEE. I think it was around 1750, though that was without exercise. I think my BMR was in the 1400s. It's been a few weeks though, and I don't remember where I wrote it down.
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I am counting fastidiously today and although I'm not hungry, I see that I can only have my Lean Cuisine that I brought with me for lunch and that will leave 700 for dinner. I already have hamburgers planned for dinner (330 a patty) and will roast some potatoes in the oven. Hopefully, I will have room for a wee dessert.

Normally on UDs I throw caution to the wind, and eat candy, snacks, meals and desserts all day...no wonder I wasn't losing very much LOL!
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I have to go back and recalculate my TDEE. I think it was around 1750, though that was without exercise. I think my BMR was in the 1400s. It's been a few weeks though, and I don't remember where I wrote it down.
At 1800 calories a day with 2 fasting days of 400, the daily average would equal 1400. So that is definitely WLM for your age, height and weight.
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I was relieved to see that I was only up 1 lb. after the last 3 eating days over the weekend. One of which was my 2 yr. old grand daughter's Winnie the Pooh birthday party on Sat., where I had quite a few piglets in a blanket, some baked ziti, fried chicken, handfuls of honey roasted peanuts, chocolate covered pretzels, and a cupcake. Then last night visiting with friends over coffee, I had a big piece of toasted almond torte cake and before going to bed had a couple girl scout chocolate thin mints & peanut butter tagalong cookies.

I get a lot more carb. cravings for sweets when I'm PMSing, which I definitely am this week. Before I started doing IF, my usual pre TOM gain was 5 lbs. so anything less is progress for me.

For my 2 fasting days a week (M & TH), I'm going back to having coffee with 1 Quest Bar @ 10:00, 1 meal replacement whey protein shake @ 2:00, and a diet hot cocoa @ 6:00. I find it works better for me to control my hunger, because once I introduce the taste of any real food that it opens up my appetite to want over 500 max.

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At 1800 calories a day with 2 fasting days of 400, the daily average would equal 1400. So that is definitely WLM for your age, height and weight.
Okay, I just went back to the TDEE calculator and here's what I got, using weight of 160, Female, 40 years old, and 69 inches tall (not counting ANY fasting days):

With no exercise
BMR 1464
TDEE 1756
20% reduction for weight loss 1405

Light exercise 1-3 days per week
BMR 1464
TDEE 2013
20% reduction for weight loss 1610

Moderate exercise 3-5 days per week
BMR 1464
TDEE 2269
20% reduction for weight loss 1815

I probably fall somewhere between the light and moderate exercise options. My Zumba classes are pretty intense, but I usually do 3 days (sometimes more) per week.

I almost think I could change my goals to 2000/day for my 5 UDs and 500 or fewer for my 2 DDs. I'm a little worried to change anything though since it's going so well. That would average 1572 which would be between my no exercise TDEE and WLM. I still could lose some more and not be unhealthy, but I am contemplating adding lifting as well as my cardio and honestly would enjoy a few more calories (I'm not going to lie--I love to eat!). I guess I could always add more if needed later, or reduce if I start to gain. Hmmm . . . just thinking through my typing fingers right now.
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That sounds wonderful, Dawn! I know it must be scary to eat more calories when you've been in WLM for so long. I think it will be pretty easy for me. I am thinking of training for a triathalon so I can eat more!
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At 1800 calories a day with 2 fasting days of 400, the daily average would equal 1400. So that is definitely WLM for your age, height and weight.
Can I ask a favor? Can someone figure out what my daily calories should be for my 5 RD/UDs? I"m so confused with BMR and TDEE? What number should I go by?

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Linda, if you use the JUDDD calculator for 20% WLM, you get 1322 as your 5 RDs, with 2 500 DDs. Doesn't seem like much does it lol?
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Linda, if you use the JUDDD calculator for 20% WLM, you get 1322 as your 5 RDs, with 2 500 DDs. Doesn't seem like much does it lol?
But in the book Dr. Mosley says to use 25% of you regular calories on the DDs. At that percentage I get:

1895 UDs

474 DDs

Adding these together: 1895 x 5 = 9475 + 1000 (2 x 500) = 10475. Divide this by 7 than I should be eating 1497 a day (rounded up).

I will use 1500 calories for my RD/UD and see how it goes. I may find I'll lose a bit faster with this number instead of the 1700.

If I use TDEE I get a lot more calories a day so this is where I'm confused. What do we all go by; the BMR or TDEE?

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I have decided if I have a high UD, for whatever reason, I'll add in a 3rd DD. That should do the trick.
My up days have gone to %@#! the past 2 and I just have got to get it together. I think I got a little discouraged after weighing after a down day and seeing the scale go up instead of down. So I think I had a little bit of a "whatever" attitude on my up day, and I had another one like it yesterday. My DD today is prob going to be a little over, but we'll see.
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I was a little higher than I like to be this morning but my dinner last night was quite salty.

The scale said 128.8, I prefer 128 to be my top weight although 3 lbs either way from my goal is 129. I am also in my Devon home where the scales always weigh a bit heavier than my London ones. So I will take it.

Tomorrow will be interesting.

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Can I ask a favor? Can someone figure out what my daily calories should be for my 5 RD/UDs? I"m so confused with BMR and TDEE? What number should I go by?

55 years young
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I got:
BMR 1310
TDEE 1802
25% reduction 1351

I'm not sure if I can say which TDEE calculator I use. I think he does sell things on his site.
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I got:
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TDEE 1802
25% reduction 1351

I'm not sure if I can say which TDEE calculator I use. I think he does sell things on his site.
I have done several now and I'm getting much higher numbers then you guys are.
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Whoa, my head is spinning with all these numbers!!!!!! I thought 5:2 was supposed to be 2000/500 if it came down to numbers. That said, my JUDDD numbers are:

1998/400 (light or no exercise, 20% WLM)
1998/500 (light or no exercise, 25% WLM)

So, where do I go from here?
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Old 03-04-2013, 01:41 PM   #60
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Originally Posted by vanilla_latte View Post
Whoa, my head is spinning with all these numbers!!!!!! I thought 5:2 was supposed to be 2000/500 if it came down to numbers. That said, my JUDDD numbers are:

1998/400 (light or no exercise, 20% WLM)
1998/500 (light or no exercise, 25% WLM)

So, where do I go from here?
Whatever you feel comfortable with. I am counting because of overeating on my UDs and trying to get a feel of what a regular day should look like. Even on JUDDD I had to count my UDs even though Dr. J said it wasn't necessary. For me it's necessary!
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