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Old 01-20-2013, 07:33 AM   #1
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At what point do you guys consider reworking your UD/DD numbers?

I have spent the month going up and down 4# and although I did get a pound lower than I've been in the past few days, it's got me wondering if I need to rework my numbers now that I'm down 22# since starting. At what point do you guys decide to do this? I've mentioned before my metabolism is crappy so I'm reluctant to do this too soon...(I want to actually be able to DO maintenance at some point!), however I do want the scale to continue to drop.

Suggestions? My starting numbers were 1897/379. Reworking looks like I'd get 1782/356

FTR, I am usually way under my DD calories and pretty close to UD ones.

OR: am I just spoiled and need to shut up, stick to original numbers and be patient? LOL!!!
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Old 01-20-2013, 07:36 AM   #2
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We usually say when you start to stall and 22 pounds sounds at the limit of being able to keep the same numbers. I say go to the calculator and see where you ought to be. At Start weight I was about 1900/400 now I'm at 1600/320- makes a big difference!!!!
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Carly, that is what hit me when I was frustrated with the scale this week. Of course, I am used to seeing 2# drops weekly in my SB days. I know JUDDD is different so thought I'd ask you wise ones. I'm getting 1782/356 with the new weight so maybe that's what I'll do. The DD numbers don't mean anything to me b/c I don't normally hit them anyways. It's the UD numbers I'm most confused about now.
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Carly, that is what hit me when I was frustrated with the scale this week. Of course, I am used to seeing 2# drops weekly in my SB days. I know JUDDD is different so thought I'd ask you wise ones. I'm getting 1782/356 with the new weight so maybe that's what I'll do. The DD numbers don't mean anything to me b/c I don't normally hit them anyways. It's the UD numbers I'm most confused about now.
In reality it's the UD number that changes the most. I've lost 68 pounds- my UD number has dropped 300, but DD like less than 80 (which I never go anywhere near anyway either)
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I noticed that! It must be the weight loss mode, though? I plugged in my maintenance/goal weight numbers and the UD was right under 1600 but DD numbers were way up to 800/900. I guess that must still be enough to keep SIRTs going, though? I can't imagine DDs with that many calories! Wow!
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I noticed that! It must be the weight loss mode, though? I plugged in my maintenance/goal weight numbers and the UD was right under 1600 but DD numbers were way up to 800/900. I guess that must still be enough to keep SIRTs going, though? I can't imagine DDs with that many calories! Wow!
Does anyone else worry that we REALLY won't get to eat that high on DD? I guess I need to watch our long-term maintainers more, but I sincerely worry after having JUDDD for so long at 300, that adding 500 cals on DD may not be legit.

Sorry, didn't mean to be a buzz kill here.
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I know it doesn't sound like it will work for me. Those DDs are high! I also really like low DDs. So, I have 2 thoughts- keep low DDs but add coffee back and just eat more on UDs since at goal weight my UD is 1,500 or just have fixed MWF DDs there by cutting 1 DD out every 2 weeks. If I'm still losing with that I will go to 2 DDs a week at really low cals. Not quite there yet so I don't have to worry yet!
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I sure will be following you along, Carly! I find that once I start eating, I am hungry for more. It's just so much simpler to NOT eat on DDs than battle the hungry monster. I was hoping I could keep UDs a bit higher than the calculator says during maintenance if I keep DDs low, too. You'll definately find out way before me girly! You're rockin!

Sunday, if I were able to eat my DD calories, I would be right there with you! I'm sure you're not alone with that worry.
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Melinda, What is your DD plan? Do you eat anything?
Also, how much have you lost on JUDDD? Just trying to see where this IF takes me. I am thinking I may do the one meal a day plan for M-F and then eat pretty much all 3 meals on Sun & Sat during maintenance. I kind of like the daily fast right now.

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Sunday, I tend to stay as low as possible on DDs. I have coffee w/ a splash of skim milk throughout the morning, then normally don't eat anything until maybe dinner. I have had a starbucks sf/ff latte in the afternoons if I'm super hungry, and I've tried a few days of eating smaller snacks, but the snacks make me hungrier. (the SB usually helps a bunch) Yesterday I had a salad (veggies w/ 1 HB egg & FF ranch) at dinner time, but found I really didn't need it so only ate half.

As for weight lost on JUDDD, I try to keep my avatar stats & ticker current just for JUDDD losses. I have weighed a bit more in the past, but the ticker shows my start & currents for here only. HTH!

ETA: I have had a few DDs where I had family stuff & ate as low as possible for one meal that day. It worked fine! (and felt like such a splurge!)
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Thanks! You have done very well, with losses avg 2 lbs per week.

