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Old 02-21-2013, 02:44 PM   #121
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Sher, It is a big breakfast with 50 gr of protein within 30 min of waking.

It is used a lot in the paleo circles for resetting Leptin and thus working on balancing the circadian rhythm. If you have been to Mark's Daily Apple, search for "Leptin Reset Experiment starts today - Jack Kruse style page 2". Jack is a neurologist who practices in Nashville, I believe that lost his weight by re-setting his Leptin.
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Old 02-21-2013, 02:51 PM   #122
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thanks Sunday, checking it out !
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:19 PM   #124
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Yep! I wish I could switch back to breakfast, but I am doing so well with the lunch/dinner combo, I feel like it will mess me up to change gears. I don't have sleep issues though. In fact, I seldom can make it past 11:00 pm. I try, but my body says, NO.
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Old 03-18-2013, 08:03 PM   #125
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Thank you so much for the book recommendation of "Brain over Binge". I think I will never see binging in the same light again. It's just been six days not binging, but my thinking is what's really shifted. I'm taking a pause from up day down day for now but may be back if there's more weight to lose when done juicing. Which I think there will. It seemed like it was working well for me for a while there in terms of lifestyle.
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Old 03-19-2013, 05:16 AM   #126
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Thank you so much for the book recommendation of "Brain over Binge". I think I will never see binging in the same light again. It's just been six days not binging, but my thinking is what's really shifted. I'm taking a pause from up day down day for now but may be back if there's more weight to lose when done juicing. Which I think there will. It seemed like it was working well for me for a while there in terms of lifestyle.
Thanks for letting us know that this book is helping you. I have the book but never got into reading it (too many books to read plus I am always thinking that I can not rationalize this binging behavior). Maybe I need to start reading it today as I am struggling with binging big time right now.
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Old 03-19-2013, 10:22 PM   #127
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tobelowcarber, I hope that you read it and that it helps you. Just to recap the ideas that are presented in the book (Brain over Binge, that is), for anyone that this might be of interest to:
- Bingeing is a habit created many times by restrictive dieting, particularly in adolescence, that becomes engrained in your lower "lizard" brain. It is not caused by complicated emotional problems, and it is not necessary to resolve all complicated emotional problems you may have in order to stop bingeing. (Complicated emotional problems, may of course, have contributed to your trying to diet restrictively, and may help perpetuate the bingeing to some extent, and it can never hurt to try resolve them.)
- The binge urge is not your true self, they are messages from your lower brain, that has become used to bingeing and wants to perpetuate it.
- If you can separate your higher brain, which represents your true self, from your lower brain, and just acknowledge your binge related thoughts instead of responding to, reasoning, arguing, pleading or even fighting with them, you can let them pass without struggle. You can recognize these messages are just junk and the result of some faulty wiring that needs to be corrected.
- With time, the urges get less and less as the habit goes away and your lower brain gets used to the new routine.

I identified so much with the author's story and her perspective on conventional therapeutic approaches for binge eating. What worked amazingly for me to "separate" my true self from the lizard brain messages was to just write them down. That way I wasn't responding to them at all, it gave me a time out to do something else, take out my phone, note it down with the time. Then I realized there were just a few categories of messages that lizard brain was sending me about bingeing. That made it so much less threatening. I could just be like, " oh, there's 'might as well just start tomorrow' again, I know that one." I even set up an iPhone app to log whatever binge urge thoughts came up, just to record how the frequency might change. After I started logging / recording them in that fashion, there was virtually no struggle anymore between my true self and the binge urges. I even had a run-in with some chocolate pretzels today where I started eating some because I got too hungry, normally a super "trigger" food for me, and I managed to set myself a limit on how much I was going to eat and then stop, and just note that the lizard was telling me "might as well just keep eating" and that that was just junk.
Anyways, that's getting into too much detail for this thread, but it's a really good book and feel free to message me if you get into it.
I'm also planning to read Gillian Riley's book, "Eating Less" as I hear it's along the same lines. Anybody read that one?
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That is very interesting Lychee, thank you so much for sharing that info, and I'm so glad it is helping you. It seems like the first step you are saying is to acknowledge 'lizard brain' lol. That's so cool and so simple! I am definitely a binger, but haven't binged since starting JUDDD, but still I'm glad to know this info and about that book because you never know when lizard brain might try to make a reappearance! I think I am definitely going to read it.
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Old 03-20-2013, 05:00 AM   #129
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Old 03-20-2013, 03:30 PM   #130
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Lychee, that's REALLY cool!!!