We have the exact same goal and height. I find it so interesting to see how fast some JUDDD budds lose. I am sure that I would be slow even on stricter plans though.
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I think I'm slowing down a bit...but it's definately to be expected, I think? I am not exercising yet, either. I find when I start exercising, I plateau awhile. We'll see how it goes this time around and I am praying it's the last time around! LOL!!!

I just posted to you on another thread about your losses. I think you've done amazing! I have lost fast in the past many times and regained just about as fast. It's the turtles I am always jealous of!!! Go you!
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Thanks! I have added kettlebells and was warned that this could cause a stall, which it did. I don't think I will ever try another method. Quite frankly, I am not so worried about being the thin person I was in my youth, as much as I want to be the healthy person of my age group now.
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I did 3 months of maintenance before I decided to lose a few more pounds. I kept my DD's low so I could add a few calories to the UD's. Those 800 calorie DD's just confuse me. I either want to eat normally or NOT eat. Eating in the middle wasn't working for me. The only way I eat higher DD's is the potato hack I am doing now. Potatoes don't seem to make me want another serving or mess up my mind as to whether I am doing an UD or a DD.
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I had lost about 35 pounds when I hit a stall. I reviewed everything I was doing and decided it was time to drop UDs and - because my DDs ranged from 100 to 600 depending on my mood - lower the high side of my DDs to around 450. Weight loss immediately returned to 2 pounds/week and I sailed right through the dreaded last ten pounds. It was lovely.

I do not think maintenance level DDs keep SIRTs activated as much as I want them to be. But, for the last almost six months, I eat one (sometimes two) under 500 calories DDs each week... at or over 500, sometimes way over, the other DDs. UDs - come to think of it, I don't overeat, but I have not counted UDs in a loooong time.

All my NSVs are still with me. Except for bouncing up to 132.0 just after Christmas feast week (gone in less than a week), I bounce gently between 127.6 and 130 - happy as a jellyfish floating in gently moving water.

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I had lost about 35 pounds when I hit a stall. I reviewed everything I was doing and decided it was time to drop UDs and - because my DDs ranged from 100 to 600 depending on my mood - lower the high side of my DDs to around 450. Weight loss immediately returned to 2 pounds/week and I sailed right through the dreaded last ten pounds. It was lovely.

I do not think maintenance level DDs keep SIRTs activated as much as I want them to be. But, for the last almost six months, I eat one (sometimes two) under 500 calories DDs each week... at or over 500, sometimes way over, the other DDs. UDs - come to think of it, I don't overeat, but I have not counted UDs in a loooong time.

All my NSVs are still with me. Except for bouncing up to 132.0 just after Christmas feast week (gone in less than a week), I bounce gently between 127.6 and 130 - happy as a jellyfish floating in gently moving water.

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I'm w/ Carly...it is so nice to hear of you all loving maintenance! I sure hope to be there one day. Thanks for chiming in JBs, I sure do appreciate the help!
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Does anyone else worry that we REALLY won't get to eat that high on DD? I guess I need to watch our long-term maintainers more, but I sincerely worry after having JUDDD for so long at 300, that adding 500 cals on DD may not be legit.

Sorry, didn't mean to be a buzz kill here.
When I played around with the calculator that thought definitely crossed my mind! That's part of the reason why I'm so interested in switching over to the 5:2 format for maintenance, because your DD (either one or two a week), is still 500 calories So pretty much your current JUDDD plan, but with fewer DDs.
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Old 01-20-2013, 04:49 PM   #20
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I think I will gain, slowly, but gain on the 5:2. At goal my UD is a mere 1500. I'd rather have 3 DDs under 300 and enjoy the heck out of my UDs. I have no idea how much I eat on UDs, but it's more than 1500 most of the time- I think

I should count a few over the next few weeks and see. It would be an interesting experiment, but one that I'd probably find annoying...
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I think the same thing! It is so so so easy for me to gain. OY! I count UDs now and know I'm usually around 1600-1700. I've relied on chocolate to get me up to over 1800 losing this far. Tonight I'm at 1500 and eyeing the chocolate cake I just pulled out of the oven. Hope I can keep it under 250 for the newer (lower) UD cals. LOL!

I am thinking I'll probably have to continue low EOD DDs in order to enjoy UDs more and continue to not feel resentful. I fear low UDs would push me back in to the dreaded upward spiral I'm so good at.
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Flutter, I know you've been frustrated with the scale, but you have been losing really well. Especially with JUDDD, which is a slower way of losing for most people. You actually lost the first 20 or 21 lbs in two months didn't you? That's over 2 lbs a week, so I'm guessing it's natural that you might hit a teeny bit of a stall. Have you considered that you might not be eating enough? I'm no expert but we've all heard about "starvation mode". However you decide to tweak your numbers, I'm sure you will figure it out and start losing like a champ again.
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Just another perspective here. When my losses slowed I left my UDs alone and lowered my DDs from 500ish to around 400-430, and the losses picked up again. I am another one that would rather restrict a little more on DD and have UDs be more satisfying!
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LCG, Flutter rarely eats over 100 calories on DD, so I'm thinking that isn't the problem.
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See, that's the thing, though! My DD calories this week have been 35-70! I really try to keep them very low already and the scale was still where it's been playing for awhile now. I don't want to reduce UD cals if I can get away with it, but have gone down 100 or so in the past few UDs and that's when the scale finally went down a pound. Maybe I'll just try to stick with the lower UD number and do an occassional UD with the higher number. I just want a downward trend and not maintenance this early. I am, however, certainly willing to be more patient with a plan I can actually stick with forever.

Cindy, yea, I know I'm whining & impatient but I am trying to take advantage of the time my mind is completely on plan. LOL! I don't want to start my self sabotage crap. It's easier talking myself through lulls if I believe in what I'm doing. As for undereating, I don't think so! I plug everything I eat in an online calculator. I do sometimes guesstimate on size, though, so will have to get a scale going forward.

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Flutter, I only said that because a few UD's you said you couldn't eat. I doubt that would make a difference if you usually do eat all the UD cals. But NO you are definitely not whining or complaining! I haven't heard you say much at all about not losing, so you deserve it.
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See, that's the thing, though! My DD calories this week have been 35-70! I really try to keep them very low already and the scale was still where it's been playing for awhile now. I don't want to reduce UD cals if I can get away with it, but have gone down 100 or so in the past few UDs and that's when the scale finally went down a pound. Maybe I'll just try to stick with the lower UD number and do an occassional UD with the higher number. I just want a downward trend and not maintenance this early. I am, however, certainly willing to be more patient with a plan I can actually stick with forever.

Cindy, yea, I know I'm whining & impatient but I am trying to take advantage of the time my mind is completely on plan. LOL! I don't want to start my self sabotage crap. It's easier talking myself through lulls if I believe in what I'm doing. As for undereating, I don't think so! I plug everything I eat in an online calculator. I do sometimes guesstimate on size, though, so will have to get a scale going forward.

Thanks for chiming in everyone!
It is so worth getting a food scale (I have the OXO). I was over-estimating the size/weight of things and actually cheating myself substantially! I was way off with stuff like celery, cucumbers and lettuce. I was almost trippling the calories I was attributing these things before I started weighing. I can eat way more than I previously thought for the calories I thought I was eating. I do really low DDs too, but they were even lower than I planned, because of guesstimating.
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Yea, I have a hard time getting all the calories in if I skip breakfast and/or lunch. (which I've done sometimes if I know we'll be eating dinner out) Have no fear, though, I'm a chocoholic so if the calculator says I'm low, I have no problems finding some to bump me up! It's a good thing I plug my foods in the calculator, though, or I'd have been under quite a bit this far. I seem to regain SO quickly once I'm at goal, which is part of why I'm worried about reducing UD numbers. I don't want to get too low that I see the old pattern of getting resentful I can't eat with the family & rebound all the way up again. Maintenance has been my goal. It's why I was so happy to find this plan to begin with!
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Carly, now I CAN see that. If I do anything, I am super strict about making sure my calories are within limits. I definately err on counting MORE calories than less when I'm making a salad, etc. Like the other day, I had a big ole salad plate with mixed greens, 1/2 of a cuke, 1/4 of a red pepper, 1 HB egg & ff ranch dressing. I plugged it in to the calculator and remember thinking, "I really don't think I ate that much, especially since I wasn't really hungry and didn't eat all of it". I left it, though. LOL!

Have I mentioned I really want to get this weight off? (and please God, keep it off this time!)

Maybe I'll brave the tundra today to see if Target has a scale!

ETA: yk, I did this at dinner last night, too. we had rotisserie chicken, mashed sweet potatoes, italian bread & chocolate cake for dessert. I was still hungry at dinner but knew I'd want 1/2 a slice of chocolate cake. I may have indeed been under on the calories I plugged in for dinner. It's hard to always estimate with your hand. LOL! I admit to being reluctant to get a scale thus far, though, b/c my kids always comment on my "not eating" and "eating" days. I have a 9yo little girl and worry about the messages I'm sending her weighing & focusing so much on food.

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