Jon Gabriel talks about the lizard brain in his book, The Gabriel Method.
It's very interesting.
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Old 03-29-2013, 11:27 AM   #131
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I was a fruitarian too and it seemed to trigger binging. If you want fruit just have it on your DD/'s and then eat whatever on UD's. My UD's seem bingish at times.
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Has anyone done the recommendations in Julia Ross' The Diet Cure? I am such a sweet eater - I was going to try it next week. In her older book, she says to cut out wheat, milk and sugar for 7 days and then add them back to see how you do (that's a very small summary!). I am sticking to 3 down days a week just for my RA. I have not lost a pound in 2 months though - I should have lost something for sticking to less than 500 calories in a day for 3 days a week. I am not eating THAT much on the other days. I am not looking for huge numbers but I hate that I am literally stuck where I am. I want to start L-Glutamine and Ptero again but I have been having stomach issues and have an endoscopy scheduled for Monday. Kind of afraid to do anything new until after that (so I stick to eating every cake, cookie and sweet things in sight!)
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Old 12-12-2014, 12:43 AM   #133
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I'm back on the board after a long time away. I saw my old thread and just wanted to pop back in to say thank you so much. The recommendation here to read Brain Over Binge really kickstarted a bit recovery effort on my part from my binge eating disorder. For a while, I tried just eating abundantly to stop the diet thinking which was triggering the bingeing. That helped my brain calm down a lot. Then, I switched from a fruit-based diet to a more starch-based diet (both vegan), and the weight started coming off. Now I'm back here combining a starch-based vegan low fat diet with alternate day fasting to get off the last 10-15 pounds without it taking 5 years. I'm really loving it now! I'm not feeling so crazy anymore, so it's easy now. I actually have been water fasting on down days, or sometimes drinking green tea if it's cold and then just eating my normal, healthy diet on up days, but I feel I can incorporate a bit more bread or white rice, which I'd normally avoid if I were just trying to eat every day and lose weight. I'm pretty much fully recovered from binge eating. Yes, once in a while, I eat too much, but I never eat until it hurts anymore and I can get right back on track. I don't fall in a hole and gain 15 pounds, I might gain 3 and then I correct myself.
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Old 12-12-2014, 04:09 AM   #134
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Glad it is all working out! This has been an interesting read for me as a part time binge eater. Very helpful, thanks for the update.
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Old 12-14-2014, 12:53 AM   #138
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Yes, thank you for the update Lychee and well done.

Can you please say what starch based foods you have used to replace your fruit based diet?

I have read most of the books on the genre including Gillian Riley and Jon Gabriel which I think were excellent. I am about 3/4 of the way through reading Eat Q by Susan Albers which I highly recommend. I have already been using some of her suggestions such as "pause" and have found it very helpful.

I have been eating mostly fruit during the day so would be very interested to hear about your starch based diet that has helped you lose weight.
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Great to see you and I am glad you are doing well
I have noticed a huge difference when I added more starches and healthy grains back to my to my diet a year ago (rice, sweet potatoes, quinoa, millet). While I am not a vegetarian, I do like to throw in 1-2 days a week of low fat vegetarian days that include lots of starches ala the Starch Solution. I struggled the most on LCHF diet.
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That is interesting Tobelowcarber, but I do suspect replacing fruit with starch may not work for me. I tried the potato hack and was one of the only ones that gained weight! I was so disappointed and after reading more of others experience losing weight on the hack I thought I would try it again and I gained weight again. I did it perfectly for quite a while so perhaps starches don't agree with me weight wise.
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WJS: I've been on a McDougall style diet. I eat unrefined starches for the most part, these days mostly potatoes, sweet potatoes and kabocha squash. I eat lots of veggies with the starches. I lost 25 pounds this way in 3-4 months and am just using JUDDD to get the last ten or so pounds off without tinkering around so much. To succeed with weight loss on McDougall, it's important to cut out all oil and animal products, reduce or strictly limit high fat plant foods and eat lots of veggies with the unrefined starches. (Granted, when normal SAD eaters that have never dieted before go on the diet, it's not necessary to be so strict, but middle-aged women that have been tinkering with diets for decades, that's another story. Don't know if that describes you, but I'd been dieting and yoyo-ing for years and years. ) Also, a good tip is to eat a big dish of veggie soup at the start of the meal to avoid overeating.
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Thank you Lychee, I will have a look at the McDougall diet. It is wonderful you have found something that works so well for you.

For me, as I mentioned above I gained weight when I went on the potato hack where almost 100% of others here lost a lot of weight. So not sure how a starch based diet would work for me but I will still have a look.

It got my attention when you said you lost weight when you replaced your fruit based diet because I have been eating only fruit all day during the week until my evening meal when I will have loads of vegetables with some protein. On the weekend I tend not to follow this and allow myself a few treats as well trying hard to overcome my tendency to binge.

By the way, sadly I am over middle age being 55 and yes I have dieted and yo yoed most of my life.
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Sadly to say I awakened the "binge monster" about 8 months into JUDDD. I was and still am a BIG believer that JUDDD is an amazing way of eating but it just didn't work for me.

Coming back from the pits of binging has been very hard and I have put on 20 pounds since last January. If I didn't count every single calorie on my UDs I overate massive amounts of food/calories. I would be so afraid I was going to be hungry the next day on my DD I just stuffed myself on my UDs and ate all day long. The calorie counting became obsessive to the point that it took up hours of my day. Not good and when I was under so much stress last year from family events it became impossible. Then the binging got REALLY out of control and I just knew I had to stop JUDDDing.

JUDDD is wonderful, but just not for this girl anymore!
Thank you for sharing your story! I am a little afraid of what I have done...I can IF really well, but if holiday junk finds its way to my house and no one is looking, I go crazy!!!!! It is truly strange; I think I tell myself that I can make up for this by not eating, but it doesn't work that way because the caloric load is pretty crazy.

On the other hand, I noticed that when I don't have junk around, IF really breaks my cravings, even for caffeine. I can be really good if I don't have the junk anywhere around.

I am hoping that I will be OK with this. I am going to keep going for the time being.
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I started in the middle; I didn't realize this is an older thread. It is good to hear you are doing well, Lychee.

Oh my gosh, where is Sunday????

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